r/technology • u/guyoffthegrid • 19h ago
EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force Hardware
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force151
u/Jubjub0527 19h ago
Ok... now can we start regulating the apps and in particular how many of them hide/obscure/shift the close out button for ads,ads which ignore your volume settings or override them completely?
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u/Fun_Balance_7770 19h ago
And all the pre-installed bloatware on full-price flagship android devices...
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u/WhereIsYourMind 11h ago
The android operating system is developed by an internet advertising company, bloatware is part of the design.
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u/joshuadefty 14h ago
Those "x" buttons that are smaller than a pixel and play hide and seek? Pure evil. And don't get me started on ads blasting at 3am when your phone is on silent.
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u/P0RTILLA 13h ago
EU should also standardize electrical receptacles.
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u/fatbob42 7h ago
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic.
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u/P0RTILLA 2h ago
I’m not. It would reduce e-waste. All new installs should have Europlug. Isn’t it more wasteful to buy a receptacle adapter than a USB cord?
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u/made-of-questions 18h ago
To be honest I thought this was already in effect. For the past few years all devices I bought were USBC, no doubt in preparation for the deadline.
And this year I got to a personal milestone on that all the devices I use regularly are USBC powered. I travel regularly and I can't tell you just what a mental load off this is. I recently packed a big box of various chargers and adapters and put it in storage. Now I only need to pack my laptop adapter and it can charge my laptop, phone, mobile battery, headphones and even emergency light. I love it.
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u/TraditionalAppeal23 17h ago
iPhone's were the hold-out. Apple was making too much cash off of $40 lightning cables.
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u/Chrontius 11h ago
And now I probably have close to a thousand bucks (retail pricing) of iphone speakers, docks, and accessories that are somewhere between "less useful" and "e-waste" because of it. There wasn't really a good options, just a more-bad and a less-bad option, and people disagree which is which.
(A kilobuck ain't hard to hit, it might cost $500 just to replace the thermal camera, and I think I'm retiring a $300 pair of headphones for want of a compatible cable! Those JBL docks might have been a hundred fifty bucks each when new, and I can't even imagine what this weird-ass Mutant speaker cost once upon a time. DJ mixer, alarm clocks… what else am I forgetting, and how much did it cost?)
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u/TraditionalAppeal23 11h ago
That sucks, I guess now you have to fully embrace the Apple meme and use an adapter for everything.
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u/Chrontius 11h ago
Some of those adapters were even made, once upon a time. I 'm mostly fucked, now.
OH! I forgot about things like the Gamevise controller ($150); there's no modern equivalent made or adapter possible. Just gotta have to eat the loss of functionality here, since there's no other option.
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u/AlmostCynical 5h ago
Didn’t the adapter meme properly kick off after they switched to all USB-C ports on the laptops?
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u/Tripottanus 4h ago
They arent the only ones. I have a Garmin watch and they use AC plugs instead of USB-C. Not sure if they are forced to switch over or not
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u/razrielle 2h ago
Is it an older one? I got an instinct early last year and have a USB-C cable for it
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u/Jusby_Cause 4h ago
iPhones were the hold-out because Apple said in 2012 that Lightning would be the connector for the next decade, which ended in 2022. In 2023, they shipped the first iPhone without lightning.
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u/sesor33 51m ago
Yeah, im not an apple fanboy but its always funny when people completely ignore this. They also ignore that apple was the first to adopt USB-C with the macbook back in... i think 2015? And I remember people malding so hard about needing an adapter for it and saying that it was "proprietary"
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u/happyscrappy 17h ago
Power tool battery standardization next please.
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u/Pikamander2 8h ago
Yes please. Lowes gave me a free $40 battery for being one of the first customers in line on Black Friday, and I ended up just giving it away because it wasn't compatible with a single tool I owned.
I can understand different classes of tools having different requirements, but the current state of power tool batteries is ridiculous and needs to be given the USB-C treatment.
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u/hamatehllama 2h ago
It would be nice if all 18V and 60V batteries were compatible. Then you could mix and match from different brands instead of being locked into a single ecosystem.
