r/gunpolitics • u/6oly9od • Jun 14 '22
Mitch McConnell says he will likely vote for gun safety bill News
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3523145-mcconnell-says-he-will-likely-vote-for-gun-safety-bill/
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Tuesday announced he supports a bipartisan framework on gun safety and will likely vote for legislation that reflects it.
“For myself, I’m comfortable with the framework and if the legislation ends up reflecting what the framework indicates, I’ll be supportive,” McConnell told reporters after the weekly Senate GOP conference lunch.
McConnell is the 11th Republican to signal support for the bipartisan framework, meaning that legislation based on its principles will likely have enough votes to overcome a filibuster.
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u/alienvalentine Jun 14 '22
"There are only two (major) parties today: The Stupid Party and The Evil Party. Once in a while the two parties get together to do something that is both stupid and evil, and that's called Bipartisanship."
Tom Woods
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u/AccountThatNeverLies Jun 14 '22
If there's one thing libertarians are great at is standup comedy
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u/Ok-Refrigerator9272 Jun 15 '22
Well that and calling out peoples bullshit, sure as hell ain't running campaigns and actually getting elected. And I say this as someone who generally, when I vote anyway, support libertarians, the party is a joke, but so are the dems and gop. At least libertarians have a sense of humor and call out bullshit, whoever is spewing it.
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u/fope_as_duck Jun 15 '22
I'm hoping that turns around after the Mises party takeover
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u/Ok-Refrigerator9272 Jun 15 '22
I'm with ya bud,
Mises a change a brewing in the LP
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u/THEDarkSpartian Jun 15 '22
I hope this is right, but im worried about a GOP MKII where it's all good talk until it comes time to vote and they just accidentally go completely against their principles.
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u/AccountThatNeverLies Jun 15 '22
Yeah that's what I meant right?
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u/Ok-Refrigerator9272 Jun 15 '22
I thought so, personally. Idk why the downvotes, I upvoted your comment. I got the snide humor in your comment
Kind of our point right? Humor is lost too often
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u/nukey18mon Jun 14 '22
Gun control. Call it what it is.
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u/AlecTheMotorGuy Jun 14 '22
Civilian disarmament
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 14 '22
Exactly. Call it what it really is.
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u/Themiamitypewriterco Jun 15 '22
The “make sure we disarm the-soon-to-be-angry mob of constituents” bill
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u/JoshGooch Jun 15 '22
DID THEY FIGURE OUT LEFTISTS HAVE GUNS?
Damnit.
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u/Graysect Jun 15 '22
It's a class war. Auth politicians and the rest of us. Always has been. Leftists are too stupid to actually see it.
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u/JoshGooch Jun 16 '22
I’m not being sarcastic I promise but I can’t figure out a good wording.
Are you familiar with the political compass? The bottom left are leftists. When I said “leftists” I wasn’t referring to democrats. Hell, Karl Marx supported the idea that a population should own weapons and I wouldn’t call him conservative.
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Jun 15 '22
*Peasant disarmament*
The new nobility sees no issue in allowing themselves and their cronies the ability to be heavily armed. Why do you think the major bill in Congress right now is one that makes it virtually unaffordable for a poor person to purchase an assault rifle, but not someone like the Las Vegas shooter or any wealthy person?
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u/rasputin777 Jun 15 '22
Gun concentration at the direction of politicians.
Is what it is, really.
Civilian disarmament. Yes. Police and military monopoly on force? Yes. Senators and Congresspeople and the WH having full discretion on who lives or dies? Yes.62
u/PromptCritical725 Jun 14 '22
It's a dog whistle and lets you know exactly where the publication stands.
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Jun 15 '22
Maybe we should control fertilizer? Easier to get, no background check, no background on renting a Uhaul/Penske truck. And you can blow up a whole school with out an AR……ask Timothy McVeigh. Or maybe mental health is the issue which we could still ask Tim.
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u/nukey18mon Jun 15 '22
I fully support the farming industry, however I think we should ban high nitrate fertilizer. No one needs so much nitrate. Plants can grow just fine with very little nitrate.
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u/KaiserSoze89 Jun 15 '22
It’s also entirely possible that OKC was a fed entrapment plot gone wrong. Yes it’s a conspiracy theory but it’s an intriguing one.
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u/THEDarkSpartian Jun 15 '22
It's a conspiracy theory you say? Be careful what you call a conspiracy theory, those tend to be true after a few months. Likewise, it's not unheard of for the feds to orchestrate things like that. Typically they don't make it all the way like that, but that was many years ago. Could have been their first time.
