r/neoliberal NATO Nov 17 '24

Pollster Ann Selzer ending election polling, moving 'to other ventures and opportunities' News (US)

https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/11/17/ann-selzer-conducts-iowa-poll-ending-election-polling-moving-to-other-opportunities/76334909007/
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u/Khiva Nov 17 '24

Trump is more extreme than every far right party in Europe

This is a shallow, basic, misinformed a take as "Bernie would be center right in Europe."

Hungary is a blueprint because Hungary is already Hungary.

And even then, Jesus, Golden Dawn. End of story.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '24

Golden Dawn was literally convicted as a criminal organization, banned, and its leaders are sitting in prison right now.

Trump's rhetoric is significantly more extreme than that of Orban and Fidesz. 

 This is a shallow, basic, misinformed a take as "Bernie would be center right in Europe."

The american electorate is objectively, undisputably extreme far right in Europe given over 50% voted for an extreme far right fascist. 

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u/Khiva Nov 18 '24

Golden Dawn was literally convicted as a criminal organization

Not even this is right. One of their traditional members was in the European Parliament until June, the party lost vote share and while it was described as such in a court case, it was never banned from standing. In any case, most of their membership has migrated to the Spartan party so the animus is alive and well.

On rhetoric, though - Trump says so much insane things that are nearly impossible to parse that, sure, fine, I don't have the willpower to even get into that. There is no politician firing off more nonsense per minute, and the US could certainly wind up far more worse off than Hungary, Turkey or god knows any other place.

I can't even begin to tell you what Trump means. I don't even think he can.

I can tell you what I'm afraid it means all day, and yes the most uncharitable take (and when has he deserved charity) is blood-curdling.