r/benshapiro • u/No-Shoulder36 • Jan 10 '24
Help finding a podcast to ease family member’s fear of Trump Ben Shapiro Show
TLDR: Need resources/Ben Shapiro episodes to convince family member that Trump cannot start civil war at drop of a hat, and he is still the better choice over voting democrat being someone who is traditionally conservative.
Hi everyone, I have a family member who strongly espouses a lot of traditional conservative values (pro-life, lower taxes, small government, church-going, etc) that has unfortunately fallen prey to the media’s portrayal of Trump.
She quote-on-quote said he is ‘As evil as Hitler’, but did back down from that statement when I pushed her on what that really means. She is scared that 4 more years of Trump will lead to almost guaranteed civil war, and is convinced more than 50% of republicans would bring up arms at a single command from Trump. She is scared to lose her sons to a civil war, and is willing to vote for the known evils (abortion, transgenderism, etc) of the Democratic Party even though she abhors those values.
When asked if she thinks the media had anything to do with why Trump is the way he is, she said they bare little-to-no responsibility and Trump is almost single-handedly responsible for the division of the nation.
I think Ben would be a great resource for her to listen to as someone who doesn’t agree with a lot of what Trump does (non-policy related), but at-least talk her off the ledge of thinking that America is doomed if he wins, and urge her to vote Republican even if it is Trump on the ticket.
What resources/podcasts can I have her read/listen to that will explain how a) way fewer than half of republicans will take up arms against their neighbors because Trump says to, and b) the media is way more at fault for the division in the country than Trump is. She is open to learning and has backed herself up using Liz Cheney’s podcast on NPR, really need help finding the most concise resources she will take seriously (read: not tucker).
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u/shastabh Jan 11 '24
It’s simple: whatever they fear, explain why he didn’t do it when he was potus.
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u/No-Shoulder36 Jan 11 '24
And if she’s worried he can incite thousands of people to become violent and attack others? 😂 in all honesty I agree with you but I think Jan 6th is what really scared the wits out of her. She’s just convinced the people that raided the capitol represent a large majority of the Republican Party (thanks to the media). She thinks over 50% would do that same thing at a moments notice all over the country.
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u/damishkers Jan 11 '24
There was an awesome episode of Chad Prather where he interviewed a reporter who was at J6, this was several months back. I just spent 15 minutes digging for it and can’t find it, I think maybe it unfortunately was lost when he left the Blaze.
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u/shastabh Jan 12 '24
As bad as January 6th was, the reaction is very overrated. The same people frightened about 1 day were not only fine with an entire summer of events that were magnitudes worse, they were downplaying (fiery but peaceful) or making up weird excuses (protests are good for covid) for them.
This isn’t to diminish either of these, but an honest person that’s scared of trump doing another Jan 6th can’t logically be fine with Biden who’s own veep raised funds for the other riots.
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 11 '24
I mean he openly stated he took money from foreign governments yesterday...the thing that the GOP is trying to impeach Biden for but have 0 evidence of.
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u/shastabh Jan 12 '24
Lol, you mean running a business?
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 12 '24
He used the business to profit off of foreign countries, namely rival interests. It's directly against the emoluments clause. I'm not surprised that yet again Trump supporters jump in to defend the indefensible. It's been a decade of normalizing bullshit behavior.
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u/shastabh Jan 13 '24
So your claim is that people using the services of a business in trust by paying normal market rates is a violation of the emoluments clause? lol. That’s funny (and incorrect).
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 13 '24
He is supposed to remove himself completely from business interests when he becomes a public servant. It's anti corruption ethical practices 101 mate. I am at a company where every year I have to do anti corruption training and this is like the most basic shit.
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u/scorpiohorsegirl Jan 10 '24
Tell her to listen to Dan Bongino. He's got a podcast on Rumble and he has a regular radio show. He was secret service to 3 presidents. She might listen to someone like that. Ben can come off kinda preachy sometimes. He's not everyone's cup of tea.
