r/fairytail • u/DarkChimera64 • 23h ago
[Discussion] What’s your “I did not care for the Godfather” in Fairy Tail? Main Series
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u/conman752 21h ago
Raven Tail. They're just a wasted subplot during the GMG arc. There should have been a lot more to them than barely being mentioned a few times and then showing up in GMG, causing Lucy to lose in one of the most frustrating fights ever and then getting destroyed by Laxus.
I said this in another post, but we should have been shown the interaction between Ivan, Makarov and Laxus when Ivan was still with Fairy Tail and be shown why Ivan was kicked out of the guild. Maybe they're a threat in one particular arc, but are defeated and then them showing up in GMG is more surprising because everyone thought they were gone. Just mentioning the disfunction of Makarov's family but not showing it makes me not care as much about Laxus when he was a pseudo villian at the beginning of the story.
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u/I_know3 22h ago
I don't like how many dragonslayers there are now he should have just stopped with seven.
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u/princegogetav4 22h ago
With all the seven symbolism (disappeared 7 years ago on 7/7/777) it would make sense there were 7 dragons that trained 7 dragon slayers
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u/Dracopyre324 6h ago
Yeah, but I can see why he added more. That seven symbolism was all for the plot of defeating Acnologia. Since Acnologia’s dead, that symbolism is no longer needed, and so, there was room for more dragon slayers.
Also, God Serana was a Dragon Slayer not included in the seven, and he had eight Dragon Slaying Lacrima. And he was still bitchslapped by Acnologia.
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u/Amzz229 21h ago
This is very true, but If I remember correctly,adding dragon slayers from another continent,we only have 14 dragon slayers in total, so that's still pretty rare, that's nearly 14 people in around 25 million(assuming gulitina has 10 million population, and Fiore's population is said to be 15 million in the first episode)
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u/Helfyresarge1 7h ago
Technically there were 22 known dragon slayers plus an entire army of 4th gens in the dragon cry movie.
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u/JikaApostle 22h ago
Stupid question but is it ever explained why only those 7 were brought to the rift when there were so many others + dragon gods. Is it just because Acnologia didn’t know they were around?
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u/Rampagingflames 21h ago
I've always seen it as Acnologia was almost done with Ishtar dragons before moving on to the next continent.
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u/JikaApostle 13h ago
But then why is it never brought up that there’s other continents, and why has Acnologia never bothered to go over there. He’s been killing these guys for 400 years, and based on the 5 Foster Parent dragons feats against Face in Tartaros, he should’ve easily been able to go to the other continents and taken down their dragons
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u/Rampagingflames 11h ago
Honestly the only answer I have is that Mashima is lacking in the world building aspect.
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u/Phine9201 8h ago
The dragons from the 100 years quest, are much stronger than Acnologia for example. Is said in one of the first episodes. 😅
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u/JikaApostle 6h ago
Elefseria states that each is “arguably as strong as Acnologia” in chapter 2. It’s not a concrete statement that any of them are stronger, it’s outright stated it’s debatable if any of them match his power.
When is the last time Elefseria has actually seen the dragon gods or Acnologia, and did he even see either of them at their best? Team Tenrou didn’t even realize the latter was toying with them until Gildarts revealed he was using less effort than was used on during his 100 year quest.
Fairy Tail has overhyped endgame antagonists before, this is nothing new. Brandish’s lackey no diffs Lucy and Erza, and her presence alone scares Natsu and Gray shitless. People do debate Brandish’s position, some have her in the upper half of strength, some have her in dead last. That same arc, multiple Natsu/Gray level, and even lower are not only able to match the other Spriggan, but even beat them.
Even if their strengths are relative, Acnologia is a nightmare matchup since he can eat any Magic the dragon gods use on him, but not vise versa.
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u/Helfyresarge1 17h ago
Basically went from very rare to uncommon.
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u/77DragonSlayer95 2h ago
Erza's and Lucy's magic are now more rare than dragonslayers. Let that sink in.
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u/UsrDeletedFromPlanet 21h ago
I didn't understand the one arc with lucy's cousin michelle. Idk what was going on and it was like some sort of fever dream to me. Was that arc filler or smth?
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u/Rampagingflames 21h ago
The arc is filler but there are references later on in the manga making it a canon filler.
Iirc Mashima wanted to draw it but couldn't because of scheduling or something, so he gave notes to the animators for the arc.
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u/Ninja_SurgeFairy 12h ago
Iirc Mashima wanted to draw it but couldn't because of scheduling or something
People say this and maybe you've heard it from someone saying it, but I've never seen a source for it (though maybe you have one and if so, that's awesome). Considering when the Arc was made, it seems more likely that they had to do an Arc to keep the Anime from catching up to the Manga and Mashima decided to reference the Arc in the Manga.
I feel like it'd be a big coincidence if this Arc he never got to do because of reasons I've never seen anyone provide just so happened to take place at the point where the Anime was catching up with the Manga and they needed a story to delay that.
Plus, again, I've never seen a genuine, official source for it or it ever be explained why Mashima was supposedly unable to make this Arc in the Manga
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u/doritoes_and_dick 13h ago
I actually love that arc, but it is weird that a doll came to life and said she was her sister.
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u/UsrDeletedFromPlanet 11h ago
I didn't understand what was going on, to me this arc was just an excuse to introduce the earthland counterparts of the edolas people.
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u/akari0413 10h ago
Well, i really love the lucy and michelle parts, i think that was the best part. In addition to the fact that it also reveals more about Lucy's past
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u/Victory_Future 22h ago
I never understood Carla's protectiveness over Wendy?
She was constantly telling her to not use her magic too much, but, she's a s k y dragon slayer. Doesn't she need to just eat air to regain her magic/strength?