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u/happyscrappy 58m ago
On that second part, Dewalt has a system which allows a single battery to be used as either a "normal" voltage battery or a high voltage one (20V and 60V, although this would be lower Europe due to their standardized voltage measurement schemes) depending on the tool's needs.
https://www.dewalt.com/product/dcb609-2/20v60v-max-flexvolt-9ah-battery-2-pk
I'd love to see something like that standardized on.
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u/tygramynt 19h ago
How does this work for laptops that may draw more power then usbc can provide?
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u/rocketwidget 19h ago
One caveat, laptops are uniquely excluded from the law until 2026.
USB-C can go to 240 Watts, and while the 240W USB-C cables have been around a while, the first actual chargers are only coming to market now. https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/6/24289498/delta-electronics-240w-usb-c-pd-charger-first-adapter
Also note only one USB-C charging port is required, but multiple charging ports of any type are allowed.
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u/ChangeMyDespair 18h ago
Cool! So MacBooks, that already can charge with USB-C, can keep their MagSafe ports.
Good to know.
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u/rocketwidget 18h ago
Correct. It's true for any device, but smaller devices like phones usually have 1 port; laptops tend to have many.
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u/smallproton 19h ago
Also note only one USB-C charging port is required, but multiple charging ports of any type are allowed.
Yes!
All these whiners who go like "this is preventing invention" listen up: You CAN add all the ports you like. But you MUST provide USB-C charging.Easy, no?
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u/Joezev98 17h ago
Also the law allows for innovation. It doesn't require usb c indefinitely, just a common port across the board. Right now, that common port is usb c.
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u/Watchjackgame 15h ago
Yeah let’s just get every single company to agree on a new port and pass legislation so it can be implemented that won’t stifle innovation at all 👍
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u/punIn10ded 14h ago
Nope it just needs to be the port specified by the USB standards body. That's it.
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u/Clean_Livlng 14h ago
I wonder if a low watt USB-C charger can eventually charge a laptop, so in a pinch you could use your phone charger to charge your laptop.
Seems like it can from that reddit post, which is great. It means that while a low watt USB cable can;t provide 100% of the power while running, it can extend the time before it runs out of battery, and gradually recharge it afterwards.
I'll take that over: "lost your charger? Guess you won't get to use your laptop for the number of days it takes to get a new one"
You can also use a high watt charger for your phone (a quick google says this is safe as it should limit the watts supplied to what the phone needs). Is this correct? info on google can sometimes be incorrect, and it's good to check with actual reddit humans, especially when it come to safety/electricity.
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u/rocketwidget 14h ago
To your questions: Yes, for example, my laptop came with a USB-C 65 Watt charger but charges with my 20 Watt charger just fine (only slower, with a dialog warning).
Yes, you can use a higher watt USB-C charger than your phone supports. The charger and phone will communicate and figure out the fastest charging rate they both support.
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u/oPFB37WGZ2VNk3Vj 14h ago
I charged my MacBook with my iPhone Charger overnight when I forgot the Mac charger so it’s definitely possible.
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u/nicuramar 8h ago
You can also use a high watt charger for your phone (a quick google says this is safe as it should limit the watts supplied to what the phone needs). Is this correct?
Of course. Otherwise the laptop would fry when the battery is full and it stops charging. Power draw is always controlled by the device, and this isn’t unique to USB.
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u/Sweevo1979 8h ago
It's one of the best things about usb charging. I used to have to carry three different chargers for work (iPhone work, Android home, weird dell pogo for the laptop) - now I just take a single 120w usb charger with three USB-C ports and a USB-A port and can run/charge all three and charge my buds while I'm there.
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u/XDGrangerDX 8h ago
Perfectly safe to use a high power charger for your phone. Just kinda scary the first time you do it cause turns out your phone can handle a lot faster charging than the supplied cable can. So suddenly your phones charged in 10 minutes and hot to the touch lmao.
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u/HydrationPlease 19h ago
USB C is at 240W right now. With a year more to hit 300W, it's more than doable. I've seen prototypes for 320W, 340W and 360W cables. They're waiting to release those.
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u/Lordnerble 19h ago
USBc/TB PD standards since 2021 support 48v/240w charging now. My mid range gaming laptop uses 240w. I think we'll be fine. plus laptop manufactures have till 2026 to comply and most already do in some way or another(may not come with a charger, but they already support usbc charging.)