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u/therealfatmike Jun 15 '22
You know they monitor large fertilizer purchases right?
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Jun 15 '22
Yes I do. Obviously it went over your head on my point it is a mental health issue. Thanks for reporting me too.
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u/therealfatmike Jun 15 '22
So...why did you start your argument for it being a mental health issue with a false statement? That kind of debunks your entire argument.
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 14 '22
Here in Kentucky, I have no clue why the democrat party even bothers to oppose McConnell when he’s doing their job for him. 🙄
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u/MikeGotaNewHat Jun 14 '22
Booker is doing a shit job and only barking National Democratic talking points at this point and this vote probably took all the teeth out of his campaign against McConnell.
Fellow Kentuckian
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
I don’t think Booker is very popular tbh. Doesn’t he do campaign ads on TikTok? I’m hoping Andy loses his bid for re-election and is replaced by Savannah Maddox tbh.
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u/MikeGotaNewHat Jun 15 '22
Booker got me in the primary against Amy “Jet flying” McGrath with the hood to the holler stuff but he’s lost me recently with talking about international politics that do not affect Kentucky at all, it’s all been virtue signaling.
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
I couldn’t imagine still being a democrat in 2022 tbh
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u/catsandabs Jun 15 '22
Same, but are you saying it's any more reasonable being a Republican in 2022??
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
I think it ultimately depends. I don’t believe in straight ticket voting and I think you should vote for who best aligns with your ideals regardless of party. For me, that means voting for some Republicans like Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, etc. and also for voting for various libertarian candidates. I think some republicans truly get down to their conservative roots and those are fine to vote for. Others, like McConnell are nothing more than democrats going the speed limit as far as policy goes if that makes sense?
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u/Ok-Ad1558 Jun 15 '22
Yeah it seems like our only options ever are McConnell or a democrat…unfortunately it’s hard to see a difference these days.
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
Not really. McConnell has always been a RINO.
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u/KaiserSoze89 Jun 15 '22
Ultimately when it comes to guns, both parties want control, the democrats just want more of it. Don’t forget Don’s famous quote ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second.’ He also banned bumpy bois.
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
Oh I know. I tend to vet who I vote for very closely and I pay especially close attention to who’s running in the primaries at the local level. I feel that’s just as important as federal elections tbh. I also tend to not vote straight ticket and have been known to vote for some libertarians at times.
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Jun 15 '22
BlueGrass guy myself. Screw Mitch. We've need a strong maga conservative to replace him
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u/libertyordeath99 Jun 15 '22
I wouldn’t say that. I’d like to see someone from either the Mises Caucus or someone who closely aligns to those values. Someone like Massie. When I say small government conservative, I mean just that.
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u/CynicalOptimist79 Jun 15 '22
Lol. Rhino's like McConnell need to go, but at least you guys have Rand Paul and Thomas Massie.
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u/Bubzthetroll Jun 14 '22
Fuck him
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u/Themiamitypewriterco Jun 15 '22
And everyone who looks like him
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u/Patriot1608 Jun 14 '22
He doesn’t represent his constituents. He doesn’t care about our rights. Fire him!
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Jun 15 '22
How come his constituents keep electing him then?
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u/Patriot1608 Jun 15 '22
The primaries are biased in favor of the incumbent and corporations who fund him sway the votes with marketing
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u/Nanamary8 Jun 14 '22
We will soon all be outlaws just like the wild west days. Never thought I'd see this. Sickeningly sad.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 14 '22
Some of us live in states that already force us to be outlaws.
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u/Nanamary8 Jun 15 '22
My biggest fear, a blue state governor.
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u/ClearAndPure Jun 15 '22
Lol, mine is Gretchen Whitmer. Right now I'm in Chicago with Lori Lightfoot.
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u/ceestand Jun 15 '22
I got Hochul. I feel if not for politics these people would be school lunchroom monitors, or in HR, anything that would let them maliciously wield power over people.
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u/Silevern Jun 14 '22
What’s on the bill?
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
Federal bribe money to get states to enact red flag laws. Enhanced background checks for people from 18 to 21, adding their record as minors into the process. Money to increase school security and mental health programs. Ending the ‘boyfriend loophole’.
The only really bad part of it is red flag laws. But, that’s really really bad.