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u/InfiniteNose9609 Jan 11 '24
Jason Rantz, whom I think is on the same station as Dan Bongino too (KTTH?) but i simply download the podcast of his daily radio show. He covers off a lot of things on how Misguided democrat policy has created a lot of the mess we're in, and also how the media will selectively cover or misrepresent stories. While he voted for Trump, he (like Ben) is also critical of him when he does dumbstuff (and of the GOP also) As a gay, conservative jew, he covers a lot of ground, and he's funny AF with the faux-snarky control-freak banter between him and his long-suffering producer.
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 11 '24
Tell her to listen to Dan Bongino.
Ah yes a bad faith fearmongering demagogue
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u/notablyunfamous Jan 11 '24
If someone has TDS, you won’t be able to assuage it.
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 11 '24
Btw TDS = Trump Dickriding Syndrome now. It's for people who can't stop apologizing for his indefensible behavior.
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u/Liquor-Ball-Sandwich Jan 13 '24
Gretchen, stop trying to make "Trump Dickriding Syndrome" happen. It's not going to happen.
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u/damishkers Jan 11 '24 edited Jan 11 '24
I listen to a lot of political podcasts, drive a lot for work, which I listen to at the time depends on my mood, my favorites below with how they’d do for someone like her. To preface I don’t listen to Ben’s podcast so can’t compare to his.
Graham Allen - he’s loud and full of emotion, some sense of humor, pretty Christian, does an ok job of explaining how conservative values are under attack but they don’t display the proof as readily even though others out there do. It’s more like a few friends sitting around discussing articles they read and may be inaccurate with small details like a number but they still read the articles and know the basics of it, if that makes sense.
Dave Rubin - ex lib who will often talk about his switch and explains how the other side thinks and what woke him up. He is a married gay man who adopted twins so he speaks a lot about conservative child rearing in this world and really goes against on the trans movement. Hard core DeSantis supporter. Short shows ~45 minutes
Tim Pool - libertarian who is definitely not a republican and does not LIKE Trump but appreciates some of his policies. He will have you digging a bunker in your backyard, buying chickens, goats, cows, and pigs, and preparing for a civil war but not for why your family member thinks. He does repeat himself over and over “that is to say…what I mean to say…let me explain…another way to explain it…” and that can annoy me but with all that explaining you understand it. A lot of emotion from him. He’s very accurate and does not report anything without verifiable facts or he will say he doesn’t have the facts. Long shows, about 1.5hrs.
Chad Prather - he’s funny/comic first but is good at explaining things. This is more of an entertainment show though. He left blaze at the beginning of the year so how his show will look in the future, who knows.
Steven Crowder - funny, has tons of videos out there for her to learn who he is, he’s recently fallen out of favor with some due to divorce/marriage stuff, I didn’t follow the drama. He refuses to be censored. I find he has the most well researched information, verifiable facts, and he lists his sources for people to look it up themselves. His podcasts can be on the longer side. 45m-1.5+hr long
Dan Bongino -loud, lots of emotion, minimal humor, Bongino brings a different perspective having been SS for a long time. He is reliable in his facts but doesn’t get into the details like numbers/stats on facts and I haven’t seen him produce sources as much. ~1 hour long
Ted Cruz - most succinct, minimal emotions and focus on explaining situations. Very matter of fact, he doesn’t have time to sit and tell about he is upset like prof podcasters. Very accurate and only provides info he can show proof on but will give his opinion on it. Gives good explanations of laws and SC precedent (he was a constitutional lawyer his whole life before senate). With that he presents the facts like he would to a jury. Gives insight into how congress works and explains why some things are done as they are. only 3 podcasts a week and the shortest at ~40 minutes
For your family member I recommend Cruz above all others for the matter of fact, thorough yet succinctly summarized explanations. It is a good opener and then I’d recommend going into some more entertaining ones but right now she needs info hard and fast.
Tim Pool would be second choice since he recognizes Trumps faults but explains why he is the better choice anyway. The fact he only reports verifiable facts is also great.
Rubin ties with Crowder for 3rd
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u/samurai489 Jan 11 '24
Crowder can not possibly stand up for any moral values while abusing his (pregnant!) wife.