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u/Agreeable-Willow-101 20h ago
It's never said but it'd obviously have limits considering Wendy doesn't always eat the air. She only seems to get massive boosts from air which has a dense concentration of ethernano. Healing magic is established to be very draining, it only makes sense Carla doesn't want Wendy to overuse her magic especially when that can cause certain tumors to appear which was established in the Alvarez arc.
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u/No_Rope7342 19h ago
I thought the dragons all did that process so that they wouldn’t form tumors? Wasn’t it that natsu never even had a dragon tumor but a demon tumor that was just thought to be a dragon tumor.
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u/Agreeable-Willow-101 18h ago
Tumors as in anti-ethernano tumors. Any wizard can develop those from overuse of magic. What the dragons did was to prevent the growth of Dragon Seeds, not tumors.
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u/Tyluigii 18h ago
i actually like all the filler and all the scenes involving the lesser used members of the guild
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u/hamiiiister 21h ago
the amount of times characters fake die… or should’ve died…
don’t get me wrong, i totally get it… it’s a different kind of theme & i love FT… but at the same time some characters staying dead/dying would definitely add more plot/character development
to name a few:
-makarov (dude cheated death like 8 times)
-lisanna (this could’ve really changed up mirajane’s role in the story sigh… or at least bring back lisanna MANY arcs later so we can explore Mirajane more..)
-laxus (love the dude, but his sacrifice in the tartaros arc would’ve been more hard core if he K.O… his arc after that could’ve really been given to any other character)
-minerva (she should’ve died as a demon or something in tartaros arc… definitely would’ve loved it if she went out still as a villain who “ regrets” her life choices last second because she realizes she lost in the end..)
idk i can’t think of anyone else but yall get it.. right? 😭
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u/conman752 21h ago
Someone once suggested Lisanna should have been brought back as a demon during the Tartaros Arc, after meeting the Edolas version during that arc. And imo, that would have hit so much harder if Mirajane and Elfman have to fight together to defeat/kill their baby sister again.
There are so many times in media like this where someone suggests something like this and you realize, holy shit, that would have been incredible to see. And it's sad that one of three things happened: 1. The writer didn't have the imagination to come up with it. 2. They did and decided to not go through with it; or 3. They thought of it but somehow couldn't write it in a convincing way to make it work.
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u/CyberSnoWolf 21h ago
I can kinda relate to this.
The thing about it for me is that during battles, it helps set the tone with how serious and dangerous the villains actually are. A lot of the time when they introduce new villains, they always hype them up that they’re super powerful and so many people have been killed by them. But in the show with the main characters, even the supporting cast with them, they just get injured and miraculously recover a few episodes later. No one actually dies from any injuries they get from villains. Because of this, I find a lot of the villains pretty underwhelming.
It was similar with Bleach that for a long time, so many characters had near death experiences, but had somehow managed to survive. This changed in Thousand Year Blood War where we actually see not just the Quincies, but the Shinigami getting killed during the battles. Many of them were characters that have been around since the start of the show.
Now, I’m not saying that characters should start being taken out left and right, but if one’s gonna introduce a powerful force that is a real threat in the story and to the protagonist, they gotta set the tone.
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u/DavidLorenz 21h ago
Actual deaths would add absolutely nothing to this type of show and would unnecessarily take away lovable characters. I will never understand this absurd insistence on deaths.
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u/hamiiiister 21h ago
i guess my personal issue is the whole build up of the fake death and how many chapters / episodes of assuming the character is dead & seeing the reactions / emotions then BAM just kidding they’re not dead… ya know? i mean i totally understand the love for the characters but to a certain degree it gets less emotional & impactful knowing the death / affects of it aren’t that /true/
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u/DavidLorenz 21h ago
I don’t dislike the fake out deaths at all.
Sure, you as the audience know that there is no way for the characters to actually die. But the characters themselves are in fact not aware of that. The fear and grief that they feel is genuine and allows for emotional moments without killing off any of these lovable characters.
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u/No_Rope7342 19h ago
The problem with your thought process is that no, no us as the audience do not know that they can’t die. I didn’t know it until I had witnessed a dozen fake deaths and was almost done the series and saw reddit complaints about it. Of course I had a hunch but I wasn’t sure, it became an annoyance halfway through because then I had no way of gauging the danger or serious of a situation or fight.
There’s a million characters in fairy tail, all they had to do was let a couple (2-3) actually die to keep the tension there.
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u/VanGoghHo 21h ago
The fact that the Fairy Tail just so happens to have every strong character that we ever meet (exaggerating obviously but not by much)
If a character is strong magically and not in Fairy Tail l, they somehow become 1000% weaker by the end of the episode.
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u/Ninja_SurgeFairy 12h ago
I wouldn't say this is an exaggeration not by much. No disrespect, but it's a pretty strong exaggeration. There's a few characters not in Fairy Tail who aren't 1,000% weaker by an episode's end
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u/TheJimDim 20h ago
The Alvarez arc. So many issues. I don't really care about Brandish and her connection with Lucy. Larcade being Natsu's kinda brother didn't work. Mavis having a child with Zeref and that kid being August was weird and a dumb twist. God Serena was disappointing. Makarov should have died. And, as always, the Lucy naked trope was overdone.
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u/Embarrassed-Leek-940 17h ago
I liked the arc a lot but I felt like it was rushed and the good parts skipped over a lot. I’d also be fine with a break from Lucy all together
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u/BlueSableye777 20h ago
Zancrow dying the way he did. He could've been the perfect villian rival for Natsu, but NOOOO 🙄
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u/the_OG_epicpanda 5h ago
Eh, once Natsu became able to eat Zancrow's flames it was wraps for him and he'd have gotten stomped in every subsequent fight.