In all fairness, the Dems wanted an AR ban, increasing the age to buy a firearm to 21, and universal background checks. The republicans wouldn’t go for those things. So, they did do that much for us. If they had blocked red flag laws, too, this legislation would not be all that bad, really.
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u/xander_man Jun 15 '22
There should be an actual compromise, not only concessions.
For instance, if we'll implement a more enhanced background check system for under 21's- allow them to purchase handguns through it too.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
The problem is, since the base line is ‘shall not be infringed’, they really have nothing to concede. What can they give us, that unlimited doesn’t, in order for us to give up some of our rights, and have it actually be a compromise?
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u/Florian630 Jun 15 '22
Its still a bitch move to do. As far as I knew, the democrats didn’t have the votes going forward so we could have said fuck you and nothing would have happened. But we have politicians without spines, so of course people are going to get screwed over.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
I agree. On the other hand, the far left side of the Democratic Party is far from happy with the bill. They didn’t get the gun control they wanted, and the ones in the house might not accept the bill. They might try to add in all the crap that was left out, and that would kill the bill completely. And, perhaps, that was the idea, on the turtle’s part. He’s a sneaky cunning bastard. Maybe he figured that would happen, knew it would make the democrats look like the ones who wouldn’t do ‘something’ about the problem, and planned to use that to make them look even worse for the coming election.
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u/double0cinco Jun 15 '22
You're right about that. The turtle can certainly be a sneaky cunning bastard.
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u/gh3ngis_c0nn Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22
I would support the Red Flag if it was a felony to negligently or intentionally accuse someone without strict reason
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u/MadLordPunt Jun 15 '22
No doubt. I had a friend lose his firearms and CCW because his ex-wife accused him of threatening her when their child custody hearing went in his favor. His whole argument was: 'why would he threaten her when he got everything he wanted that day in court?' It took dozens of hours of phone recordings so he could finally get her to admit she lied about the whole thing and then over a year of court battles to get his permit and firearms back. Nothing happened to her, and they chalked it up to 'mental issues' from him leaving her.
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u/Tullyswimmer Jun 15 '22
Punishable by the same sentencing guidelines that exist for a felon in possession of a firewarm.
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u/Chad_Tachanka Jun 15 '22
I would also support that. If you falsely accuse someone you get a minimum 5 year sentence
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
It’s still a violation of the right to due process and the takings clause.
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u/AR15sAndShitV2 Jun 15 '22
Enhanced background checks are still fucking dumb, why are you all agreeing with this, no one is putting up any opposition to this. You all bitch about how the next generation of shooters is decreasing, but then agree with this
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
I’m not in agreement with it. All gun laws are bad, and there isn’t one shred of evidence that background checks have ever stopped a criminal from getting a gun, since most guns used in crime are gotten illegally.
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u/gh3ngis_c0nn Jun 15 '22
Why are you against background checks?
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u/AR15sAndShitV2 Jun 15 '22
The “Enhanced background checks” are for anyone under 21. It’s supposed to feature a 10 day waiting period. I’m against that
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u/gh3ngis_c0nn Jun 15 '22
What if there was a national concealed carry license that WAS your background check, so you didn’t have the waiting period?
Other people had to go through a more advanced background check per purchase.
I’m not crazy about the waiting period either btw. Women often need one immediately from a stalker or abusive person
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u/AR15sAndShitV2 Jun 15 '22
This is for anyone under 21. I don’t believe there is a single state that allows anyone under 21 to CCW. Why are you trying to negotiate with anyone who is trying to disarm you?
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
“Why are you trying to negotiate with anyone who is trying to disarm you?”
This is the question to be asking.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
Well, they are being used by the ATF to create a registry. That’s one big thing. And, universal background checks can’t even work without a registry.
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u/Bobjoejj Jun 15 '22
I don’t…shit I’m obviously revealing myself here, but I’m very genuinely curious: what’s wrong with a ban against Assault Rifles, raising the buying age to 21, and universal background checks? To me these all sound ridiculously logical. I’m curious why these are considered bad by y’all.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
No. Don’t be apologetic. You don’t understand and you’re asking for information, to get a better understanding. That’s great.
I’ll start with the quickest ones to answer first. You already have to have a background check to buy a gun from anyone who deals in guns ( that’s an FFL ). The only purchases you don’t need a background check for are private sales; which means a gun here or there, not someone who makes it a business selling guns. New gun sales always come through FFLs, and there is no gun show loophole. If you buy from a dealer at a gun show, it requires a background check.
