r/benshapiro • u/American_Streamer "Here's the reality" • Sep 01 '22

"You conservatives are powerless. Your AR-15s mean nothing. You'd need a squadron of F-15s to fight back against the government. Even then you'd certainly lose. Also, you nearly overthrew the republic on January 6th." - Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., #46 Other Daily Wire Members

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u/-KissmyAthsma- Sep 01 '22

If our AR's mean nothing. Why are they so hell bent on taking them from us?

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u/ExpertImportance134 Sep 01 '22

I’ll take my AR-15 & shove it 15 inches up their ass

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u/asuhdah Sep 01 '22

No one is hell bent on taking them from upstanding citizens, we're hell bent on making sure homicidal maniacs can't waltz up to the old gun store and grab one no problem.

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u/my_downvote_account Sep 01 '22

No one is hell bent on taking them from upstanding citizens

Please continue. Don’t let those pesky facts get in the way of your opinion.

And don’t forget darling of the left Beta O’Rourke, too.

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u/asuhdah Sep 01 '22

The House has a majority right now. Have they passed a ban on assault weapons or AR-15s?

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u/my_downvote_account Sep 01 '22

Were those goalposts heavy as you moved them?

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22

The Dems have had a majority several times since I heard this talking point that “my guns are being taken away.” What am I to conclude, that it’s really happening this time? Have those guns of yours been taken away?

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u/my_downvote_account Sep 02 '22

Your statement:

No one is hell bent on taking them from upstanding citizens

I provided evidence that you are wrong. Period, end of discussion.

You can try to move the goalposts as much as you want - the fact remains that the Dems would very much like to take the guns away, as they have said multiple times.

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

Fair enough mate, I’m sure it’s just right around the corner. I support your right to own an assault weapon, so long as you can prove yourself an upstanding citizen unlikely to kill innocent people.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

Funny you mentioned that, because they actually tried, read what the new assault weapons ban included you might learn something.

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u/newyearshowdy Sep 01 '22

Your not taking away a literal right you take it from the cazy people and it slowly turns into Taking from the rest of the people sometimes a crazy person gets a gun that's the risk of freedom and if more Americans owned guns it would not even matter example

10 guys walks into a bank with a gun and nobody else in the bank has a gun. chances are everyone is going to do what the robber says

10 guys break into a bank with a gun there say 20 people in the bank all 20 people have a gun in there chances are the 10 robbers are going to end up doing what the upstanding citizens say.

It always start with let's take away rights from crazy people and always ends with nobody has any rights and the government is fucked

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22

More like there will be an extremely deadly shootout with large numbers of civilians killed. There’s no society on the planet that has ever operated according to your “everyone has a gun” utopia. The USA has the most guns and is the most dangerous developed country in the world, and your solution is to double the guns lol

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u/newyearshowdy Sep 02 '22

Uh all those other nations without guns would get there ass kicked if a war broke up against there government and no citizens would get hurt because what if it was 20 citizens and 1 man with a gun trying to rob the bank thoes 20 people with the gun will smoke the one guy your mentally slow if you think constitutional rights need to be taken " Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22

A heavily armed society with a bunch of lunatics who can’t think clearly and are terrified out of their mind thinking people are out to get them is a recipe for high gun violence. Which is exactly what the USA has.

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u/newyearshowdy Sep 02 '22

Stop repeating yourself and tell your justification for taking away civil rights

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22

Mass shootings and mass gun violence is a reason to put sensible restrictions in certain places. We already don't let children have guns, or convicted felons....I guess you could call that restricting civil rights too as felons and children are still citizens, but most would consider it sensible regulation. I'm just saying to conduct deeper background checks for young people, look into their social media and require them to provide character references, etc.....the overwhelming majority of Americans support things like this.

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u/newyearshowdy Sep 02 '22

Mass shootings and mass gun violence is a reason to put sensible restrictions in certain places

You do realize that all liberal states with the most restrictions on guns have the most gun shootings plus I've already explained how more guns is the anwser

We already don't let children have guns, or convicted felons....I guess you could call that restricting civil rights too

Convicted felons would technically be restrictions on rights as for children they do have guns they dont have handguns but they do have rifles

I'm just saying to conduct deeper background checks for young people, look into their social media and require them to provide character references, etc.....the overwhelming majority of Americans support things like this.