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u/SavageBeast215 21h ago
I think Mira is a waste of a character. Supposedly strong and one of the heavy hitters of FT, but in 95% of the series she has no use, or very uninteresting feats. To me she just seems like a character that is just there as a goalpost to be moved. Oh “This enemy is stronger than Mira!” Then they beat her, proving they’re stronger, then a new enemy comes along and then BAM “Woah, they’re stronger than Mira again” bruh. Make her strong and let her HELP, instead of just being the bartender.
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u/Morgoth333 21h ago
There's an actual term for that phenomenon you are describing. It's called the Worf effect.
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u/KingKaos420- 19h ago
I do not care for the huge tits and unrealistic body proportions.
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u/Conscious-Ringing 7h ago
Fairy tail has made me immune to this sort of thing in anime but recently Mashima has being drawing some insane proportions. That’s kinda hard to ignore 😂 kinana is one example for me that actually made me go “oh….wow…ok”
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u/New_Stranger3345 15h ago
Finally someone who makes sense. They do erza so dirty sometimes
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u/ComfortableMaybe7 11h ago
Genuinely liked early fairy tail better for this because they looked at least a little normal. What the hell was going ok I'm dragon cry
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u/Carson_cwc 21h ago
Edolas
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u/Dee-jay365 8h ago
Edolas definitely could’ve been done better, the way it was just shut off at the end and the majority of the exceeds disappeared made it feel like it was all for nothing
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u/UnbiasedGod 21h ago
The magic system being tied to positive emotions.
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u/Donkey_Don 16h ago
To be fair: Naruto and Dragon Ball have also an emotion based power system. Only Frieren, HxH and JoJo's have a well balanced power system.
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u/the-food-is-alright 22h ago
Nalu, I know people on here love it but I think it insists upon itself
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u/Blazer1011p 22h ago
What
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u/the-food-is-alright 20h ago
It insists upon itself
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u/Blazer1011p 20h ago
What does that even mean?
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u/doritoes_and_dick 13h ago
I think it means that most people in the fandom think it's profound, and often get carried away by it and make it a focal point of the series. When in reality, it's self-referential and pretentious. You're just expected to love it because of all the hints and build up over the years.
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u/Blazer1011p 13h ago
Oh I know that. We were playing out the scene from this meme lol
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u/the-food-is-alright 9h ago
It takes forever getting in, you spend like 80 hours and nothing- I mean I’ve never even seen the movies
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u/Blazer1011p 9h ago
How can you say you don't like it if you haven't even given it a chAnce
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u/the-food-is-alright 8h ago
I’ve tried on 3 separate occasions to get through it and I just can’t do it,
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u/Blazer1011p 8h ago
But they're a great couple. They have so many moments together. Not to mention great characters.
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u/Blazer1011p 22h ago
Powerscaling. I don't care about all the power of friendship stuff. In just about every episode, they get hurt, scream about their friends getting hurt, cry, get stronger while screaming about their family, cry some more, win and cry. Grey looses his clothes, they go right back to being weak for the next villain.
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u/FarawayObserver18 19h ago
Powerscalers have ruined shonen. Actually scratch that, they ruin basically any media. Why can’t we just enjoy our characters?
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u/legacyoverseer 23h ago
I do not like jellal, nor how his character arc has been handled so far.
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u/radilee21 20h ago
I'm curious as to why you feel this way? I feel like Jellal is up there with Gajeel, Lucy, and Wendy as far as examples of well developed FT characters.
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u/whosaidihadaplan 8h ago
Idk about how this guy feels but for me personally I find people say that a lot when I really do think he's all that well developed. His redemption arc isn't really a redemption arc it's just a retcon, he comes in and is immediately good and erza is totally fine with it, he doesn't ever have to work to repair any of his broken relationships everyone's just kinda cool with him now and if they aren't cool with him their presented as being wrong for doing so. It still could have been a good redemption arc if after it being revealed he was under control the whole time he actually has to work to regain erza's trust, because regardless of who's fault it is the pain is still there and their relationship is still damaged, but because he doesn't it doesn't feel like he had to face any consequences for his actions and thus the redemption arc feels cheaper.
Bear in mind when I say consequences i don't mean jail. Jail is just a bad thing happening to him it doesn't actually do anything to repair his relationship with erza or anyone else. Punishment only works as a consequence if your character is not going to be redeemed, in a redemption arc the consequences that matter are the ones on OTHER PEOPLE (ie the damage done to erza, millianna and all their other friends as a result of his actions). Those are the consequences jellal needed to be faced with and atone for in order for the redemption to feel completed, but because he either never has to face those consequences or if he does the victim is presented as being in the wrong the redemption feels unearned
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u/Lazy__Procrastinator 4h ago
He was imprisoned, tortured in jail, sentenced to death, and had to live as a fugitive afterward. And you think there were no consequences?
Jellal didn’t ask to be brainwashed and have years of his life controlled by Ultear, yet he endured all of that. Who fixes that for him? Yes, Milliana suffered, Erza suffered, Kagura suffered, but that’s not Jellal’s fault he’s a victim who was under Ultear’s mind control. Why isn’t the fact that Jellal is a victim of Ultear taken into account? Just because he feels guilty? He also feels guilty for not protecting his mother, to the point where he doesn’t even use his real name. Does that make him guilty of that too, just because he feels responsible?
What’s truly undeserved is people acting like Jellal chose to be brainwashed or that he’s to blame for it.
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u/Conscious-Ringing 7h ago
SAME about not liking how he’s being handle currently, like he and erza already talked about forgiving himself and he’s like “yeah” and then he literally goes back to that same way of thinking and it’s like.. ugh we’ve been already wrap it up 😭
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u/Strawhaterza 22h ago
I do not care for Juvia, she’s a one note character with an unfunny overdone gag that undermines Gray’s character and potential in the series 🤔
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u/FarawayObserver18 19h ago
I know right 😭. I don’t even hate her, but I hate what Mashima’s done to her character by reducing her to only being obsessed with one person.