With universal background checks, if you sold your brother a rifle, you’d have to do a background check. If you loaned your friend a rifle, to go hunting for the weekend, you’d have to do a background check when you loan it to him and another when he gave it back, because it would be considered a transfer.
Secondly, universal background checks are unenforceable if you don’t have a national gun registry. That’s presently illegal, although the ATF is using the paperwork requirements to illegally create a national registry, as we speak. The problem with registries is that confiscation always follows registration. If you look at every country that’s done gun registration, starting with Hitler, you’ll see that’s what happens.
Moreover, background checks do nothing to prevent crime. The ATF said that most of the guns used in crime were acquired illegally; so they never went through the background check process. And, most mass shooters pass background checks to buy their guns, since they are but cases, instead of repeat criminals. This means that the background checks we already have are ineffective. To create the risk of a registry, for something that is proven ineffective, is not a good trade off.
On raising the age requirement to buy a gun: the founding fathers stated that all of the people, old enough to fight, have the right to keep and bear arms. 18 year olds have been eligible for military service since the beginning of this country, and we send them off to war, to use the guns these laws would keep them from personally owning, to fight and die for this country. When you’re 18, you have all your rights. Could you imagine having to be 21 to exercise your first amendment rights?
‘AW’ bans. First off, there is no such thing as an assault weapon. If I attack you with a rock, that rock is an assault weapon. If I have an AR15 that I use for hunting, and have never attacked anyone with, it’s not an assault weapon. The term assault weapon was taken from Hitler’s term for select fire military rifles: assault rifles. It’s a bit of propaganda, as is the claim that they are weapons of war. Any weapon can be used during war. Soldiers have used their shovels as weapons. They have combat knives. But, these items are never called weapons of war. The military doesn’t use AR15s. They used M16 variants; which have select fire capability( can be switched from semiautomatic to full auto or burst fire ). AR15s are only semiautomatic. They fire one round every time you pull the trigger, just like all semiautomatic handguns, and even double action revolvers. You can only shoot an AR as fast as you can shoot any other semiautomatic. They look like m16s, though, which is why they have been referring to them as ‘military style’ weapons. But, they don’t function any differently than a ruger mini14; which has a wood stock just like your dad’s hunting rifle.
ARs are only used in 2% of all homicides. Most homicides are done with handguns. There are more murders committed with fists or knives or hammers than ARs. There was already an AW ban. The DOJ found it had no effect on crime rates, so it was allowed to end; as per its sunset clause.
So, why do they want to ban them so badly? That has to do with the reason 2A was written. It wasn’t written so you could hunt, or even self defense, although those are legitimate uses for arms. The right to keep and bear arms was protected so that the people could form properly functioning militias to resist government tyranny. The first clause of 2A specifically states that, as do the other writings of the founding fathers. Government can never be allowed to have a monopoly on force, otherwise, liberty is lost. You can see that throughout history, since the beginning of the 20th century, and it was like that during the time of the founding fathers.
They were reluctant to give the government the power to have a standing army, because governments use the military against their people, but they felt the fact that we would all be armed would protect us from the military, if the government turned tyrannical. The intent of 2A was for us to be able to defend ourselves from our own military, and, to do that, we had to be armed in similar fashion to the military. Madison, who wrote the bill of rights, stated 2A protected your right to own cannons, and to arm a ship with them.
The reason they want to ban ARs is because tyrants do not want a populace that is armed and can resist their tyranny. Anyone who knows the military knows that rifles are the main arm of soldiers. Handguns are just side arms, and aren’t even issued to most soldiers.
If preventing crime was the goal, they would fix the justice system. But, they don’t, and the lax justice system is one of the big reasons crime is so bad. No. Gun control isn’t about prevention of crime. It’s about disarming the people so the government can have complete control, and the people have no means to resist.
That’s the abridged version of it. I can fully explain 2A to you, and find you quotes from the founding fathers to help you understand their intent, if you’re interested. Just let me know, and feel free to ask any other questions about this. I’ll be glad to discuss it with you as fully as you’d like. Civil discourse is the best way for people to gain understanding.
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u/ToxiClay would like to know more Jun 15 '22
No bill yet, just a framework to discuss a bill.
The plan, endorsed by 10 Republicans and 10 Democrats, would include funding for mental health resources, boosting school safety and grants for states to implement so-called red flag laws that allow authorities to confiscate guns from people deemed to be dangerous. It would also expand the nation’s background check system to include juvenile records for any prospective gun buyer under the age of 21.
