What’s your thoughts on saklas?

[u/kendog301]

What’s your thoughts on the authenticity of the gospel of Judas? It was determined to be written about 150 ad and with the life spans of common biblical people, 159 years as isn’t out of possibility that maybe Judas had some sort of note taker that carried his project after his death or even just copied his original gospel he created before he died. Also what do you think about the being he mentions as saklas the old testament god? In the end do you think that Judas really was Jesus’s most trusted apostle? The only one who completly understood the big picture of his plans?

Let me know what you guys think any input is greatly welcome

[u/nevermetluck]

can’t tell if this is a joke or not, so I’m sorry if i misunderstood - stop wasting your time trying to add to the Bible. Listen to the results of the ecumenical councils and synods and only refer to apocryphal books like that as references that have a lot of decent theology throughout but are ultimately heretical.

[u/kendog301 → u/nevermetluck]

This is no joke. I’m not adding to or taking away from the Bible the pope ft king James did that all on there own and this is a proven fact. I’m guessing you misunderstood the whole discussion I was trying to engage in. I’m not asking if the gospel of Judas should be added to the Bible. I know those are separate texts as is the gospel of Thomas and Enoch. What i am asking is do you think Judas really created a testimony period. And if the Old Testament god he refers to as salkas is some type of metaphor, or is it possible Jesus actually told him something different then what kjv always has. Also when Judas gospel is mentioned it is speculated that he was Jesus closes apostle because he was the only one who understood the big picture and therefore be the only one who would turn him in. I’m asking about thoughts on that theory. And if anyone has any thing to possibly back it up.

I get it bro you’re super puritan super conservative super linear and super close minded. If you don’t have any input in the discussion of possibilities, then why even waste YOUR time trying to chastise?

[u/nevermetluck → u/kendog301]

kendog, I’m not chastising, please don’t mistake my tone for anything negative. just wanted to make sure I understood your question. I am very interested in all of the separate texts! Love me the apostolic fathers. Iraneous even called the gospel of Judas heretical. As for theories about who wrote Judas - it’s potentially the work of a line of Gnostics, maybe Sethians, which i assume you already know of if you’re here discussing. Gnostics love to try to invoke this idea that one can only be in unity with God by knowing “the secret things” (cue meme of a wizard pondering their orb lol) so it would make sense that this writing would claim that only Judas knew the big picture. As for how valid that is, I think the verses John 17:12, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 27:5 become difficult to rectify with Judas’s story. Judas committed suicide promptly after the crucifixion, so I’m not convinced that he himself had anything to do with the writing of this gospel. HOWEVER, I have not read Judas, so I’m following this thread for edification.

[u/kendog301 → u/nevermetluck]

Oh ok my apologies. I read the whole “is this a joke” thing and interpreted it as disrespect. Didn’t ok polycaros pupil call everything blasphemy though? Lol that was like his main shpieal right? yea I could see how the book of Judas could be the work of an gnostic extremest. When you referenced John 17:12 are you saying Jesus is calling Judas the “son of destruction”? Yea that would definitely put a whole in that theory lol. I don’t think he would have used such heavy wording if he was referring to his most trusted apostle. And off hand I can’t really think of any versus that Jesus praises or shows favor to Judas. When I even look back at Jesus’s introduction of Judas it doesn’t come off to me as anything special. But hey I gotta admit the gnostic “hidden knowledge” was something that drew me closer to the scripture. Of course as a young lost boy before I knew gods love I wanted to know his power. And even now I find myself intrigued in things like the seal of Solomon, the language Enoch learned and what possible power it held, the real unknown power of the arc, what type of power a swing from the sword of Eden could weld, does that spear in some museum really have an actual nail from the crucifixion, I still find myself fascinated by the mystic side of it all ya know? I mean my mind naturally has to put 2 and 2 together that if someone divine was to touch a common item, to belive in the divines power is to belive it could possibly rub off on an object turning a simple chalice into an item nothing like we have seen lol. I think I was looking at the Kabbalah the same time I was reading my esv. I know the mystic side of it all could possibly lead astray but that’s only if you let it. No item no matter how powerful can never be as powerful as the one who created it.

[u/cbrooks97]

Skeptics always try to assign the latest possible dates to canonical books and the earliest possible dates to noncanonical books.

Even if Judas was written in the mid 2nd century, that's still well after even the usual dates skeptics assign to the canonical books. It shows almost no connection to anything written in the canonical period but clearly reflects a gnostic philosophy about the physical body that is completely foreign not only to traditional Christianity but also Judaism, so for it to be true, it would mean that Jesus was trying to make an abrupt break from Judaism, which runs completely counter to not only everything canonical but even much noncanonical material.

It shows no more internal evidence of being authentic than any other gnostic work.

In short, it's yet another gnostic fan fiction that tries to usurp Christian tradition to teach their Greek philosophy.

[u/CletusVanDayum]

The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic fan fiction written well after the apostolic era. The early church didn't consider it having apostolic authority. Irenaeus explicitly rejected it as heretical.

Go whine to Bart Erhman.

[u/OutsideSubject3261]

The name saklas does not appear as the name of God in the OT nor does it appear as a god of the earlier recorded civilizations in the Summerian, Eygptian, Assyrian and Babylonian civilizations. Thus one asks where does this god come from if there are no evidences of him/her in other ancient records. If one doubts the historicity of Jesus which has at least 11 none christian sources; how much more should we doubt this saklas. Moreover, there is no substantial information about him/her other than he/she is an over-all spirit; no creative works were ascribed to him/her, no redemptive acts , no wars or battle victories like the drowning of pharoah's army in the red sea, the victory of israel when moses' arms were held high, the colapse of the walls of jericho, the victory of samson as against the philistines, of david v. goliath, the victory of God against the assyrian army before jerusalem, or elijah vs. the prophets of baal, etc, - he is just claim godhood on the basis of one coptic manuscript as a God with more than 15,000 greek and hebrew manuscripts, not counting latin. by the way, this saklas has no record of bringing judgment on the world; no record of causing a local flood which required gathering all the known animals in an ark, or of killing the first borne of eygpt, or causing the death of women and children of the moabites and the amelakites.or promising eternal judgment on the wicked. i think this a case of ancient identity theft. this saklas must really be taking a gamble as againt the God of the Bible.

This God of the Bible is the same God who affirmed the message of Jesus through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And if you do not believe the resurrection because you doubt the NT accounts despite the arguments of the apologists.

How about the fulfilment of the gathering of the state of Israel as a nation? The resurrection of dry bones in Ezekiel. The budding of the olive tree. The gathering of the tribes of Israel. Hebrew has become a living language once again. why was not saklas not able to stop this happening before our eyes? oh saklas where is your sting? oh saklas were are your victories?