r/gunpolitics • u/deplorableclinger • Jul 03 '24
CA Now Tracking Firearm Transactions NOWTTYG
“… the gun purchase data from the California law will be shared with University researchers.”
“The debate over gun sale tracking has become another among many divisive policies that have set Democrat and Republican states against each other with the states of Georgia, Iowa, Tennessee, and Wyoming passing bans on the practice in the past few months joining thirteen other states who had previously. According to CBS News, Colorado, and New York have also passed laws requiring firearms sales codes set to go effective in 2025.“
“Dan Eldridge, the proprietor of Maxson's Shooting Supplies near Chicago told the newswire that he's already installed an ATM in his shop …”
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u/Oakroscoe Jul 03 '24
Researcher? Nah, the CA state attorney general will just leak them, again….
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u/9mmShortStack Jul 03 '24
I actually forgot this happened despite it being so relevant, and so recent too.
Maybe it's my memory specifically just being shitty this time, but I feel like a lot of things get "memoryholed" by the entire public more often in the past decade.
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u/HeemeyerDidNoWrong Jul 03 '24
I presume this involves UC Davis. The state of California and the research group have shown that they can't safeguard the private data involved before. If they want to study the effect of gun policy they should start with looking at whether past data breaches due to their own incompetence/malice have lead to increased theft from gun owners.
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u/ElonMuskHeir Jul 03 '24
As someone whose company used to be a vendor for the State of California, your PII is NOT safe within their IT infrastructure. Their security measures are a joke.
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u/Stack_Silver Jul 03 '24
In related news:
Nevada and Arizona have seen an increase of gun purchases.
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u/Sir_Uncle_Bill Jul 04 '24
Yep. Lots of good reasons decent people refuse to live in that shithole state. If you do live there, move.
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u/Bgbnkr Jul 04 '24
If in doubt, cash.
It's difficult to track only gun sales. If I go to my local Sportsmans and buy a gun, a knife, a fishing license and t-shirt, it doesn't get broken down on the cc processing side. At best it is a store that sells guns. However, everyone that shops there gets coded the same.
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u/mrfoof Jul 04 '24
California already tracks these transactions through DROS. I have no idea what additional benefit the government thinks they're getting here.
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u/Inevitable_Rough_993 Jul 04 '24
I am a native Texan my parents moved me to Comifornia when I was 10 years old I was always a hunter gun enthusiast at 70 years old I loaded the wife up and we moved to the Piney Woods of East Texas 30 miles from where I was born I am now 74 years old we live on 5 acres in the woods and I have my vegetable garden and hens and shoot coons and squirrels off my back porch my neighbor does the same all the people are nice, respectful and love God and Country they are all very accepting of anyone moving here as long as they have Conservative Christian values
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u/warmwaffles Jul 07 '24
If you are in Texas and indeed that is true, you must be on at least 10 acres to discharge a firearm for recreation, and at least 100 yards from any dwelling. This state isn't as progun as the media paints it. That said, don't ask for permission.
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u/Inevitable_Rough_993 Jul 07 '24
Yes sir I understand that but if they the squirrels eating my house trim or the coons killing my cat or chickens then I am legally within my rights to protect my property but I do thank you for bringing up the legality of shooting on ones property and yes it is minimum 10 acres and it must be done in a safe and sane manner
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Totally not ATF Jul 03 '24
This is such a non-issue it's laughable how upset people are over it.
With or without this "code" every single purchase you make on a credit card is tracked, and analyzed, and researched. They already know every cent you have spent at any gun store, they know when you did it too. Hell they know every cent you have spent on that card, with whom, and when. It's a trivial DB querry to pull a report on this.
They know which merchants are in what industries, because they use that to calculate the processor fees they charge. "High risk" industries like guns, alcohol, adult entertainment, get charged higher fees.
Nothing you do with a credit card is private. It never has been. Read your cardholder agreement.
This is an absolute non-issue to anyone with any knowledge of PCI. If you want your transaction to be private, use physical currency.
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u/Billybob_Bojangles2 Jul 03 '24
Doesn't the state need a warrant to ask for this data?
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Totally not ATF Jul 03 '24
Nope.
They need a warrant to DEMAND it. But if they merely ASK and the card issuer VOLUNTARILY chooses to hand it over, then there's no legal issue.
This is settled law and pretty much every company based in the US who deals with data hands it over voluntarily.
As an example lets say you have a CCTV camera setup in your business. The cops come over saying a robbery happened across the street and they want to see if your cameras caught it. If you choose to voluntarily give them the footage, they do not need a warrant.
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u/Billybob_Bojangles2 Jul 03 '24
True. So if a card issuer simply refuses to cooperate, this law is unenforceable?
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt Totally not ATF Jul 03 '24
Not entirely.
The law requires them to use the code to track such. It does not (yet) compel them to disclose said data. So there would be no 4th challenge.
I expect this law to survive constitutionality challenges. It is a state regulating commerce within their borders. I also expect CA to pass a law requiring such data be disclosed in the future. That would be a 4A challenge against unwarranted search/seizure of documents.
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u/FireFight1234567 Jul 03 '24
On a side note, the data sharing law from Cali survived the 2A challenge.
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u/bbrosen Jul 03 '24
So, they are tracking both law abiding peoples transactions and criminals on the streets too, right?