Most notably, it includes a provision to address what is known as the “boyfriend loophole,” which would prohibit dating partners — not just spouses — from owning guns if they had been convicted of domestic violence. The framework says that convicted domestic violence abusers and individuals subject to domestic violence restraining orders would be included in criminal background checks.
That last provision is notable because it adds significant strength to the Lautenberg Amendment, which in its current form only applies to:
a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse, parent, or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim.
It doesn't apply to just a boyfriend or girlfriend.
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u/gameman733 Jun 14 '22
But noooooo, I’m wasting my vote for voting 3rd party….
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u/Tonytiga516 Jun 14 '22
You’re under the impression that voting is actually going to restore 2A…
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u/KrissKross87 Jun 15 '22
Once a right is taken by the quill it can only be restored by the sword.
If the pen is the modern equivalent of the quill, gee I wonder what the sword's modern equivalent would be?
I'd just like to point out that Washington himself would have shot more than half of Congress if they tried this around him.
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u/eldormilon Jun 15 '22
People who are telling you that it's a waste of a vote are to blame for propping up the two-party system. I would ignore them.
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u/ev_forklift Jun 14 '22
You are. Primary the Rinos. It's easier to puppet the corpse of one of the existing parties than it is to build a new one. Look at what's happened to the Democrats
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u/skunimatrix Jun 14 '22
How many times are we going to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result? We've been there and done that. Remember when the tea party Republicans were supposed to be the ones to get us national reciprocity and the hearing protection act....how did the vote turn out for that one? Oh wait, there was never even a vote?
Sorry the only time the Republicans have ever pushed back in my lifetime was only after Ross Perot cost H.W. Bush reelection and they came back with the Contract with America and actually did something.
They aren't going to actually pay attention to us until we cost them elections by showing up and casting votes for a 3rd party in protest.
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u/rasputin777 Jun 15 '22
I mean, the GOP at a state level is what's gotten us 26 states with Constitutional carry.
Same thing with CCW at a state level.No one else has moved the needle.
Yes, the GOP leadership sucks a trillion donkey balls. I 100% agree. Well, 95%. Heller and McDonald are a result of national GOP pols. And the soon-to-be-decided NYSRPA vs. Bruen (hopefully).
Baby/bathwater. Let's think about that.
My hope is that with the recent COVID lockdowns, the crime uptick, the massive increase in gun ownership, school board stuff and a million other little cuts, the GOP actually starts electing reasonable humans. It might happen. But in any case, the 'they're the same' talking point is BS. What was the SCOTUS vote on Heller? McDonald? You think Kagan and Sotomayor and KJB are going to vote for your 2A rights? KJB won't even confirm that she believes in individual rights period.
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u/Jokengonzo Jun 14 '22
Exactly a 3rd sorry defeat for them would send them scrambling especially if it’s done in this midterms
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 14 '22
It would also fuck the country over completely. It really can’t take much more of what we’ve had since Brandon got in office.
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u/Jokengonzo Jun 14 '22
The country is getting fucked regardless on one hand. We have the left and their new woke religion which they are spreading with a fervor that matches any crusader or jihadist’s religious zeal. And everyone is too afraid to put them in their place. Meanwhile the right couldn’t give 2 shits as long their kick backs keep coming and they can keep hoarding their shit they won’t lift a finger to help.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
That’s the Rinos. They do seem to be getting primaried. Better to weed out the chaff in the republican part than to divert votes to a party that doesn’t have a snowballs chance of getting in. Plus, not all of us are for open borders.
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u/deekaydubya Jun 15 '22
their new woke religion which they are spreading with a fervor that matches any crusader or jihadist’s religious zeal
uhhhh fortunately I have avoided seeing any evidence of this happening literally anywhere in the nation, outside of bullshit Q-adjacent talking points. But hey guess it's another bogeyman to add to their rolodex
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u/deekaydubya Jun 15 '22
and yet another trump/GOP term would be the death rattle of the nation, crazy people think the current president is worse. We need new candidates stat
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
The current president is the worst we’ve ever had. At least, in my lifetime.
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u/skunimatrix Jun 15 '22
And I lived through the Carter years...
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 15 '22
Me too. I can’t say they were actually worse, though. But, only because this administration is pushing the woke agenda along with all the other things he’s doing. But, I definitely have to admit, Carter was almost as bad.