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u/Dippytrippy122 22h ago
Yeah, same. She has very rare moments where she’s close to other FT members and I keep hoping her character will be expanded upon. It never happens lol
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u/xx_purplehalo_xx 21h ago
I completely agree - we'll probably all get downvoted to hell but at least we're in the same boat
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u/kitten-cats 12h ago
Her friendships with Meredy and Gajeel is so much more interesting to watch but it’s so annoying that most of what they talk about is Gray…just let her be a character separate from her love for him. And other characters pressuring Gray to date her just because she’s obsessed with him even though he openly and repeatedly says he’s not interested is icky to me.
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u/doritoes_and_dick 13h ago
I really dislike her. She's boring, her whole personality centers around her obsession with Gray. Also, her appearance at the beginning was quite unique. She was gothic looking, not as cute or obviously beautiful as the other women. I actually liked that, it made her more interesting looking. Now she's just a carbon copy of everyone else.
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u/Conscious-Ringing 7h ago
I lowwwwkey agree she used to be very annoying to me when I was younger, honestly she’s more tolerable now that I’ve grown and has also been tolerable for me as grey finally acknowledged her as his love interest so she’s been kinda cooking down. Hell i don’t hate her but I found myself liking juvina-sama more..
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u/driftpsycho94 15h ago
The whole concept of the jiggle butt gang in any iteration i would literally skip to the next episode or the protags playing their roles also the whole super buff owlman character really sucked
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u/Fluffy_Staff2292 21h ago
I kinda of feel like the bonds of friendship theme that the show has are undercut by the grey/juvia & erza/jellal romantic sideplots. Not only are they uninteresting, take away from relevant plot time, & make all characters involved much more irritating than they are independently (I love both Erza & Jellal but I can't stand their scenes together), but they force the actually well written themes of the story like friendship, trust, found family, etc, to take a backseat to "my most important bond is a romantic tsundere relationship to a girl who's only personally trait is being obsessed with me."
There's a reason Natsu has never once shown that Lucy is more to him than a member of his guild & family, & I think the Nalu shippers could use a reminder of that
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u/FarawayObserver18 19h ago
I think this is one of the reasons why early Fairy Tail is so charming. I remember I loved that there was so little emphasis on romance at the beginning of the series. Don’t get me wrong, the later parts of Fairy Tail are also great (especially Tartarus arc), but the romantic plot threads really do get in the way of the overall narrative and themes.
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u/abbzeh 13h ago
I don’t care for August, specifically his parentage. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that Mashima decided that Mavis, who was physically fourteen, should have a child. IMO, he should have kept the thing that ‘killed’ her as being a kiss, not what it became.
Also hate Larcade more than nearly any other character. I hate his magic so so much and it makes me so uncomfortable.
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u/Any_Ad492 22h ago edited 21h ago
Didn’t really care about August’s death, he was in his 90s, he shouldn’t be caring so much about his mom not hugging him anymore. And so many characters had more tragic pasts but somehow turned out better, at very least they have other people to think about before they die: Gray, Minerva, Zeref, Mavis, pretty much all the Tower of Heaven kids.
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u/Red2019Wolf 22h ago
Safe space....I find Natsu a boring protagonist, do not care about him
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u/Dirty_Dragons 6h ago
There is way too much Natsu in this show. With such a great cast he shouldn't solely resolve every problem.
I really don't like that he basically beat Amigelodia 1-1 with a power boost from the other Dragon Slayers. They didn't do shit.
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u/Romulo_Gabriel 12h ago
Why?
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u/ShadowOfDeath94 2h ago
Natsu from episode 1 all the way to the most recent 100YQ episode is practically the same character with power buffs. He hasn't matured a single bit and isn't bothered with the battles and struggles he went through.
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u/Romulo_Gabriel 2h ago
Natsu has painted erza face in a episode knowing full well she will be angry at him this show him character development.
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u/JikaApostle 22h ago edited 6h ago
I did not care for most of the Grand Magic Games. Fits the scene pictured too because I also think the arc insists upon itself.
Don’t get me wrong, I like what it does for world building and placing an arc that naturally includes all these guilds after 7 years of either not seeing them or ever meeting them.
My biggest issue comes with how forced Fairy Tail’s underdog narrative feels. I get it, they’re coming off a 7 year stint of being bums(I dislike how little they did with those remaining members, I lowkey think Romeo being in the GMG would’ve worked instead of Elfman to further his character). But even so, anyone with a little knowledge of the magic world would recognize they just got back a wizard Saint, all 4 S-Class wizards, 2 Phantom Lord S-Classes(they were the 2nd strongest guild 7 years ago btw), alongside everyone else.
They immediately begin booing Fairy Tail too, and only Fairy Tail, they got through first time preliminaries with over 100 teams, which should tell the fans that this iteration isn’t fodder, not only that, but they have 2 teams in. The crowd continues to hate them in particular for what feels like no reason.
There’s also a few things I’m rather iffy about before I get to my second main point:
Mirajane not getting a real fight, also not making the team over Gray or Gajeel
Jellal taking a spot from what could’ve been literally anyone from the guild(Romeo, Max, Lisanna, Cana from the start)
How Fairy Tail has like 6-7/10 strongest characters(Jellal, Laxus, Jura, Ivan, Erza, Mirajane, Kagura, Minerva, Natsu, Lyon/Gray/Gajeel). Further taking away from their underdog narrative.
But something that has managed to rub me the wrong way the entire arc is the motivations of the guild, their interactions with Sabretooth, and how it’s concluded.
