State papers: IRA and Sinn Féin leaders were ‘paralysed’ by 2003 Stakeknife revelations

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u/Redzer21 1d ago

There's currently an excellent podcast on this from Mark Horgan called Cover.

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u/NegativeViolinist412 1d ago

For those too lazy to search https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kbm842?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

It wasn't a shock that there was a high ranking mole. The only thing was exactly who it was wasn't known.

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u/Basic_Reason9169 20h ago

Currently listening. I know lot of people in it so it’s very well researched. Very like the George Gibney one

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u/johnbonjovial 10h ago

George gibney one was another great podcast.

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u/caisdara 1d ago

The documents also highlight how the revelation sparked widespread conspiracy theories within the republican movement, with allegations that Stakeknife had been used to eliminate opponents of the peace process.

Interesting to know they believe that to be the case as well.

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u/johnbonjovial 1d ago

I mean its not exactly beyond the realms of possibility ? I read a book can’t remember the name, that portrayed adams as someone who got a lot of ira members killed so he could shift the organisation torwards peace.

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u/DaKrimsonBarun 1d ago

The Secret Army by Ed Moloney

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u/johnbonjovial 22h ago

Thats the one.

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u/OperationMonopoly 14h ago

Read a book on the SAS, in Northern Ireland, said the same.

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u/johnbonjovial 10h ago

Yeh its a fascinating and bloody conflict.

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u/caisdara 1d ago

It's not, but it's a frightening idea.

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u/bingybong22 23h ago

These people are all criminal psychopaths. Murderers, perverts, gangsters. This sort of human vermin often, paradoxically view themselves as honourable . So they’ll have been outraged that one of their fellow scumbags was actually ratting them out.

The fact that he was a murderer, an extortionist,a torturer etc was no worries. But that he might be a grass. Heaven forbid!

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u/Fantastic-String5820 23h ago

You think everyone who fought the british are vermin? When are you moving there?

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u/Basic-Negotiation-16 17h ago

Thats mad,everyone else knows theyre just ordinary people caught up in a war

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u/johnbonjovial 10h ago

I agree in part - but the thing that gets me is that the british state is just as bad. Kincora, mountbatten jimmy saville. Absolute pedo state.

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u/rossitheking 1d ago

Yourself and OP never miss an anti SF post. Bless ye.

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u/Terrible_Way1091 1d ago

The irony.

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u/Feynization 22h ago

Would you prefer if everyone thought the same way you did?

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u/caisdara 1d ago

What's anti-SF about that?

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u/Vivid_Ice_2755 1d ago

The Stakeknife story was released the day before the findings of the Stevens inquiry into collusion were published.

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u/johnbonjovial 10h ago

Yeh some strategic timing for the brits to (again) throw one of their agents under the bus.

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u/Character_Common8881 1d ago

Interesting stuff. Watching say nothing that touches on similar elements.

Really brings home the barbarity of both the IRA and UK government.

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u/johnbonjovial 1d ago

For sure. There’s a good podcast called no filter with trisha devlin where she interviews marty mcgartland who wrote 50 dead men walking. He basically says he was groomed by uk intel into joining the ira even though he hated them. Then when they were finished with him they were prepared to watch him get tortured and murdered so they could use that info to flip someone else. Utterly ruthless.

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u/An_Sealgaire 22h ago

Cases like this and how Gilmour was treated by MI5 later in life bring this quote to mind.

The betrayer of military secrets is a pariah, despised by every man and every nation. Even the enemy whom he serves has no respect for him, but merely uses him. Any nation which is not uncompromisingly unanimous in its condemnation of this type of treachery is undermining the very foundations of its own state, whatever its form of government may be.

Admiral Karl Dönitz

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u/johnbonjovial 19h ago

Jeez thats harsh. I think people like assange do us a service.

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u/Lyca0n 21h ago

Difference being you expect this from paramilitary insurgents at the time. You don't from those on the payroll of what was one of the most influential nations in the western world

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u/johnbonjovial 10h ago

Exactly.

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u/Jacksonriverboy 1d ago

This sub is becoming an aggregator tool for media outlets. Lol

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u/DeadlyBuz 1d ago

…what do you think Reddit is?

“Reddit is an American social news aggregation, content rating, and forum social network.”

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u/The-Florentine . 1d ago

It's in the name too.

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u/ft-rj 1d ago

Sure I never read it

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u/appletart 1d ago

It can't be just cliffs and chicken rolls!

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u/YurtleAhern 1d ago

And spice bags. Don’t forget the spice bags.

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u/appletart 1d ago

Indeed! I've never had a spice bag an only once had a fillet roll so sometimes I think this sub isn't for me! 😂

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u/caisdara 1d ago

That's what reddit initially was. The whole point was to allow for multiple sources, commentary, etc.

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u/Important_Farmer924 Westmeath's Least Finest 1d ago

A good chunk of users would like this sub to look like a local Facebook page or WhatsApp group chat.

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u/caisdara 1d ago

I think the level of discourse has sunk below that.

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u/Important_Farmer924 Westmeath's Least Finest 1d ago

As someone else said; Facebook users who think they're too good for Facebook.

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u/dustaz 1d ago

You get used to reading rubbish from people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about on threads here but It really says something about the quality of commentary on this sub when people literally don't know what the platform is

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u/Important_Farmer924 Westmeath's Least Finest 1d ago

Have you looked at any other national subreddits?

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u/Jester-252 1d ago

I mean that is the purpose of Reddit.

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