Amen: Daniel Penny has “no regrets”

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/couldnt-live-with-myself-daniel-penny-says-he-has-no-regrets-after-stepping-in-to-help-others

[u/BossJackson222]

Good, he shouldn't.

[u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ → u/BossJackson222]

💯

[u/LeverTech → u/BossJackson222]

Not trying for whataboutism but I’m genuinely curious to your take on the recent CEO assassination.

[u/BossJackson222 → u/LeverTech]

Isn't it obvious? A guy murdered and assassinated a father and a husband on the street illegally. 100% illegally. And he should face the consequences of that. There's a lot of people I don't like. Including Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, some Hollywood actors and actresses. Some of them really horrible people. But guess what… I would rail against anyone Who wanted to kill them. And to see the same people who can't handle Daniel Penny trying to protect people now salivate when they heard a CEO was assassinated in New York City, is psychotic to me.

In the end, this guy broke the law by murdering someone. And I'm seeing a scary amount of liberals who don't want anything to happen to him. Literally praising him. How does this look when children see this kind of praise for a murderer? What does that teach children? I mean, from liberals in 2020 praising people who went out and assassinated police officers in New York City to praising and laughing about Trump almost being assassinated two times, we have a problem in America. And it ain't this CEO. And I don't think this is a weird take lol.

[u/LeverTech → u/BossJackson222]

He hasn’t been convicted yet.

Technically they both had a murder on their record until the trial happened.

One of them was actively hurting other people for money. The other I don’t know what happened exactly but during control measures was killed. Which I’m okay with but understand the gray area there.

This is the part I have trouble with.

Disturbed the peace, killing is okay. Kills someone who profits from killing people for profit, bad. To me that’s not as much of a gray area and is clearly bad.

That’s the circle I can’t square with the thought process here.

Also the guy on the train was someone’s son, don’t know if he was a father but could be. Would it change your mind if he was? Why does having kids change your opinion?

Everything is situational and it’s always a gray area.

[u/BossJackson222 → u/LeverTech]

The CEO works for an insurance company that is the biggest one on the Obama exchange. They literally pay for transgender surgeries. Every insurance company in America has denied many many claims. They cannot afford to pay every single claim that is put across their desk, or they would have no business. This is not the red cross. This is a business. They are not a charity organization. They have a fiduciary responsibility to make money. Again, millions of claims from all sorts of insurance companies have been denied. How many of those do you know for a fact that should have not been denied??? You don't even know the whole story of the denials. The CEO did not kill anyone. No more than the CEO of my health insurance company. Daniel Penny went on that train to ride a freaking subway. He did not go out to hunt Black people. He didn't even want to kill the guy. He was scared for his life. A black man literally helped him sub dude the violent guy. And if the races were reversed, people would be cheering that a black marine took down a white guy that threatened a whole subway car full of Black people. You'll never convince me any differently than that.

Now, the guy that murdered, in cold blood, a CEO did so premeditated. This sick freak decided to bring a gun with a suppressor, illegally by the way, into New York City to shoot someone in the back like a coward. And I'll bring this up..... what do you tell your kids??? That it's OK to go out and murder CEOs?? Because at that point, since you don't think justice is blind, you cannot EVER get angry if someone assassinates someone that you love. Because when you allow someone else to do it, you can't complain when someone does it to someone you respect or love. And then what do we have??? A country where we just gun down people we don't like. And that's why you should be against it. Take the CEO to court. Change the system. Vote out politicians you don't like. But sanctioning assassinations is unreal. Especially when we have half of the country that celebrated two assassination attempts on a presidential candidate. There's nothing you could ever ever say to me that would make me empathize with this Luigi coward.

[u/LeverTech → u/BossJackson222]

Firstly “the Obama exchange” is a very telling term to your biases.

When you said that the ceo murder was premeditated when an insurance company denying coverage that leads to death not premeditated is odd. That fits the definition of premeditated to a tee.

Anyway that comes down to the question is a companies job to make money for a select few or provide a service to their customer? It’s definitely both but what’s the ratio?

In my mind they were both killings, which I do stand by “Thou shall not murder” but I understand there is a difference between a murder and a killing.

Government sanctioned killing is fine, both military and execution, personal defense is also fine, protection of others fine. They all exist in a gray area though.

I would like to propose a tactic I learned in debate. Try to defend your opposition. Can you try to defend the ceo killer? The only reason I ask is because I don’t think you could or would do it poorly. Steel man the opposite position that way I know if you’ve actually given this thought and aren’t just talking narratives.

If you would like I could steel man your position first.

[u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ → u/LeverTech]

Dude, get some help.

[u/LeverTech → u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ]

Whomp whomp whoomp.

You failed completely. If you can’t look at the opposition though their eyes and challenge your own thinking, you’re not thinking.

Money over death, you’re fine with. Disruptive individual death is fine.

Who needs help?

[u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ → u/LeverTech]

Cute riddles, something is wrong with you

[u/LeverTech → u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ]

What’s your opinion of Robbin Hood?

The classic, stealing from the rich to give to the poor.

I’m genuinely curious.

[u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ → u/LeverTech]

Fictional character in a Disney animation

[u/LeverTech → u/Scotts_Thoughts_INTJ]

What’s your take on the fox? Good or bad?

[u/fitnolabels → u/LeverTech]

Here, I'll take on the conversation.

"Technically had a murder on their record until the trial happened."

Murder: the unlawful, premeditated killing of one human being by another.

The entire premise of your objection is guilty until proven innocent, which isn't the way our system is intended to work (or should work). Regardless, there should be no hesitation.

People are comparing the worth of the deceased as somehow relevant to the crime. It isn't.

It doesn't matter how horrible a person is. We should not condone Murder. Daniel Penny was never charged with murder. These are not comparable crimes. Self-defense and gunning someone down in the street are not the same. If Daniel Penny had pulled a gun out and shot the guy in the subway in the back of the head, I'd say it was the same. And he should be tried for murder.

There is no moral dilemma or conflict between these two incidents. Anyone wrestling with one because of the other is only looking at the target, not the actions.

[u/f1098sf]

I’d only regret being in New York.

[u/Nemisis82]

I mean, kind of a psychotic thing to not have even a little remorse for taking someones life. God damn. Really showing his true colors here.

[u/AnakinSkycocker5726 → u/Nemisis82]

I think he believed this man was going to harm or kill innocent people and he saved them from that.

[u/Pera_Espinosa → u/Nemisis82]

In the snippet of the interview the article is based on, he never says he has no regrets or even uses the word regret. He says that he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he had done nothing and Neely had done what he kept threatening.

I think it's possible if not likely that he said that in response to being asked if he has any regrets, but his response still isn't saying he has none.

Beyond that, it's a tricky question to answer when there is still further litigation he is due to face. To say he does have regrets or is sorry would be used by people whose interests are to make him look culpable and make it seem as some admission of guilt.

People communicate regret in not having hugged a loved one that died in a car accident on that day for two seconds longer, or talked to them for an extra minute. It's only natural. Of course he wishes, in hindsight, he would've done different knowing how it turned out. But he can't admit that openly. And his focus was on his decision to intervene vs the details of how he went about it.