you talked about wisconsin. wisconsin has diploma privileges. diploma privileges have existed in WI since the 1800s. i hope you can see why comparing "before or after the change" is dumb since the "before the change" would mean going back to the 1869 and drawing conclusions about modern day lawyers.
I edited my comment, please refer to that. I didn’t know when the privilege started so i agree that the before after thing is dumb. But again, see my comment above.
i gotta ask but you said "data either for or against removing the bar would affect my opinion" so then what datapoint are you using to reach the conclusion that the bar exam produces more competency and, by extension, its removal would result in worst off lawyers in your prev comments? like, to be a stalwart for the bar exam has to come from something, right? youve brought up lack of sufficient data for the alt method so im curious where your pro-bar exam stance comes from. you have a belief that has no data to back it up and when it changes youre complaining that there is no data to support the change, which is made all the more ironic given the sub youre commenting up and down on. you clearly have no problem with a lack of data convincing you so why complain now?
So if that is the case then there should be around 150 years worth of court documentation showing when lawyers were hit with deficient performance.
Compare that to the national average. It’s not hard, tedious, but not hard.
I’m just saying that this could make a good argument either for/or against.
But i know, very few people actually want to find out the truth, they are only interested if it supports their pre-formed conclusions.
couldnt you do the research and "find out the truth" since you are the one with the hangup about bar exam removal?.. shouldnt the onus be on you since you made the inital statement in this comment chain?
so then what data are you pulling from when you made your first comment in keeping the bar exam? what data supports your claims?...
at least the WA SC cited their sources in their documents when they said:
data indicates that the bar exam is at best minimally effective for ensuring competent lawyers. Among the deficiencies and common complaints about the bar exam is that it bears little resemblance to actual practice and tends to simply restate the same results already provided by law school grades
edit: blocked for asking him to give me his sources lol. "are only interested if it supports their pre-formed conclusions" indeed
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u/Background-Baby-2870 May 16 '24
thats not a good metric. for 1, diploma privilege became a thing in WI in the 1800s.