No 😂 they dont Americans really want the right to privacy and we dont have it but it would solve so many promblems for both Republicans and Democrats there are more Republicans then Democrats and the rest of the election is the independent party study's suggest that most independent are starting to lean right so no they dont support this lmfao

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u/asuhdah Sep 02 '22

You can look up public opinion data on this, but I'm sure you won't. Republicans and Democrats both agree 70%+ that stricter background checks are a good thing. 90%+ believe that people with mental illness should be restricted from gun ownership.

Independents are not leaning right at all, Republicans still are competitive due to the electoral college and gerrymandering. But they haven't won a national popular vote since 2004. But given the Republicans massively expanding government involvement in reproductive healthcare, I think they're in freefall at the moment.

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u/newyearshowdy Sep 02 '22

Defend yourself dont be a bitch that needs to be dependent on the government to defend yourself against each other

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Because you won’t defeat the US government with AR-15s but you can defeat the local elementary school with AR-15s.

I’m not saying your guns should be taken away, but come on, you know why people don’t want you to have them.

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u/my_downvote_account Sep 01 '22

AR rifles have been around since the 60s. School shootings were exceedingly rare until the early 2000s

Why is that?

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Because gun supply has greatly increased since 2007 so more people who shouldn’t have access have access. Combine that with states having differing laws, increased mental illness, socioeconomic factors, etc… you have the recipe for more shootings

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Not sure; maybe people got crazier. Obviously guns aren’t walking into schools and killing people by themselves.

I was answering the question “why are they so hell bent from taking guns from us?” Because they think that will reduce the number of mass shootings.

An assault rifle means nothing in the context of me, a citizen, taking on the strongest and most well-funded military in the world. An assault rifle means a lot in different context.

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u/Noremac420 Sep 02 '22

You alone or even a small group? Sure. In large numbers?

This entire line of thinking is glaringly naive. Was reading another sub with a bunch of morons circle-jerking about this. I swear they all must be kids with no world experience to believe that. They seriously think that US military personnel would willingly fire on their own friends and families?

If there truly was a war to break out, the military would fragment, insurgencies would rise, shit would hit the fan. And yes, small arms do make a difference, and there's plenty of real world historical examples to back that up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

No, I don’t think military personnel would fire on their own friends and families. The military isn’t going to attack citizens. They would defend themselves from armed citizens if they were fired upon. But the idea that the military is going to “come for you”, and that you can defend yourselves with your AR-15’s is fiction.

If society breaks down and shit hits the fan, yeah I’d agree that having a rifle can go a long way. But not in an armed conflict between citizens and the military. Having guns isn’t going to help you, it’s going to make you a target.

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u/misterforsa Sep 01 '22

Doing ding. These dummies LOVE to feign ignorance. Your downvotes evidence that they further hate being called out for it.

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u/Impressive_Region508 Sep 01 '22

Well if this was libturd subreddit you'd be perma banned by now.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

True. Or a Trump subreddit, or r/conservative. Its pretty much all of reddit, not just the liberals. Most people don't want to hear opposing viewpoints on their subreddit, they just want to have the beliefs they already hold reinforced.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Yep and people don’t realize they’re putting themselves into echo chambers

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22

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u/A_Marth_Clone Sep 01 '22

So because someone broke the law, I should have to give up my rights? Sounds like someone who can't use critical thinking to tell the difference between an innocent man and an evil one. Also your link is far from convincing for anything except me wanting to teach more people how to buy and use guns to protect themselves from people like those.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22

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u/A_Marth_Clone Sep 01 '22

Gun safety and maintenance used to be taught in schools. It should be brought back. You know as well as I those cops are scum and each one should be charged with manslaughter. As for teachers, if a teacher goes through a psychiatric exam, and qualifies for concealed carry, should be allowed to carry so long as the arm remains hidden and on their person at all times. I notice you simply replied with talking points of how you believe conservatives view other people. And if you want to talk about killing kids, let's talk about gang violence. Keeping in mind of course that those gangs often have illegally obtained firearms, meaning you can't even enforce the laws in place now, and yet you want to punish innocent people who own a gun. Are you going to personally come and take it? Or will you get big daddy government to do it for you so you feel safe?