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u/TraditionalAppeal23 17h ago
They can switch to a new port if needed, but it has to be agreed upon by device manufacturers at the USB implementers forum. The law doesn't force USB-C only, just that the manufacturers agree to one standard. But USB-C is a highly extensible standard, and can supply 240W as other have said.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 16h ago
I don't see the physical port or power delivery standard changing for a long time. Just updates to the established standards , the data transfer speeds are already way beyond what most devices can take advantage of and power delivery standard can be updated independently, it will probably be over 300w within the year and for 99% of devices it's already wayy beyond overkill, they last 1% can just add a 2nd type of charging port that properly charged it at a decent speed.
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u/fatbob42 7h ago
I don’t think this is correct - the commission has a board that is supposed to reevaluate if the enforced port should change. It isn’t changed by some consortium.
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u/Broccoli--Enthusiast 16h ago
They will have a usb c capable charging port but charge power and reduce performance
Remember, the law only says it must have one usb c power delivery compatible port, not that it can't have multiple different charge connectors.
We have lenovo cad laptops at work, they comes with a 300w brick with lenovos connector but if you plug a charger into the usb c port, it just tells you it's a weak charger and will affect charging speed and device performance
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u/Tripottanus 4h ago
My work laptop has a double USB-C plug on models that have higher performance (i.e. that require more juice). I dont know if the fact its a double plug goes against the ruling or not though
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u/AnInfiniteArc 18h ago edited 9h ago
It never occurred to me that laptops could draw more than the standard USB-C, especially since my most recent laptop only has a USB-C charge port. It makes sense though.
Edit: What did I do wrong? I’m sorry that I wasn’t intimately familiar with the USB-C spec…
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u/Bruggenmeister 8h ago
Now regulate all EV chargers be retrofitted with normal debit card readers. I don’t need 14 apps and 7 cards in my wallet.
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u/FrazzledHack 6h ago
Your wish shall be granted:
https://www.theverge.com/23806690/eu-ev-fast-charger-60km-law-regulation-requirements
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u/Bruggenmeister 5h ago
Thats only new fast chargers.
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u/FrazzledHack 4h ago
There's no pleasing some people. :-)
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u/Bruggenmeister 3h ago
Its been 150 years of paying for fuel at a pump with money should have stayed the same.
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u/Bob_Spud 19h ago
It would e nice if everybody in the world used the same mains plugs as well ... another waste saver. Some like the IEC 60320 C15/C16 (similar to the desktop computer plug), its compact
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u/fatbob42 7h ago
What waste would it save?
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u/Artizela 4h ago
A ton of adapters, of course. Keep in mind we’re not just talking about removable adapters—almost every (internationally-sold) device plug in countries that aren’t using the US/EU standards is really just a US/EU plug with an adapter built in, which makes them both wasteful and unnecessarily bulky.
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u/Meatslinger 16h ago edited 14h ago
Now let’s just hope USB-C can be shored up enough to survive regular use. I’ve been managing enough USB-C powered devices over the past few years now to have honestly lost faith in the connector type; my company has literally sent in HUNDREDS of Chromebooks for repairs because their USB-C ports get damaged, sometimes even resulting in fires. Usually, the little “wafer” in the middle of the port is the problem, as it endures a high amount of wiggling and torsion due to cables with loose tolerances.
Edit: spelling.
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u/ianlulz 15h ago
Yeah this isn’t really a win, despite the benefits of consistency. Doesn’t this effectively lock out any potentially better ports from coming in the future? Do we really want to be married to USB-C forever?
The Lightning port is already superior to USBC in reliability, minus its issues with fuzz. It’s a shame Apple didn’t open source it to properly compete with USBC before it became ubiquitous.
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u/hextree 9h ago
Doesn’t this effectively lock out any potentially better ports from coming in the future?
Manufacturers can add any other port they want to the phone.
