1 Republican vs. 25 Kamala Harris Voters (Feat. Ben Shapiro)

[u/CaptainRIP]

https://youtu.be/QK-liQhqPjs?si=6ziIkqibXG-2yAJp

Watch Ben wipe the floor with a bunch of Harris supporters...

[u/Even-Reindeer-3624]

Yeah I can dig up a source, but off the top of my head I can paraphrase the words of Kamala herself "we may not all have started out on equal footing, but I promise to create a system in which we all reach the finish line together". I can't exactly remember what she was talking about specifically, but I think she was trying to describe what an "opportunity economy" would look like. She may not have been, but in all honesty, it's pretty easy to pick up on the common themes they use. They all more or less operate within the same framework.

All of their legal policies and economic policies are based on the collective approach that's mostly comparable to Marxist theory.

If you don't believe me, then just for fun try and see just exactly how many parallels you can draw between DEI and idyllic justice. I'll go out on a ledge here, I'd bet it's safe to assume you may already be familiar with this.

https://builtin.com/diversity-inclusion/dei-initiatives#:~:text=Enforcing%20unbiased%20hiring%20practices%2C%20establishing,several%20examples%20of%20DEI%20initiatives.

[u/dustylex → u/Even-Reindeer-3624]

What kamala says has no relevance to actually dei hiring process. You might hear about some one off hiring practices that resemble quotas but that's not what DEI is . You can in theory have nothing but white people work at a company and still have a DEI program . DEI doesn't ensure that your company will be diverse it just makes it more likely . DEI doesn't require a quota of any kind . Here is an example of how DEI works in practice .

Company interviews 1000 applicants , 300 make it to next interview . Out of 300, 4 make it to a final intervew. After final interview 2 candidates left if one happens to be from underrepresented group they get the job . If none of the final candidates are from underrepresented group then the job goes to the candidate of your choice. DEI doesn't aim to lower the bar because the candidates still have to have the required qualifications for the job to even be considered in the first place. It's been a great way to get minority groups involved in the workforce which benefits us all in the end .

[u/Even-Reindeer-3624 → u/dustylex]

I'm aware DEI isn't solely about race, in theory it could serve any person who can claim an underhanded position in life based off of their "unique" sense of identity.

In accordance with the process you just described, once the process has been narrowed down to the final two applicants, if we were to assume all things are completely equal between the applicants and the only thing that could possibly decide the outcome is based off the fact that one belongs to an underrepresented group, by what metric has equal opportunity not been 100% nullified?

Because what I'm seeing is, if the two applicants are literally that equal, I'd leave it to the toss of a coin to decide before I'd leave it to a fixed rule that would naturally decide the same exact outcome every time. To this end, I shit you not, I bet I can draw a straighter line between what your describing and actual systemic oppression than you can between any preserved notion of equality.

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[u/Even-Reindeer-3624 → u/[deleted]]

Because at the very intersection where we begin to justify the use of an unequal process to reach an equal outcome, our reasons for doing so become destructive to means that created the process. It's physically impossible to solve inequality by creating a system that's inherently designed to benefit anyone in unequal measure. That's literally the "logic divided against itself" and it will not stand. You can't "cast out inequality with inequality", you'll only perpetuate inequality.

I couldn't imagine a greater evil than the illusions of a noble cause creating a system that could only magnify the very injustice it was intended to defeat. I honestly hope you realize that if it's possible to suffer your concept to this degree in theory, the practical application of such is at a far greater disadvantage.

[u/dustylex → u/Even-Reindeer-3624]

My friend the objective is not an equal outcome . DEI still results in more white people getting hired than not , so white people are not disadvantaged since THEY ARE STILL GETTING HIRED MORE . The goal is equity not equality. When a company has the opportunity to hire someone who is qualified and of an under privilege class they take it . That is all . In the end white people still get hired more , some minorities get a chance to get hired too and everyone is happy singing kumbaya . We can see these hiring practices happen in real time . Lots of companies that have dei initiatives still hire more white people than any other race. If what your fears were telling you were true we'd see equal outcomes meaning we'd see every demographic represented in equal numbers , but that's not what we actually see because that isn't the damn goal to begin with

[u/Even-Reindeer-3624 → u/dustylex]

I'm not at all concerned with white people getting jobs. DEI or no DEI, my paycheck won't suffer in the slightest. The most I personally would suffer from is the inevitable destabilization of the social structure within the workplace, which I keep to myself mostly so not even that concerns me.

So from a personal perspective, I don't have a dog in the fight. I don't fear whites being misrepresented, I don't fear losing my job I don't fear none of that bull crap you're thinking. My concern is a general destabilization in industry environments that will absolutely affect everybody but even more so the minority group DEI was intended to help. Have you honestly tried considering what the most likely response would be? It doesn't matter if DEI creates an unfair advantage or not, the fact that it's already perceived to guarantees it'll only become destructive to its own cause.

Minority groups, to whatever degree will be perceived as receiving an unfair advantage, minorities will by default become the target of aggression. A hostile environment in the workplace, especially when groups are defined by their color, gender or sexual orientation, is the perfect breeding grounds in which discrimination will manifest beyond the ability to correct. You may not like it, but DEI is absolutely systemic oppression. I've already done the math to know that we could apply a near perfect dialectical analysis in how the destabilizing of the workplace will finitely disadvantage the very people DEI was designed to help.

[u/dustylex → u/Even-Reindeer-3624]

Well you've got to (like I'm doing) be ready and able to dispell the myths about dei . If you hear complaints about it giving minorities an unfair advantage you stop that talk in tracks and correct people by explaining to them how it isn't an unfair advantage . Explain to people that the minorities that are hired through DEI are qualified , like this is facts over feelings , I'm sure you're a facts over feelings guy too so just help with dispelling myths about it .

[u/Even-Reindeer-3624 → u/dustylex]

OK, tell you what. If you can teach me how to defend DEI, I'll happily join you on your quest.

Yes I do prefer facts over feelings, so if I'm going to defend DEI, I'm not going use how I feel about DEI to defend it. So I'll need whatever facts you have that would suggest DEI will work as it's intended to without disrupting the social structure and create more problems than we had to begin with.

Policies don't survive based on their moral worth, their survival depends on their ability to thrive in the worst conditions possible.

[u/dustylex → u/Even-Reindeer-3624]

Dei isn't disrupting the social structure in present time . So there's evidence that it isn't creating more problem .. I've already laid out the ground work for how dei works . You thought it worked one way and I corrected you . Most people that are upset about it don't know how it works and they assume the worst based on a narrative they made up in their heads or a narrative that was pushed on them