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u/A_Marth_Clone Sep 01 '22

Also, teenagers aren't legally allowed to obtain them. At least, not HS aged teens. Any restriction to my right violates my right. If I have to pay the government to exercise my right, it isnt a right. And what you suggest opens the door to people being denied their rights, not due to any crime or fault of their own, but due to opinions which the government may not like. This scenario wouldn't be dissimilar to Obama using the IRS to target republicans

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u/getvig1 Sep 01 '22

That Old Dimocrat has me shaking in my boots. Little does he realize that probably 10% of soldiers when ordered to fire on their own people would follow the orders and the other 90% would turn on them.

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u/CaptainThunderTime Sep 01 '22

Is that the infantry themselves? Back at the logistics troops?

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u/ineedabuttrub Facts don’t care about your feelings Sep 01 '22

So the 90% would fire on their fellow soldiers, who somehow aren't their own people?

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u/Mattstunts17 Sep 01 '22

Bc that 10% are liberals and will side with their own so yeah the 90% will obliterate them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Yeah! Liberals are gonna kill you! And conservatives are gonna save you!

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u/Mattstunts17 Sep 01 '22

Lmfao you do understand I’m part of that 90% right?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

So you are in the military, and think your fellow servicemen who are liberals are going to try open fire on American citizens and try to kill you?

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u/Mattstunts17 Sep 01 '22

I’m retired but I’m not siding with the government if it came down to it. I sticking by the citizens. I’m not a puppet like you.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

LOL.

Your bitchass didn’t serve.

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u/DrOliverClozov Sep 02 '22

Found the keyboard warrior.

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u/asuhdah Sep 01 '22

Liberals are going to fire on their own people, causing the conservatives to fire on them. Lol wtf

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

That's what liberals do, you fool! They kill people, and they eat babies.

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u/bigjaymizzle Sep 02 '22

Good South Park reference.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

South Park is referencing Qanon with the baby eating. The Qanon belief is that democrats eat babies and something about it keeps them from aging or something.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

You totally owned him bruh!

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Yeah right! Almost overthrew the government with no weapons! If that’s the case, what do I need with an F15!

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u/ineedabuttrub Facts don’t care about your feelings Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

There were weapons there.

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Edit: Hoo boy, sounds like the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd has some pretty strong feelings about this specific fact.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Facts have no place in a thread of feelings.

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

Facts have no place in this sub apparently

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u/Kody_Z Sep 01 '22

Ok, so four people out of a couple hundred had a weapon of some sort.

The argument still stands. If private citizens owning 300 million firearms are so powerless against the government, how did a couple hundred people with only four weapons almost overthrow the government?

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

Because they literally had the backing of the president who was attempting his own self coup at the time. This really isn't hard to understand

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u/Kody_Z Sep 01 '22

Lol.

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

That's about the response I expected

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u/Kody_Z Sep 01 '22

Well, there was no coup attempt, so what do you expect?

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

And I thought facts didn't care about your feelings

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u/brendude313 Sep 01 '22

He literally never said to take over the government. Please link an uncut clip of what he said at the rally on Jan 6th please if you disagree.

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

And Manson didn't actually murder anyone and yet.......

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u/brendude313 Sep 01 '22

I'm waiting because you obviously disagree with facts.

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

"Woosh" completely missing the point

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u/dietcheese Facts don’t care about your feelings Sep 01 '22

This sub hates facts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Yes, an unarmed female military veteran was shot in the neck and died right there!

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u/ineedabuttrub Facts don’t care about your feelings Sep 02 '22

Sounds like she fucked around and found out.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

You right, ARs can’t stop the US government. We need AKs!

People armed with AK’s and flip flops fight the “greatest” military force on the planet to a standstill for twenty years.

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u/Jiveturkey72 Sep 01 '22

To be fair, they did it to the British, the soviets and then us.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

I mean the government failed to invade the Appalachian mountains twice so our chances are pretty good.

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u/CaliforniaWhiteBoy Sep 01 '22

Should've mentioned the fact that they're fighting tooth and nail to ban the weapon that is supposedly powerless

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u/studio28 Sep 01 '22

It’s very good for killing elementary students.