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u/Meatslinger 14h ago
I definitely agree. I'm yet to actually break the connector or port itself for a Lightning connector (cable quality is usually the point of failure, there), but I have several USB-C peripherals with intermittently-functional ports, i.e. you have to plug them in and then hold them at just the right angle to make them work. Going forward, even if it's nice that people can buy a $30 charger instead of a $40 charger and know that it should work between most of their devices - note there's still no real consistency here either, because it could be USB 2, 3, 3.1, 3.2 Gen 1/2/2x2, or any of those with or without Power Delivery - if the connector is more prone to breakage, people are still going to be shelling out a chunk of cash to Apple/Samsung/HTC/Huawei to get the entire device swapped for a refurb when their port gets tweaked slightly too hard to one side and breaks the precious, delicate wafer in the middle of the socket, exactly as I've seen on so many Chromebooks now, as well as a few higher-ticket Lenovo and HP laptops that we buy. As a company we can just call that the cost of doing business, but this is a disservice to the average consumer that has less money at hand for unexpected repairs, not to mention time spent without a device that is likely indispensable to their daily needs.
I'd have preferred stronger legislative efforts towards the right-to-repair, so that it wouldn't matter what kind of port your phone has; vendors would be obligated to make sure parts are available and that you can install them yourself with a little know-how, or that you could go to a number of ordinary, unspecialized repair shops to have it done, instead of just those "in network" for a company, e.g. Apple Authorized Service Providers. Instead now, if USB-C keeps being as breakable as I've seen it to be, it just means everyone suffers equally with it.
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u/FuckKarmeWhores 11h ago
EU putting an end to innovation like the USB2 lighting cable from Apple that haven't changed in 12 years! /s
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u/nemesit 11h ago
Apple also made usb-c ;-p, they didn't use it on their iphones, ipads etc because after idiots complained when they transitioned away from 30-pin that they wouldn't change it again for a looong time
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u/kbelicius 5h ago
Do you mean that they have made devices with usb-c? They certainly did not make usb-c.
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u/AlmostCynical 4h ago
In fairness, Apple is part of the group that developed it and was one of the first large companies to adopt it in their laptops.
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u/Jusby_Cause 3h ago
Yeah, vendors wouldn’t have felt comfortable spending money and materials producing, and no one would have felt comfortable buying, ALL the new lightning products if they felt their investment wouldn’t be good for awhile.
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u/d3jake 3h ago
Do they regulate how the USB standard is adopted on that port? A friend recently tried to charge his iPhone off of a USB A to C cable and it did nothing. I'm reasonably sure it was a USB 3.0 or better cable too. It makes me wonder if they adopted the port but made ducky choices with adopting the USB specs.
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u/Treetokerz 1h ago
Usb-c sucks ass as a connector. Too loose. The connector should snap in and be tight, usb-c gets loose too quickly and is just a horrible connector. Does the law allow for upgrade?
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u/almo2001 1h ago
I don't like this. What if they had done this when usb micro was the usb standard? Those plugs are garbage.
I think we're lucky USB C is as good as it is.
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u/gogoluke 59m ago
You don't like it as they didn't use the connection you don't like?
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u/almo2001 39m ago
No I'm saying that usb micro was objectively bad. I worked in mobile video games and the QA phones with micro plugs had tons of problems with their ports while the Apple ones didn't.
USB C is a far better design, so it's ok. But we got lucky; if the EU had done this before C existed, it probably would have been usb mini or micro both of which were bad designs.
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u/dssurge 10m ago
Going from standard to standard is much less problematic than forcing unification to a current standard, which is where we are now. The hard part is over.
If micro usb was selected as a standard 15 years ago, it doesn't prevent USB C from being developed as a successor, it simply ensures the next plug will also be standardized.
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u/GTor93 19h ago
The nerve! Interfering with right of the private sector rip us all off.
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u/TransientAlienSheep 17h ago
I applaud you for not using the /s for what is an obvious joke. You sure did take a hit for it though lol.
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u/M0therN4ture 9h ago
Apple on suicide watch.
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u/nicuramar 8h ago
Even though all their popular devices use USB C.
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u/M0therN4ture 8h ago
Only after throwing a temper tantrum for years and billions of dollars spend to lobby the opposite.
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u/AlmostCynical 4h ago
The 2015 MacBooks were literally some of the first devices to have USB-C. And if you don’t remember, people at the time threw a fit about needing adaptors for all of their existing cables.
