r/dndmemes Paladin Mar 25 '21

No, you’re not chaotic neutral, you’re just an a**hole eDgY rOuGe

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

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u/SemanticSchmitty Mar 25 '21

Just because you are bad guy, doesn’t mean you are bad guy

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u/perp00 Necromancer Mar 25 '21

Yeah, what about the lawful evil guys?

It's in the name, they are lawful.

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u/BrilliantTarget Paladin Mar 25 '21

My laws or your laws

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u/Billybob267 Rogue Mar 25 '21

Dammit. He's caught on!

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u/Dhawkeye Forever DM Mar 26 '21

Depends on the character

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

I always like to run evil campaigns like working at a big corporation. Welcome to LichCorp! You died and have been resurrected by one of our middle manager lich, Keith. Onboarding will start in 15 minutes so grab your free LichCorp robes and goblets from the swag table and come sit by the projector to learn about our mission statement and core values

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u/Diels_Alder Mar 25 '21

This sounds like the first day at Google: "Do be evil".

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

It's pretty fun and makes it easy to set real evil goals while having a framework of rules to discourage murderhoboing, they aren't trolls working in the destruction department so they'll get in trouble with the boss for randomly burning down an orphanage and failing to "stay in their lane"

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u/[deleted] Mar 25 '21

In my first go at WDH, our Draconblood Undying Warlock from the Zhentarim had a pact with Manshoon himself. He started working with the party just to take down the Xanathars and use the wealth to depose Manshoon and take the Zhents for himself, but over time he forged valuable bonds with them- he's still NE and will still try to overthrow, steal and kill with little qualms, but he's turned from a great machinator who would probably murderhobo if solo to the team's Necessary Evil who, for example, would be the one to make the call between sacrificing a commoner to a cult to save a city or leaving the innocent alive and dooming the city, whereas the rest of the party couldn't do either on principle, not even the Vengance paladin- he follows the Fight the Greater Evil tenet but only when faced with conflict. Otherwise, he will not hurt an innocent.

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u/desenpai Mar 25 '21 edited Mar 25 '21

Well no maybe neutral and evil. But inherently good people wouldn’t and don’t get along with evil people. But Tasha’s cauldron is out so nothings real it’s all made up and anything is anything.

Nobody mentioned orphans.

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u/Puzzleboxed Mar 25 '21

They don't need to like each other to work together. In the dungeon anything can happen, and you want reliable allies to have your back. LE is more reliable in that situation than CN. CE is harder to justify, but if they have a backstory reason to stay loyal to the party then it can work.

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u/desenpai Mar 25 '21

Agreed but when that quest is complete, then what. Common goals keep people together in the short term. Comparable party members are long term. I’m not saying we’re all the same lawful good dudes. I’m saying again, there are many ways to give your character life, personality, or conflict. Without sticking an evil character into a non evil campaign.

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u/Hammurabi87 Mar 25 '21

Being evil doesn't mean you can't have friends. It just means you feel no qualms about hurting people who aren't in your circle of friends, IMO. I think it's perfectly reasonable for even a CE character to be able to be close with their party and stab them in the back at the first opportunity.

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u/desenpai Mar 25 '21

Lol but like you just said it stab me in the back at any point. Yes for periods of time they “could get along” have similar goals. But it does not change Who they are, or I guess how they are. So example if we needed answers from a baddie one might persuade, one might bribe, and one will beat the answers out. There are many other examples, of how evil people will inevitably stand out and cause difficult, but not impossible role play.

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u/BeMoreKnope Mar 26 '21

My neutral evil character would only stab his party mates in the back if it came down to an absolute choice between his life or theirs. Besides being his friends and the people who frequently stand between him and death, they’re also just plain useful to him in a variety of ways. He’s even put himself at mild risk for each of them, because he realizes what valuable allies/minions they are and how having such resources makes his plans so much more likely. And since he’s always treated them that way, they view him the same way they view each other. It works very well for everyone, characters and players alike. And my character makes sure to flatter their egos by incorporating them into songs he performs at taverns, so I get to force everyone to listen to me sing which makes it super fun for me!

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u/desenpai Mar 26 '21

I currently play a neutral evil bard hahah!

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u/Hammurabi87 Apr 21 '21

Sorry for the late reply; I've been without internet for nearly a month. I meant to say "[...] and not stab them in the back [...]"

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u/desenpai Apr 21 '21

Case and point, I’m in a evil campaign currently. After a few weeks one of our mates reaches out in group chat string they are not having that much fun and feel left out of role play. We’ve played with him for close to a year. We even play a different campaign with his entirely different character, with out issue. The problem in the evil campaign is he’s a serial killer and is overly short with in role play. A dark horse, a liability, he jeopardizes the party and he knows it. It’s not bad persay but as he has reached out to us claims he’s having less fun then before or even in our other campaign. I’m not saying it can’t be done, I’m saying we’re not professional improv actors and we should be setting ourselves up for success. It’s not about having this wicked cool backstory. But more making the most of the memories we make.

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u/thebeandream Mar 25 '21

I made an evil character. She is a serial killer. However, she takes care to groom everyone around her into believing she is a good person. She does great deeds and won’t show she enjoys killing anyone that isn’t a socially acceptable thing to murder (like drow that kidnapped the party). Meanwhile she carefully sniffs out a quiet place to lure someone no one will miss (like a beggar) and tortures them to death.

For some reason the Dm gave me a demon possessed pet and a cursed sword that makes you kill people who hit you so...now I have excuses for my behavior that I will happily throw under the bus should I get caught.

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u/desenpai Mar 25 '21

That’s a big leap from “don’t mesh” All I’m saying is mixing alignments makes for precarious role play.