I believe this covers section 215, which is the big one for bulk data collection. There's lots of problems with the Patriot Act, but I believe that's the first big one that everyone sort of agrees needs fixing.
So, while it might only be 2%, it's a pretty significant 2%.
Bulk data is also the portion the NSA didn't want anymore, so I don't think we can treat this as a real victory. It's good that it's gone, but i doesn't seem anyone was really fighting to keep it.
Sad thing is they really were only attacking a political face of bigger picture. Its kinda like a major saying he won't sleep until every foster child has a warm bed to sleep in at night. He stays up for 18 hours while the city council come up with some new bill for 'bed for kids' and at the has the news cover it the whole time. All the while the public is completely on board with petitions and rallies, calling local officials and holding donation drives.
The campaign goes well, the kids sleep happily on there beds, and the major gets to say he won the fight. All is saved.
Or not.
Unknown to the average person, it was already a law that a foster home is required to provide each child with a bed of their own before they can accept a child into there care.
That is pretty much what these three did. There are so many extremely tedious check and bounds that closely regulate and oversee the NSA collection it is near impossible for the Americans to have there data looked at even if they are known terrorist and are active threat to the country.
These guys just won a political campaign to make themselves look good while not making any real change and preventing other business to be conducted.
TL;DR- These three just made themselves look good without doing anything productive or useful.
You say this but have you actually read any of the patriot act or the bill pass along with it? Really what was the last political act that was fully read through and understood in its entirety?
You say this but have you actually read any of the patriot act or the bill pass along with it?
Have I read the entire bill? Of course not. Have I read the parts being discussed? Yuuup..
They're really really bad. Scary bad.
Really what was the last political act that was fully read through and understood in its entirety?
I understand its purpose, I don't need to read the entire thing. In fact, I only need to read the parts being discussed to know it's garbage.
Anytime the government usurps constitutional power and restricts the rights of its citizenry its bad news in my opinion.
Edit: Take Hillarycare for example. I don't need to read all 800 pages or whatever it is to oppose it.
It has a mandate, that's what I oppose.
You want to regulate the insurance industry and make it better for the citizens to purchase higher quality plans cheaper, cool. Fuck the insurance industry.
But....wait, now you want to force us to be clients of their rather than providing a public option or allowing us to choose Medicare(which I already pay for against my will) and enrich them even more?
Fuuuuck no.
How does Hillarycare lower the cost of an mri? It doesn't. It just dilutes the cost among the entire nation.
Its going to cause the price of care to increase, just like education has.
But the parts not being discussed are the parts that outline the authorities that regulate the usage and by whom the data is used by. The bill out lines procedures that make it hard for the NSA to even collect data on know dangers outside of the country without there being an audit by third party officials.
It may not be the best thing in the world, but just like telling a kid what that can and can't do, the NSA is going to find an even more clever way of wording the bill to replace it.
Of course they're going to continue to try to usurp power, that's their job after all.
We must remain diligent and continue to defend our freedoms at every turn.
That's how this battle will be won, by them.
People like you will out number people like me and they'll get away with it. Why bother anyway right? They aren't bothering me. Go sports team!
America is just like every other regime. We are bombarded by propaganda at every turn. Led a straw and distracted constantly.
Its an impossible task to keep enough people aware and too care. Especially when they already feel hopeless as it is.
No politicians are on their side anyway so as long as they're left alone, the powers that be can do as they wish.
The problem comes when that day arrives where those people are now effected and they can't go watch their favorite sports team and pound down their alcohol to numb it all.
America, unfortunately, is in for a very rude awakening very very soon. I don't know where it will come from, what it'll be or what will happen but nothing lasts forever.
I mean, if we didn't have the military might that we do, we wouldn't even exist right now. The entire reason America is even in competition is because we invested so much money into our bombs when everyone else was rebuilding their nations.
I mean, after the wars, every place on the planet was rebuilding pretty much. We just kept on as if the war was still going on. We've never stopped since ww2. We won the war and then proceeded to put our own boot on the throats of the world but it's ok because "we're the good guys".
Implying the laws apply to the secret police in America.
They're still going to illegally spy on every single American, and keep files like their Communist handlers require them to. They're just going to get more secretive about it.
I don't know for sure one way or the other about the "size" that expired (and how do you quantify that anyway) but Wikileaks needs someone to fight. Keep that in mind.
Not all of the Patriot Act is bad, for example, the Patriot Act streamlines the ability for intelligence agencies to be able to communicate with each other and share intelligence. That means that there doesn't need to be as much redundant data between the agencies. You don't have 3 different agencies all working on the same problem without telling each other about it.
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