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Why aren't there any large cities in this area? Discussion

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

Montana on average is now 2nd or 3rd most expensive housing prices in the US. I spoke recently with a partner company rep where the company’s HQ is in Bozeman. He couldn’t afford to live there and was based in Chicago. It’s insane. When I grew up, Bozeman was a sleepy little college and ski town with a population in the summer half what it was during the school year. Missoula too.

Edited: Billings was growing too due to fracking in the Bakken oil fields and may be again, but Billings seems opposite to the rest of the country. It grows when the rest doesn’t for some odd reason. I grew up there (born in Missoula) but have lived abroad for 20+ years now

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u/AngryPhillySportsFan 26d ago

It's now the getaway quiet place for every rich person in the west wanting to play cowboy for a week or two every year. They bought all the cheap houses during covid and now want double what they paid.

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u/crod4692 26d ago

That and ski resorts. Big Sky is close to Bozeman, right?

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u/AngryPhillySportsFan 26d ago

About an hour apart

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u/Helios_One_Two 26d ago

Yeah Californians buying houses site unseen near whitefish and Bozeman ruined the housing market here…

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u/yorlikyorlik 25d ago

I’m not trying to start anything, but under what set of laws or rules does it say that land values must be artificially suppressed, and land ownership be restricted to “locals”? Who do you think sold the land (and profited handsomely) to the Californians? (Last word must be read in either Bill Hader’s or Fred Armison’s voice)

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u/GomiBoy1973 25d ago

Some Montanans did very well. A lot more can’t afford to live there anymore.

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u/ThatDarnBanditx 23d ago

My parents live near whitefish in a house that’s been in family for generations, and their neighbor who bought a house cash for 100K above asking, bought 4 houses in the valley, happens to be Californian and bring all their friends out every summer, who then say they want to buy a place up there

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u/Burt-Macklin 23d ago

No laws, just like unfettered capitalism, but that doesn’t change the fact that greed is shitty.

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u/stumphead11 26d ago

You'd likely not recognize Missoula now. I grew up in Missoula, and live in the Bitterroot now. Every now and then I have reason to go to random Missoula neighborhoods, and it's mind blowing how much things have changed.

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

I’ve been back this year it’s changed dramatically (mom and Sister are in Hamilton but they got in before it went nuts so they’re doing OK and have a hell of a nest egg if they sell up but likely nowhere to go local)

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u/Potential-Still 26d ago

I live in Helena, a town where literally nothing ever happens. But even here the average house is now over $500k. 

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u/nuger93 26d ago

I was born in Helena in the 90s. Back then, most of the north valley (Basically everything North of Custer Avenue) was just open fields with a few businesses here and there (and St Pete’s was just a little dinky community hospital)

It was alright but for some reason around 2010 is when you started noticing housing costs going up faster than wages. By the time I was in college at Carroll (scholarship), even studio apartments were going for $1500-2k minimum in some less desirable areas.

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u/anteru 26d ago

I lived in Missoula for about 15 years and was forced to move due to the cost of living in 2019. Wages were just not keeping up. I moved to the Butte area because it was less expensive and closer to family. That didn't last long. housing/rent has tripled.

its horrible everywhere here and showing no signs of slowing down or easing up. I don't know how much longer i can afford to stay here.

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u/PTBruiser24 26d ago

ayy, a fellow billingsite on a non montana sub hehe- i'd say go broncs but i don't actually care at all (and am gonna assume you don't care at all too lol)

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u/PETEthePyrotechnic 26d ago

I’d say go broncs but I’m full time at the career center so I don’t care anyway lol

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

Haven’t been back for over 5 years now. No real family left there, they went first to Portland and now outside Hamilton. The Yellowstone effect is huge, luckily they got in before it godly bad tho.

And yeah go Broncs

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u/Techmite 23d ago

Don't worry. There's more of us here than you think lol.

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u/Catsinbowties 26d ago

cries in Missoulian

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u/Gedora97 26d ago

I grew up in Kalispell Montana and I watched the prices soar during covid and I don't understand what's happening in my home town. The population has more than doubled and prices for everything have gone up BUT nobody is working Everywhere I went during my last visits. Popular Restaurants would be full with only 1 waitress and 1 cook, Walmarts isles stacked with pallets, multiple popular business only open a few days a week and drive through only. I do not understand it. Population doubles means we have more people to work. Prices going up people need to work more yet the workers are nowhere to be found anywhere. Most people I know haven't moved out of the area i just don't get it.

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

I was in the Bitteroot this past summer and most everything was open and businesses seemed to be doing well, but a lot of people are complaining to my family about how expensive everything is and how fast the property taxes and home prices are going up, but that wages aren’t going up nearly so quickly.

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u/Sickofriend 26d ago

Yes a bozeminte, I live out of state for this very reason. Have for 20 years, bummer

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

Nope sorry, born in Zootown, raised in Billings. Moved to the Northwest in ‘96 and to the UK in 2002

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u/Sickofriend 25d ago

Nice that sounds wonderful! I ended up having a child at an early age and I’ve been hunkered down in parent rearing mode. The next couple of years I plan on branching out and doing something international where in the UK recommend?

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u/erxolam 26d ago

I think you are confusing affordability with expensive. Hines in Montana are expensive compared to the average wage there but nowhere near the most expensive in the US. Here’s the report data

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u/GomiBoy1973 26d ago

So not the most expensive per square foot but the least affordable… gotcha.

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u/LoveZombie83 25d ago

Bend, OR 2.0

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u/JustinGuerrero90 24d ago

pretty crazy to see. i grew up in missoula and moved to bozeman for a number of years.. lived there most of my life. i moved to miami about 5 years ago now and what's crazy is that it costs less to live here in the downtown brickell area than in montana. it really is tragic for those who live there and grew up there because of how unreachable homeownership is anymore.

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u/BroadwySuperstarDoug 23d ago

As a Billings resident and business owner, the resistance to development and investment this town has is frustrating.

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u/njtalp46 23d ago

I think Billings has reverse economic booms because the bakken oil fields are only economically viable when oil prices are high, and those high oil prices often correlate with an economy thats struggling in other regards

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u/lakerschampions 26d ago

I lived in Bozeman right at the start of the boom. That place got absolutely high jacked by yuppie turds from CA and WA. Housing shot up like a rocket it was insane.

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u/TheRingingWontStop 26d ago

Bunch of richies buying out property and jacking up the price. It’s annoying as hell

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u/Techmite 23d ago

Interesting. Where do you live now?

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u/GomiBoy1973 23d ago

South of England; my wife is British.