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u/chaos021 Jun 14 '22
You are though. Unless a third-party candidate has a legit chance, any vote for them is statistically a waste. I'd still say vote your conscience, but let's call it like it is.
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u/h8ers_suck Jun 14 '22
Well I will likely be voting third party from here forward...fuck Democrats and Republicans all the same (the politicians of course). Looks like the third party voters are coming out of the woodwork.
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u/chaos021 Jun 14 '22
I hope so. We need some actual change. I just wish people were more politically active from the local level on up.
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u/SpyingFuzzball Jun 14 '22
Libertarian party making moves getting rid of the old guard. Will be interesting to see the candidates this next cycle.
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u/alienvalentine Jun 14 '22
Dave Smith 2024
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u/SpyingFuzzball Jun 15 '22
I can't imagine a better time for that to happen, everyone is so disappointed with their two parties and Dave definitely seems ready for the spotlight
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u/spaztick1 Jun 14 '22
They don't have a legit chance unless people vote for them. If you're not voting for the best candidate, YOU are wasting your vote.
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u/chaos021 Jun 14 '22
Trust me. I get that. How many people do you know who even vote in primaries? Or vote at all? I know far too many personally and it's infuriating.
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u/gameman733 Jun 14 '22
What’s a wasted vote though? A vote for someone who simply didn’t win? Or a vote that more closely represents your views even if that person isn’t likely to win, in hopes that the candidate who does win might actually take that viewpoint into account once in a while?
Neither party even makes an attempt to listen to their constituents. Look at all the form replies received all over these subreddits. Obviously skewed due to the nature of the sub, but I have no doubt that left leaning people also receive replies from their right leaning representatives who completely ignore their message and simply send a “vote for me” style reply detailing their views on whatever subject is being written about.
Anyone involved in either major party doesn’t represent their constituents. They represent their party. And most of America is so convinced the other side is the devil that they will vote for someone who they might not like, just because they believe the other side is so much worse. Meanwhile, both sides conveniently work together to make sure peoples rights are trampled, or to scam as much money as they can out of the government/campaign favors, or keep themselves out of trouble as much as possible.
So yeah, I’m voting my conscience. I’m just tired of hearing it’s a wasted effort while people get riled up because “their” party did something wrong
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u/chaos021 Jun 14 '22
I'm saying from a statistical PoV, voting for anything that didn't have a legit chance to even make it deep in the primary is a wasted vote. Honestly, I consider uninformed votes truly a wasted vote. The fact that so many people I talk to have no idea who their local or state reps are but wanna tell me that I don't have a clue about politics. Assholes who wanna tell me "My vote doesn't matter anyway" but wanna bitch about the political state of things. In essence, they're just voting for their worst option, and they're too stupid to realize it. That's really the crux of my problem with Americans in general. We're too fucking lazy to take any of our civic duties seriously but wanna bitch about our rights. Our rights come with responsibilities. That's how the system was setup oeiginally. Now, it's a disfigured version of what was intended. A professor told me a long time ago that "We get the government that we deserve.". It's always rung true, and I'm at my breaking point for giving a fuck any more.
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u/quicksilverbond Jun 14 '22
Unless a third-party candidate has a legit chance, any vote for them is statistically a waste.
Voting 3rd party isn't about winning. It's about telling the establishment that it sucks and giving it reasons why. It tells them that you were willing to show up and still choose not to vote for them knowing your candidate wasn't going to win because they weren't serious enough about some issue that is important to you.
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u/chaos021 Jun 14 '22
Agreed. Partially.
The establishment really doesn't get "the message" unless a third-party candidate does well enough to receive public funds. I totally agree with voting for what matters to you. We all should be doing that.
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Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
LMFAOOOO come fucking take it already so we can get this party fucking started.
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u/sailor-jackn Jun 14 '22
1776 revisited!
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u/deekaydubya Jun 15 '22
lmao would you know who to fight though? the party which attempts to pass gun control legislation using due process and is voted down time and time again, or the party who claims to support the 2A but repeatedly shits on the rest of the constitution while threatening to just take the guns?
it'd be weird seeing all of these people who 'back the blue' suddenly 180 on that stance, but hey hypocrisy is one of their core values at this point
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Jun 15 '22
I’m fighting whoever comes to my door to take my shit. It’s not that fucking complicated, both sides are evil, working together, and useless for the well-being of the population. The ideology of politics is parasitical as it is, it’s fucking useless😂 All this divide and conquer agenda why the fuck would anyone want to continue voting for either party? If this country don’t stand on true liberty, it stands on absolutely nothing.