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u/xmowx 19h ago
I bet that's probably why Apple finally dropped their stupid lightning connector.
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u/CarlosFer2201 18h ago
Probably? Definitely. They loved having proprietary stuff they can control.
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u/AlmostCynical 4h ago
I don’t know about that. Apple released laptops with only USB-C ports a year after the standard released and supported it on all of the high end iPads and switched to USB-C (at the plug) charging cables years ago. I imagine it was in the works for a while, but they didn’t want to switch all of the devices too soon after ditching 30-pin connectors (lightning released before USB-C existed) or for some other nebulous technical reason. Regulation might have sped up the process, but I believe it was always going to happen at some point.
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u/shinra528 19h ago
Kinda. There was a similar, narrower regulation that went into effect right around when Apple switched.
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u/JustCope17 6h ago
Now they should do this with electric vehicles and charging stations.
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u/kbelicius 5h ago
They did? I don't know of any charging station that is not able to charge any EV currently sold in EU.
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u/JustCope17 4h ago
Looks like I’m wrong. Guess I was under impression they have diff ones because I drove a Tesla for first time last week in Portugal and saw there are diff types of plugs/connectors, but I see that must be for diff AC/DC charger. So that’s good.
Problem then was just still the few chargers like someplace in Portugal. At one point we were at a gas station with two slow electric rechargers. Both occupied. A guy said he’d be there another hour or so charging. So we wait along side for the other spot to open. Then another electric car comes in saying they only have 1% left. So the first guy lets them recharge a bit so they can move onto next place. We eventually drove another 15 minutes away to find another charger that was free. As of right now I can see them being useful in for daily commutes/city driving, but we took it for a road trip and there wasn’t enough charger stations yet to alleviate waiting times in popular places. But I guess there will be plenty in another decade.
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u/P0RTILLA 13h ago
Meanwhile the EU has 4 different electrical receptacle types.
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u/gameleon 9h ago edited 9h ago
Easier to update the standards on devices than to change the standards on millions of buildings.
While unified sockets are still far away, It’s a bit better on the plug side of things, though.
A few decades ago they managed to design a plug that unifies most ungrounded electrical connections in Europe (europlug) and managed to make a universal grounded plug unifying connections to the E and F sockets (blue and green on the linked map).
Ireland (and other G plug countries) being the major exception within the EU, with the G plug not having any kind of unification yet.
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u/phr0ze 4h ago
They just need to mandate new buildings/new improvements to use the new type. Just like they dont make companies retrofit old phones, they can leave old buildings alone.
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u/P0RTILLA 2h ago
Agreed, the EU will never do this because they can’t put the onus on a foreign entity.
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u/gameleon 1h ago
Possible. Most countries just didn’t want to have two power standards for a looong time.
Building wiring doesn’t get replaced as often as phones etc. Sometimes it takes decades. Depending how different the universal plug is, it could mean cables need to come with two plugs or some buildings would be stuck with adapters for a while.
Phones have the same issues when plugs change, but phones get replaced faster/cheaper and phone connectivity is considered less of a basic need than electricity. Hence why more countries opted for more semi-universal plugs rather than universal sockets.
Italy is in the process of changing sockets, though (moving from type L to type F), so it’s not impossible.
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u/Buttercup4869 8h ago
The Italian ones are disappearing and Green and Blue are compatible.
All of them can use 2 prong Europlug
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u/Vast-Charge-4256 7h ago
Except UK/Irish....
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u/Buttercup4869 7h ago
I have to admit that I forgot that the Irish went along with the Brits, so they are the most ones out in the EU
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u/FriendlyDespot 9h ago
The EU has largely standardised on the Europlug for applications up to 2.5A at 230V, which displaced a lot of other national plug standards. All EU countries are either Europlug or Europlug-compatible (types E, F, and K.)
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u/Chrontius 11h ago
Because the transition costs would suck. Still probably worthwhile in the long term, but we'd be best waiting for opportunities where we could offset the cost somehow.
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u/Playardelcarmen 12h ago
Byeeeeeeee byeeeeeee innovation! A slippery slope the EU is on.