Fairy Tail joins the GMG largely to become number one in Fiore, Makarov wants the money too but never denies this. What does the GMG end up being? ~80% fighting. What’s a big part of winning a fight? Strength. Enter Sabretooth stage right, who are the current top guild and value strength above all else. Through the first few days of the games, they’re arrogant, which is some level of deserved because of their standing and performances, but then Minerva is hit with the Mashima antagonist special and is actually just a horrible person, and now Sabretooth is going to defend her.
Fairy Tail is rightfully mad, for Lucy’s injuries, for Yukino’s treatment by the guild. Natsu straight up tells the Sabretooth guild that you fight for your guild mates and they’re your family.
What does Natsu do when he and Gajeel fight Sting and Rogue? Pushes Gajeel out of the fight and solos them. This fight encapsulates everything I dislike about the arc.
Proving Sabretooth’s ideas that strength is everything is wrong and you should respect and cherish your friends? Natsu disrespects Gajeel by pushing him down a minecart and then overwhelms a unison raid, A FUCKING MOVE USED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, through brute force(aka strength). He beats the teammates working together by just being stronger
Fairy Tail is an underdog? Of the 12 people Fairy Tail has in the GMG, Natsu is at best the 5th strongest and at worst 7th, and he just defeated 2 of the strongest opponents by himself.
Jellal being allowed to participate by Mavis? She thinks it gives them a higher chance of winning, Mavis chooses to ignore the fact that an actual member of her guild was being pushed aside in favor of a criminal because he’s strong.
I haven’t even touched the second half of this arc and this is a full on yap session, good god.
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u/JikaApostle 6h ago
Coming back in now because I have time, but I want to touch on the second half of the GMG arc now(basically where 2014 starts off).
I dislike how fodderized Sabretooth feels in the finale. Rogue going down 1v1 to Gajeel works, and is probably their most honorable defeat, Minerva’s defeat is fine too. Orga gets one shot, Rufus loses to Gray in a fight Mavis didn’t even know whether or not he could win by just coming up with new spells, and Sting…we’ll get back to you, buddy.
I understand Mavis is a strategic genius, and I get that realistically of the 30 participants in the battle royale, her team fields 4 top 10 fighters(everyone but Juvia, who herself is like, top 15? Top 20? I don’t have a comprehensive ranking). But that just makes it feel even harder to find the whole “Fairy Tail is the underdog” idea moot because when you have half the strongest fighters in a 6 team competition, as well as one of the greatest stategic minds in your verse on your side, it doesn’t work.
Fairy Tail also continually battles beyond what they should be capable of. Gray faces Rufus, a fight that pushes him a fair amount, then goes up against Lyon, someone who was relative 7 years ago, and should be a fair bit stronger but isn’t. Depending on where you scale Wendy, Chelia, and Juvia, it’s not outlandish if the Gruvia pair can match them, especially when they get distracted. But I don’t know man. It feels like Fairy Tail has to beat every other ace.
The Rune Knights suck but that’s pure subjectivity over the writing flaws I’m looking at in the arc.
I think the eclipse gate stuff is fine, Ultear’s sacrifice only gaining a minute of time, but saving so many people is nice. But I gotta loop back around to the main man himself: Sting Eucliffe, you thought shit was sweet.
I love this guy too much, his introduction and his character gave him so much potential to be something greater than he ended up being. When we meet Sting(and Rogue), he’s a rather simple character: Natsu, but more arrogant(because Natsu IS arrogant) and generally an asshole due to Sabretooth’s ways and the false memories of killing Weisslogia. His change into generally a more mild mannered Natsu is nice. But Sting from the moment Minerva tortures Lucy to his surrender in the battle royale is straight up bitchmade. He’s grinning at Fairy Tail, chuckling at Lucy’s torture? Why? What justified him feeling that way, he was egotistical, not psychotic. During the 2v2, he gets embarrassed alongside his best friend because Natsu needs his big moment. For this failure, his exceed gets murked, and he does regain aura for a bit by killing Jiemma. But I guess bro liked feeling that way because he spends the entire battle royale aura farming in the shadows like ok bruh we see the fit.
And then he loses all that aura by getting stared down!?, THEIR ENTIRE TEAM IS COMING OFF EXTREME DIFFS, THE ONLY TEAMMATE OF YOURS WHO DIDN’T PUT THE HURT ON ANY OF THEM WAS ORGA. It’s such a depressing scene because he could’ve just started dog walking them, maybe even taken a few out, but seeing the remaining members continue to get up and fight him, he gives up, he can’t keep doing it. But no, Fairy Tail goes “your aura is ours now, bitch boy”
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u/VivaciousOveride8086 20h ago
You summed it up really well lol. Even when I turn my brain off I wouldn't say Natsu vs the twin dragons is a fight I really like (and this is coming from someone that likes Natsu most of the time). I think while gmg does have cool moments, it's a little lost in its overall direction, maybe it's because there are too many characters to keep track of, but still.
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u/JikaApostle 13h ago
I definitely think the 7 year gap should’ve been expanded on so we could gradually get acquainted with them. Blue Pegasus and Lamia Scale were both already set up, Raven Tail just needed a reintroduction. And with 2 fairy tail teams, thats 5/8 already being familiar to the fans, meaning you just need to go over the rise of Sabretooth, some stuff about Mermaid Heel, and maybe introduce Quattro Cerberus and give Bacchus some actual Erza level feats so when he matches with Elfman you know he’s a threat
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u/ComfortableMaybe7 11h ago
Always hated the sting and rogue vs natsu fight as a gajeel fan tbh. Being an erza lover watching gmg and being a Lucy and gajeel lover watching gmg leads to some serious emotional whiplash
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u/akari0413 9h ago edited 9h ago
Mashima really tried hard in the tournament to force Lucy to lose and I would even say he had to resort to bad writing for that.