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 01 '22

Careful. They downvote you for telling the truth in here.

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u/CaliforniaWhiteBoy Sep 02 '22

Pop quiz: how fast does the bullet of an AR-15 travel compared to other rifles?

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 02 '22

Pop quiz: which gun is responsible for the mass shootings with the most casualties?

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u/CaliforniaWhiteBoy Sep 02 '22

Probably Glocks or Hi-Points. Since you probably don't know, those are handguns.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

Over 50% of all mass shootings are committed with a handgun, rifles siting at 13%. Any other stupid comments?

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u/studio28 Sep 02 '22

The average death per case with handguns only have half the number of the average casualties. What you bring up isn’t exactly relevant. I say again, it’s because they’re good for killing elementary students.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

?? So are rocks and bad nannies. Even if you some how managed to get every gun in the country, what’s that going to solve. The assassination of Shinso Abe already proved that even in a “gun free” country, you can never get rid of fire arms. And gotta love the appeal to ethos.

Stats show that this wouldn’t help anyth—

BUT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL CHILDREN!

That’s you. Kinda ironic that you’re using children as a shield while talking about school shootings.

Edit*

Also source on that handgun fact?

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u/studio28 Sep 02 '22

Here’s a an article that matches your query:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/data-confirm-semiautomatic-rifles-linked-to-more-deaths-injuries/

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

Interesting… definitely warrants looking into. Coulple concerns though.

  1. ScientificAmerica has a known bias
  2. Dina Fine Maron the author, is a wildlife crime expert… talking about guns, and is an avid DNC supporter, so maybe a little biased
  3. And slightly picky but this is also a .com, so not the best type of site to use as a source.

Honestly though thanks for actually backing up your claim. Now I’m going to go through all of these studies mentioned and see if they actually reflect what the author was saying.

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u/CaliforniaWhiteBoy Sep 02 '22

Pop Quiz: how fast does the bullet of an AR-15 travel compared to other rifles?

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

He calls others “semi-fascists” but that comment and comments like this one make him sound like the tyrant.

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u/understand_world Sep 01 '22

[P] He is painting everyone with one stripe. For or against the nation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Sounds like a tyrant.

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u/Stout_Gamer Sep 01 '22

... "Also, you nearly overthrew the republic on January 6th with selfie sticks and viking hats." - Robinette Jr.

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u/Mycolt5454 Sep 01 '22

Has anyone asked the F-15 pilots if they'd follow orders to attack civilians on US soil? I'm willing to bet few if none would make that call. The things democrats say are getting more outrageous every day.

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u/Toolaa Sep 01 '22

It sure does not seem likely today, because we still believe that the military and the citizens of the US are on the same side. That’s the part that we must always work to remain in tact. Historically when civil war does occur, the people (including military people) are slowly divided apart ideologically. Eventually, there develops two opposing and distinct sides, which simply view the other as enemies. At that point everyone feels justified in killing whoever they feel disagrees with their specific ideology. It sometimes takes many years of corrupt or incompetent leadership to reach this tipping point, but it has happened many many times in human history, and we Americans are surely not immune. Let us hope we can withstand such forces and prevail as a unified nation for another 246 years and beyond.

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u/Jiveturkey72 Sep 01 '22

When you paint your enemy as inhuman, it’s a lot easier to kill them. It’s like changing it from murder to pest control

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

That order would probably be illegal to follow

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

But what do you do when the people who make the laws are the corrupt ones?

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

Vote

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u/Muchomachoness Sep 01 '22

So these idiots think that a band of morons running through the capital was going to somehow take control of The United States of America?! Lmao, so glad I haven’t been subjected to the mental gymnastics needed to believe this. The Dem leaders and the media have got to be laughing their asses off that they got people to believe it. Wow

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 01 '22

Take over? lol no

Prevent a legitimate election from happening? absolutely.

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u/Muchomachoness Sep 01 '22

Cray cray

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 01 '22

What were they there for then? Enlighten me.

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u/brendude313 Sep 01 '22

If you think they actually succeeded then enlighten me.

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 01 '22

Do I really have to explain the difference between intent and outcome? Is that really what's happening here?