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Jun 14 '22
Yeah right. You'd shit yourself and hand it over.
Or stupidly spend the rest of your life in prison for murder.
Either way, hardly a party.
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u/Zumbert Jun 15 '22
Remember when a bunch of UNARMED trump supporters completely crippled the capitol, and over a year later the democrats are still quaking in their boots during the hearings?
The current status quo is hanging by a thread, if the government wants to keep laying straws on the camels back who knows what will happen.
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u/SirRolex Jun 14 '22
Fuck that man. I don't have any kids, nothing worth living for honestly. Stack up or shut up I say to these fed fucks.
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u/ImWearingBattleDress Jun 14 '22
1 in a thousand crazy enough to resist is still 77,000.
Good luck.
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Jun 14 '22
Lmfao you’re wild for assuming i’d do what you would do. Hilarious actually
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Jun 15 '22
Tell me how you picture it going down then.
Bonus would be that in the remote chance you followed through with your terrorist plans and shot cops who were there to lawfully seize your guns, you and your fellow gun but maniacs would be wiped out and the US wouldn't have a gun problem any more. Darwinism at its finest
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u/Kentuckywindage01 Jun 14 '22 edited Jun 14 '22
Just write him a sternly-worded email. I know it won’t do anything, but what other options do we have
Edit: wrote*
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u/KaiserSoze89 Jun 15 '22
Easy example as to why this is the case and also might overly appear to be true is look at the news app on any apple device. Almost every single article they have on there that is an opinion piece that relates to the second amendment is in favor of gun control. Put that in the pocket of millions of Americans and boom there is your message. Not to mention most social media platforms being heavily dominated by ‘influencers’ of some kind who have nothing to do with politics advocating for gun control.
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u/Flux_State Jun 14 '22
Republicans have never rolled back gun control or pushed thru important gun rights reforms. They manipulate voters and keep them afraid.
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u/Palladium_Dawn Jun 14 '22
It would be a shame if Mitch McConnell was red flagged by anonymous people on the internet
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u/horseshoeprovodnikov Jun 15 '22
Turkey necked sonofabitch.
All that government money, get that shit tucked in bro. It makes me sick.
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u/Ok-Refrigerator9272 Jun 15 '22
More like Bitch McConnell amirite
What a POS, just like all of em quite frankly, red or blue fuck you
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u/zatikat Jun 14 '22
Of corse he will, because cocaine Mitch is a democrat ass kissing rhino that wouldn’t know what a spine was if it smacked him across his turtle fucking face.
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u/deekaydubya Jun 15 '22
one party repeatedly threatens to abuse their power and circumvent the rule of law to take guns, while the other attempts to pass half-baked legislation and is voted down by THEIR OWN PARTY MEMBERS again and again.
Yeah definitely the same
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u/cane187um Jun 14 '22
Good thing none of the things those clowns do up there has any legal bearing on what "we the people" do.
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u/ted_redfield Jun 15 '22
He's a scum-sucking zionist neoliberal who knows over half the country wants him and the entire establishment deposed, so they want to move forward with total disarmament as fast as possible.
Has nothing to do with safety. Fucking turtle-faced sack of shit, he's 100% a CHICOM asset controlled by his fucking CHICOM wife.
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u/Belkan-Federation Jun 15 '22
I'm not an Ancom but for some reason I read that as "Disarm the Proletariat" bill
I'm speaking in leftist now (the pro gun ones)
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u/gtgg9 Jun 15 '22
Sad turtle should be force fed a bag of dicks every day for the rest of his miserable life.
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u/PlutoTheGod Jun 15 '22
I love the double speak used by government. It’s now “gun safety” instead of gun control because they find that too abrasive to deceive people into being okay with it.
It’s much like how if you’re killed by medical malpractice, they’ll refer to the incident as a “Therapeutic Misadventure”
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u/codifier Jun 14 '22
Have people forgotten how the Federal Government blatantly abused the "PATRIOT ACT" after 9/11? Do they really think the same group of people who leveraged all of the powers they granted themselves after a tragedy then proceeded to violate people's rights somehow won't do it this time?
I feel like I am taking crazy pills, that was the last two decades and here we are again listening to the Government telling us "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.".
I remember that bullshit and I remember being ridiculed for speaking against it.