An important tournament like that but there is no security so that no one outside the fights can interrupt? Characters who are aware that Raven Tail and Flare cheated but don't say anything?
Even against Minerva, Aquarius leaving Lucy just because, the spirits can summon themselves using Lucy's magic even without Lucy having the keys with her but it never happened, where were you horologium? lol
Anyway, it's sad to be a lucy fan and see the tournament part even though initially lucy had a good power up, At least we had Mashima's redemption and very good moments of Lucy in the eclipse.
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u/JikaApostle 9h ago
Horologium is like Spiderman in family guy, everyone gets one(save per arc) and she needed it for the fight against the rune knights
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u/ComfortableMaybe7 8h ago
Fr like watching gmg as an erza fan is like so good cuz she gets easily some of the best fights/ moments the entire arc meanwhile being a Lucy fan is having my goat be demolished over and over for no damn reason
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u/JamTop1105 14h ago
How Fairy Tail has like 6-7/10 strongest characters(Jellal, Laxus, Jura, Ivan, Erza, Mirajane, Kagura, Minerva, Natsu, Lyon/Gray/Gajeel). Further taking away from their underdog narrative.
Are you talking about the Fairy Tail guild itself? Half of those characters aren't even in the guild...
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u/JikaApostle 14h ago
I’m talking about how the guild fields 6-7 of the 10 strongest wizards in the games
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u/loki-salazar 20h ago
Everyone bringing up great points in the comments yet my first thought it Nalu it’s one of my least favourite ships 😭
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u/Uhuhuhu11 19h ago
Contrary to what her fans say, Mirajane is not as strong as Erza, let alone stronger.
“But she has more hax!” - What’s the point of having haxes if your opponent will just snipe you in one hit?
“She stalemated Skullion!” - Erza defeated Misaki.
“If you replace Erza with Mirajane in her fights, she can do better in her fights.” - She doesn’t have the capacity to take a hit, neither does she have the stamina to deal with any of Erza’s opponents. Hell, I don’t think she’ll be able to survive Kyoka’s torture chamber.
“She was traumatized” Valid, but starting in the Grand Magic Games, she honestly has no excuses. Lisanna’s back, and she had three whole months to train.
“She has Macro!” - The same Macro that can’t even take out less than 20 henchmen?
“Alegria wipes out an entire ocean!” - She can barely sustain Alegria for over a minute, and Erza destroyed an entire island with the Armadura Fairy in the first season, with her arguably at her lowest due to Edolas’ inferior natural magic energy.
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u/NoZone5413 10h ago
Natsu I just find him annoying. I like most of the other characters and the story is okay so I finished it but that guy yeah no.
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u/Broad-Season-3014 8h ago
The alternate universe crap. Huge waste of time and hardly mattered in the long run.
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u/doritoes_and_dick 12h ago edited 12h ago
Piggybacking off of someone else, but I dislike Juvia. Easily my least liked character in the whole series, she annoys me to no end. Also, I hate how her appearance changed over time. I loved her more scary gothic look when she first appeared, now she's been cutified to look exactly like everyone else. She was quite unique looking before.
I honestly don't care for most of the ships. I'm the type of person who only really obsesses over my favourite character's ships and that's it (in this case, Lucy). Everything else is kinda background noise. I do feel like certain ships (Gruvia) shouldn't have happened, though. It's become so forced and I feel Gray would have been better off single.
Also, Erza is the most overrated female in the series by far. I like her, she's cool, but it's annoying she gets all the recognition. She's been built up to be so OP, I don't think she's that impressive.
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u/mactastic90 21h ago
I absolutely hate that zeref and Mavis were a couple. For one thing, she had the body of a thirteen year old child, and zeref slept with her, he's a pedophile. Also, he was an evil evil man, the fact that she still loves him after he did so many cruel things, especially to those she cares about baffles me. Words cannot express how much I genuinely hate them as a couple
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u/Dirty_Dragons 6h ago
It doesn't make any sense either. He couldn't even sleep with her because she would have gone into the coma after the first touch. Then we're supposed to believe that she had a child growing while she was in stasis?
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u/XBakaTacoX 11h ago
I would have preferred if Mavis and Zeref had a thing going, but Mavis saw that he was way too evil, and then she decides that she will never want to be with him.
It's pretty cliche, "Oh, I love you, but you're evil, so I'm not gonna be your girlfriend." but the relationship, even though I did like their past, was a bit off.
I get how they could connect, that was nice, but a relationship didn't work well in my opinion.
I suppose it's very much in tone for Fairy Tail though, as it's "Love and friendship conquers all".
Mavis forgiving Zeref for all of the evil stuff he has done was very odd. She didn't really think that through, now did she? I thought she was supposed to be a strategist? Haha.
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u/melascula-of-faith 19h ago
I did not care for jellal and heavenly body magic
Hes...fine ig And the magic is just, stars and meteors n shit
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u/IWillEatTheWorld 11h ago
Dude that's crazy cuz I don't like jellal that much but his magic is easily my favorite thing about him
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u/ShadowOfDeath94 15h ago
- Juvia's "love" for Gray: It's just a heavy obsession with little to no regard for privacy.
- Jerza: Brainwashed or not, Jellal haunted Erza for years, killed Simon, tortured Erza, and tried to sacrifice her. I don't mind them loving each other, but I mind it when Erza acts like those things didn't happen. Like, show some reluctance girl.
- The stakes are low as hell: You know the heroes will win without suffering a single loss or lingering trauma.
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u/ComfortableMaybe7 11h ago
Always hated the way all the stuff was swept under the rug between jellal and erza. Like I know it wasn't his fault but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Rather than seeing him earn erza's trust back slowly over time it's all just forgotten and the redemption arc feels so much cheaper because he never has to face any consequences.