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u/bigjaymizzle Sep 02 '22

I actually like Mike Pence. It was the flys fault. The fly was a spy.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

Lol, ok conspiracy theorist

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 02 '22

903 arrests and counting, buttercup.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

Hey I respect the commitment, but it’s kinda sad dude. I mean you’ve go to cling to the idea that a bunch of protesters tried to overthrow the government.

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 02 '22

Not as sad as a bunch of clowns being incited to do something worthy of arrest by a dude who lied to get them to do it. That's what's really sad here.

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 02 '22

And yet y’all can never convict him of anything. You guys are just mad that after all this time of calling orange man this big bad monster, you still have nothing to actually arrest him for. It’s honestly quite funny, me and my friends keep placing bets on what the DNC will accuse him of doing next.

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u/lolatyoubeingwrong Sep 02 '22

Buddy re-read the thread. Where does anyone mention trump?

Embarrassing

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u/starstriker0404 Sep 03 '22

Are you implying the January 6th doesn’t involve Trump? Not to mention him being a party in the election in question? If this is too complex for you I can slow down.

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u/Katajiro Sep 01 '22

Unarmed - might I add.

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u/Aggravating-Scene-70 Sep 01 '22

Xiden has no idea of what he is saying, lmfao what a complete failure and idiot...

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

With 100+M people it could be done even without any guns lol

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u/blind_mowing Sep 01 '22

"With nothing but flagpoles!"

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u/sib_korrok Sep 01 '22

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-firearm-guy-reffitt/

Wrong

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u/blind_mowing Sep 01 '22

The guy with the guns forgot to bring them to the capitol?

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u/HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER Sep 07 '22

No, you are WRONG. Not a single firearm was brandished @ the Capitol by a Trump supporter on Jan. 6th.

I'm gonna have so much fun destroying you.

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u/sib_korrok Sep 07 '22

Facts don't care about your feelings dipshit

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u/HELL_BENT_4_LEATHER Sep 07 '22

FACTS boi. Don't like 'em when they blow up your narrative & crush your fragile feelings, do you?

Sorry sibby...I mean, dipshit. 🤣

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u/sib_korrok Sep 07 '22

Yeah I'm still waiting on you to provide some. You seem to ignore them when they go against your pathetic little narrative

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u/scrapqueen Sep 01 '22

Seems the Taliban defeated the U.S. wearing robes and with lesser weapons. At least until we gave them ours.

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u/Aggravating-Scene-70 Sep 01 '22

Conservatives are powerless? The establishment is scared and that's a good thing,people are waking up everywhere even New Zealand, imagine that...

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u/LonerOP Sep 01 '22

Does Joe not get we wont be going after the soldiers. We will be going after the people that sent the soldiers. Then the democratic majority will be restored.

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u/aktap336 Sep 01 '22

"Also, your druggie cousins, few Kerens, some drunk uncles and hole bunch of semi handclapped grandma's nearly overthrew the republic on January 6th"

I feel like my act of /s, has started filling in some blanks way too nicely for my personal comfort. Lord help us all

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u/rtauzin64 Sep 01 '22

The gun people sat around for eight years under a "Kenyan Muslim communist dictator " and nothing happened. Hey wha happen? Lol!

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Robinette?

Ha!

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u/understand_world Sep 01 '22

[M] Sometimes people say things and they’re posted on PCM so I think they might be fake.

Then they’re posted on here :-(

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u/Eli_Truax Sep 01 '22

I don't know if it's a direct quote but it's at least an accurate paraphrasing of what he said.

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u/understand_world Sep 01 '22

[M] I meant to say, I feel if it’s here it being true is more likely.

Sometimes I wish Biden were a bit more about that understanding and partisan unity to which he sometimes speaks.

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u/Eli_Truax Sep 01 '22

When in comes to "enemy of the people" the media has nothing on Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

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u/ExpertImportance134 Sep 01 '22

Liberals acting like they didn’t riot first SMH 🤦‍♂️

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u/bigjaymizzle Sep 02 '22

Instead of spending money on fighter jets spend money on fixing the recruitment issue. Less bickering more problem solving. Don’t worry, I tell my libtard constituents the same thing.