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u/GodlessPerson 10h ago
I remember when I kept a drawer of all the different phone chargers used around the house. When buying a new model from the same brand meant buying a whole new charger. When a charger got defective, you couldn't just use another that you had, you had to buy one specific to that device. When buying a device also meant figuring out the charging port so I wouldn't have to change the setup around my house. When the charging port was exactly the same dimensions but the phone didn't charge for some reason or charged too slowly so I couldn't use it while charging. And when you had a slightly older phone so you couldn't find any charger that fit and even the multi device chargers didn't have your particular brand/model. When you had to travel, you had to bring 3/4 different chargers for all the devices.
When I bought a Lenovo laptop and my cat bit the charging wire 3 years later, I found out lenovo no longer sold that specific charger and none of the multi device chargers I could find had the proper voltage and wattage so I had to order from some key mash company from china on amazon that magically stopped existing a year later. Thankfully the charger worked.
I'm happy to leave that "innovation" behind.
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u/TraditionalAppeal23 9h ago
USB-C is highly extensible and you can add new functionality to it. If they want to change to a new port they can, just needs to be agreed upon by other device manufacturers, it's not USB-C forever. And nothing stops them from adding any port they want even if not agreed upon, they just need to add USB-C too, many laptops do this nowadays with a USB-C and an old barrel connector both for charging and thats totally fine.
Having an open standard also improves innovation for accessory manufacturers. Before this you would need approval from Apple to make anything that plugs into the lightening port, now anyone can do it.
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u/1wiseguy 15h ago
I don't think it should be the role of the government to decide what kind of interface a phone should have. Technology has done really well so far without any central authority defining the details.
If I want a phone with a USB-C interface (or any other feature), I can choose that from the various products that are available.
Should we also define a standard operating system and battery size?
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u/arahman81 15h ago
Phones stopped having their own adapters and switched to MicroUSB because of a previous regulation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_external_power_supply
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u/GodlessPerson 10h ago
Not really a regulation. Just a suggestion. Compliance was voluntary.
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u/FriendlyDespot 9h ago
"Voluntary" insofar as the EU said "figure it out as an industry or a common standard will be imposed on you." They couldn't figure it out as an industry, so USB-C was imposed.
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u/fatbob42 7h ago
Can you imagine if they’d enforced uniformity a little earlier and we’d ended up with fucking micro-USB?
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u/GodlessPerson 5h ago
No, some companies signed a memorandum of understanding and only those companies actually had to do anything. When the memorandum expireda few companies voluntarily re-signed it.
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u/veganzombeh 6h ago
Do headphone jacks next please.
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u/GodlessPerson 2h ago
Usb c allows audio throughput. There are several adapters. Hopefully this new standardization also improves compatibility with those adapters.
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u/Playardelcarmen 12h ago
Where are all these fines going the EU is giving to big tech? I have yet to see a refund of anything.
Anybody who thinks all this regulation is actually good for the people living in the EU should really think a bit harder.
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u/TraditionalAppeal23 9h ago
In Europe typically fines like that are used to pay for 5g nanobots for self-spreading vaccines from what I've read on info wars
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u/Ok-Beginning-2210 5h ago
Won't companies just simply not sell to the EU?
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u/Daedelous2k 3h ago
Shareholders demand money so they will comply, it's a time when you'll see this sub cheer for shareholders.
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u/Shingle-Denatured 4h ago
Solving the wrong problem yet again. Problem to solve is the right to repair.
USB-C is the most fragile plug I've dealt with. Typed from a laptop with 3/4 USB-C slots broken, most likely through particle build up, but to verify that would require opening it, requiring special tools.
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u/Common-Ad6470 18h ago
So....what happens to all the new items already in shops that are still lightning connectors, do they get trashed Thursday?
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u/guyoffthegrid 19h ago
TL;DR:
EU rules requiring all new smartphones, tablets and cameras to use the same charger came into force on Saturday, in a change Brussels said will cut costs and waste.
Manufacturers are now obliged to fit devices sold in the 27-nation bloc with a USB-C, the port chosen by the European Union as the common standard for charging electronic tools.
The law was first approved in 2022 following a tussle with US tech giant Apple. It allowed companies until December 28 this year to adapt.
Makers of laptops will have extra time, from early 2026, to also follow suit.