(To be clear I know he went to jail but that punishment isn't a valid consequence since he wasn't in control, it's not a consequence of his actions it's just another bad thing happening to him for us to feel bad about. The consequences on other people are the ones that matter and the ones that jellal needs to face and make up for in order for it to be a truly compelling redemption)
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u/rneteora 6h ago
She did though, she's shown signs of feeling guilty for loving Jellal the entire GMG arc.
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u/SassyHoe97 18h ago
The tower of heaven arc put me to sleep. It wasn't that interesting for me.
Lisanna should've stayed dead.
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u/Trexted10 17h ago
One of the only bad things about fairy tail is all of the sexualisation of Wendy and her saying stuff about how small her boobs are
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u/nagrom_nworb 19h ago
Jellal and erza being a couple and pairing. Jellal is also 7 years older than erza now and she should have immense PTSD from this man not Stockholm syndrome, she should despise him entirely because the kid she loved died in that tower now a ghost inhabits his body, because he was reset to nothing not reset to child jellal before corruption, and I don't think he was even really mind controlled unless I missed something it seemed more like he was just manipulated but still believe in everything he was doing
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u/Wynna 14h ago
and I don't think he was even really mind controlled unless I missed something it seemed more like he was just manipulated but still believe in everything he was doing
Ultear says on three different occasions that she magic brainwashed Jellal and that the blame for his actions lies with her. Chapters 102, 263, and 334.
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u/nagrom_nworb 11h ago edited 11h ago
It's been awhile since I read the manga and they didn't say brainwashed in the anime they said "controlled" I believe which could mean a lot of different things but I still stand by the rest of what I said, I always felt iffy about this part of stance as it could definitely have been that it was actual brainwashing but did a rewatch not long ago but haven't gone back to the manga, and as well ultier saying she had him under her control doesn't necessarily mean brainwashed
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u/rneteora 8h ago
This is the second time this week you had to whip out these panels. Whyy do people keep denying something that was made incredibly clear!? Even before Ultear said anything there was an entire page of him being brainwashed. 😭
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u/nagrom_nworb 1h ago
In the manga maybe but I haven't read it since it was coming out and only rewatched the anime and I just couldn't remember if she actually used some brainwashing because of the words they use later to describe what happened and I don't think we ever see ultier use any brainwashing magic again which would be incredibly useful and could be used against other criminals to reform them or even just on guards to let them pass not messing with their minds too much. In the anime it just looked like he got tortured and manipulated I didn't get the sense of full on brainwashing like I did in something like avatar the last Airbender which was incredibly clear. As is my point still stands she only knew jellal for what a year or so at most as a child so she knew that jellal very little and knew the brainwashed evil one for over over 8 years I believe it was 10 to be exact from memory so why the fuck would she ever love this person and so quickly too if it took all of fairytail up to 100 year quest for her to get over the PTSD and trauma and see that child she loved that would be far better and I would be ok with it especially if they get a lot more screen time together because it's really forced and just doesn't make sense, I think it's part of the weaker storytelling from fairytail which otherwise does an incredible job throughout
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u/mactastic90 21h ago
I don't really ship natsu and Lucy. I mean I guess I can see it, but I much prefer natsu and lisanna
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u/Intelligent-Leg-1840 20h ago
Oh boy you better hide before toxic nalu shippers going wish you death
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u/Xx_Dracoleon_xX 15h ago
I didn’t care for Jerza trying to become a thing, I will never see it working.
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u/pink-banded 19h ago
Specifically for the anime how every episode if the Tartaros Arc: Prologue was 10 minutes if recap from the previous episode. watching that week to week on release was such a killjoy
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u/alicekuonjienjoyer 17h ago
I did not care for the blue coat that natsu worse during the arc that the swan dress made shows up in (I forgor names)
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u/mattyice1095 16h ago
Gonna have a weird one but I wanted more Neinhart Magic. I wanted to see more match ups. Part of me really wanted Natsu vs Mard Geer rematch with Mard how will the knowledge he almost killed the END he was trying to “revive”
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u/Ninja_SurgeFairy 11h ago
I've never cared for the Reborn Oración Seis. I know the Zentopia Incident is referenced in canon, but their return here just doesn't feel like it aligns with canon.
They gain power from making sacrifices to God knows what, Sorano's Magic doesn't even work the same way in the future despite her retaining the same Magic as far as we see, Macbeth still seems to care for Brain seven years on from Erik learning how he feel about the Oracion Seis, but then kills him almost immediately after they're released from jail in the Tartaros Arc because of what Erik learned (did Erik not tell him for 7 years and than just decided to tell him between the KotSS Arc and Tartaros? Plausible I guess), etc.
I don't know. Obviously we learned their real names and Kinana was Cubellios (though that was actually revealed in a Manga extra before the KotSS Arc), but it doesn't feel like to me that the Reborn Oración Seis actually fit into canon, like as if it didn't happen or didn't happen that way. And it's always led me to view the KotSS Arc as ambiguously canon, like the Zentopia Incident happened, but maybe differently than we see in the Anime. But that's just my view. Still, I don't feel like the Reborn Seis fit very well in canon.
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u/ComfortableMaybe7 11h ago
Did not like Michelle/imitatia or whatever her name was, no reason really I just found her annoying
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u/shineythingys 9h ago
the arc with lucy’s cousin, it was so confusing and random and also the fact they never let any characters die. a lot of the time letting some characters die off without being revived an episode later would make the story so much more interesting.
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u/_Master_MariK_ 8h ago
I don't like Wendy and would rather Gajeel or Juvia be a part of Team Natsu.
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u/rneteora 8h ago
Gajeel and Levy. Their "romance" not only did nothing for the story, but also negatively impacted their characters. Gajeel was way better on his own than this loverboy persona that he never was, and Levy was made noticeably dumber since she was paired up with Gajeel.
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u/Pickles_Chase 8h ago
Edolas was a canon arc that should've been non-canon filler. It served absolutely no purpose other than be a roundabout way to bring Lisana back to life. Her resurrection didn't contribute anything, and she's a side character whose only significant role was to be Juvia's partner in the S rank test.
Also, taking away Lisanas death removes character building from Natsu and her siblings.
And don't get me started on Mystogan. There were at least half a dozen different explanations for his resemblance to Jellal that are more probable than another world.
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u/Windflow009 8h ago
I never cared for Happy, and I was never bothered by Carla being rude to him at first since he was all up in personal space. Then the scene where he's protecting her makes no sense. She's way stronger than him, and I'm sitting here asking myself "whose gonna protect you?!" .
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u/Thegoodbadandbored 8h ago
The eclipse zodiac arc is horrendous. I genuinely couldn't wait for it to be done.
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u/MegaEvosrule10 7h ago
I did not care for the plot it had such a lazy trope
Main characters train hard have badass arc….next arc some random new characters show up with no foreshadow and beat the crap out of them easy it’s such a lazy annoying plot device used just for the sake of conflict
At least have rumors nodes and shadow silhouettes of badasses that could do that like one piece does perfectly
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u/CheesetheExile 6h ago
The original Oracion Seis should not be free to do as they please. They deserved to serve out the entirety of their jail sentences, especially after the whole Starry Sky mess where they ran the plot that permanently crippled all the celestial spirit mages in the country/continent but for Lucy & Yukino. How many lives did that ruin? That's like someone going around kneecapping Olympic runners live on all the major news channels and getting off with a shrug from the judge.
Angel especially gets a pass from the fandom because "hot", but she was a sadistic murderer before the Seis got dunked and not much better after. I'll be the first to say Karen was a bitch, but she didn't deserve to get killed in a glorified mugging by some mentally-unstable rando.
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u/moonrockks 5h ago
I honestly hate the fake dragonslayers. Why even call them that? Idk always has me thinkin
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u/Hydellas678 3h ago
I did not care for Zeref and I damn sure didn't like his relationship with Mavis. (To me it was disgusting because she was a child and he wasn't)
Also I didn't like how Irene was written off. She was a badass and far more powerful than Zeref imo. The way Erza managed to defeat her (ass pull City) was ridiculous I really didn't like how it was done.
The show went to crap after the Grand Magic Games became a thing imo.
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u/Hefty-Ad4673 21h ago
I don’t know what kind of takes are popular in the community since I recently finished reading but I don’t think too highly of the Tenrou arc, my friends hyped it up so I set my expectations high but I honestly enjoyed Battle of FT more
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u/Relative_Writer8546 19h ago
All the bad guys turn into good guys because Natsu uses the “power of friendship!”
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u/Darkiceflame 11h ago
That's a problem with the shonen genre in general tbh.
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u/Relative_Writer8546 10h ago
Yeah I know, I think it’s weird and can get annoying, but I’m still going to watch it!
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u/mackzorro 18h ago
I did not care for the godslayers magic. It felt like a weird ass pull and has only raised more questions for me that were never answered
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u/the_OG_epicpanda 5h ago
I do not care for Nalu. I'm all for ships, my usual problem is with shippers themselves but that's a discussion for another time, but honestly I don't think everyone NEEDS to wind up in a relationship. Natsu to me is the type of character who fits better into platonic relationships than romantic ones.
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u/MaybeAffectionate579 16h ago
I did not care for Erza winning literally everything because of friendship.
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u/mojizus 18h ago
The writing of FT is worse than just about every other shounen. I still love the series, but I could honestly go on and on about what could be better. It’s a charming show with fun characters, but I can’t help but wish for more.
Everything around Edolas makes no sense and isn’t properly fleshed out. Not to mention Lissana somehow “dying” at the exact same time as an Animus opening?
Makarov “dying” in Alvarez and then being brought back is probably the biggest slap in the face from an author that I’ve ever seen. Multiple chapters, multiple episodes of the guild mourning him. Erza’s moment of stopping the Gray and Natsu fight. All washed away.
The “Fairy Tactician” losing all cognitive function when her boy toy is in the room. Seriously I still cannot believe she just walked up to Zeref. Just bad writing.
Mashima can’t decide whether Lucy should be powerful and helping the guild, or a damsel who gets basically tortured and SA’d every arc. The GMG stuff is just so egregious, just his fetish put onto paper. On par with Videl getting beat by Spopovich for like 3 straight minutes in DBZ.
The way they beat Acno still doesn’t feel right to me. I get that the power of friendship is huge in FT, but it felt way too quick and poorly thought out.
The Grand Magic Games is honestly the best example. Mashima had like 5 different ideas, and barely fleshed any of them out. Raven Tail, the Sabertooth interactions, then just jumping to an inter-dimensional time traveling dragon arc? None of it felt cohesive or complimentary. Just various things happening at the same time that he didn’t really try and connect the dots with.
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u/akari0413 17h ago
Mashima can’t decide whether Lucy should be powerful and helping the guild, or a damsel who gets basically tortured and SA’d every arc.
This is basically a lie, I don't understand the need to lie. really the magic games tournament hurt some people so much that they believe that mashima treated lucy that way in every arc lmao What do you mean Mashima can't decide? Could you give me other examples where Lucy was a damsel who couldn't help and was tortured? I wasn't going to answer anything but reading this surpassed the level of absurdities I expected in these comments.
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u/NeonLuminescence 20h ago
I am glad Erza and Jellal didn't kiss, and their age difference is like Wendy and Mest
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u/Sumer_13 18h ago
I did not care for Laxus's redemption. He should've been in prison, or at the very least, dead.
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