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u/damishkers Jan 11 '24 edited Jan 11 '24
As I said, I have no clue what happened in the marriage, didn’t follow the reports. I just heard there were accusations and saw headlines. I agree that would make him a bad dude. I didn’t comment one way or another about his morals. I haven’t listened to him much over the last several months. My assessment that he provides well researched facts and provides his sources so one may verify it themselves is still accurate.
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u/samurai489 Jan 11 '24
Sorry, I realize my comment seemed accusatory towards you. That was not my intention I was just putting it out there for other readers. I don’t follow most of the pop culture drama these days either.
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u/damishkers Jan 11 '24 edited Jan 11 '24
Sorry if I was defensive. Being that I didn’t follow it I just can’t say if they were legit allegations or an attempt to discredit him and since I haven’t listened to him much lately I didn’t care to dig into the details. I was skeptical of the allegations I saw in headlines just because there’s so much false stuff out there against conservatives these days but who knows. He could very well be a nasty guy personally.
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u/AutobotJSTN Jan 11 '24
I’m starting to think people secretly like Trump, but are too scared to think what others will think of them if they admit they like Trump.
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u/PrinceLoki777 Jan 11 '24
If she thinks Don is as evil as Hitler, shes CLEARLY never heard of Hamas.
They are modern Nazis.
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u/keeler_k Jan 10 '24
DeSantis and Vivek are so much better than Trump.
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u/No-Shoulder36 Jan 10 '24
Totally agree I’m not voting for Trump in the primary. And this person would gladly vote for any republican on the ticket no questions asked as long as it isn’t Trump.
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u/LeverTech Jan 10 '24
Glad to hear she has a moral standing. If you vote for Trump it’s saying you don’t care about morals.
I used to vote mostly Republican but the party started going insane about the time of the tea party and I had to reevaluate my choices.
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u/NukaSwillingPrick Jan 11 '24
No, we’re just saying we don’t care about YOUR morals.
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u/LeverTech Jan 11 '24
Well what are your morals? I’m willing to bet if you have anything near the normal moral standing Trump has demonstrated his are looser.
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u/No-Shoulder36 Jan 11 '24
Interesting maybe this is the wrong group to ask this question then. I agree, I don’t think Trump is a moral person, but I also don’t think voting for 40 week abortion is moral either. If I can at least dissuade her to vote independent instead of voting “against” Trump, I’ll be happy.
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u/LeverTech Jan 11 '24
I don’t know anyone advocating for 40 week abortions. Unless the pregnancy isn’t viable and the mothers life would be in jeopardy. If you think that’s what democrats are pushing for you’ve been mislead.
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u/No-Shoulder36 Jan 11 '24
Colorado has enshrined abortion up to 9 months in pregnancy, with elective reasons (not medically necessary) way past any sane deadline. No single abortion trigger law in the US prohibits termination in the case where mothers health is at risk or cases of rape.
But I’m definitely not hear to argue that, yes 40 week abortions are rare but happen and it was meant to say the left supports real evil, whereas a fear of trump causing a civil war is “theoretical” evil.
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u/LeverTech Jan 11 '24
Given his adulterous history and frisky nature, I’m going to have to conclude that his non answer is indeed a yes. Also he was a democrat until he needed the Republican vote and then is now playing hard to get the Christian vote while living a contradictory life style. If you vote for him you’re a means to his goals.
As to the civil war comment, there are a plethora of reasons why people don’t like Trump, I don’t think that’s the main one. He panders to who he needs too. It is as simple as that. He wants power, money and legacy. Pride is a sin and he has that in abundance. Show me one example of humility coming from that man. He’s like Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy, “I too, am extraordinary humble.”
His policies are self serving. People who can’t see that have my sympathy or my disgust because they do the same.
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u/vile_hog_42069 Jan 11 '24
You’re gonna want to have them listen to Chapo Traphouse. It’ll fix her right up
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u/ILoveCornbread420 Jan 10 '24
You should show her this article about how his lawyers argued in court that a president is allowed to use Seal Team 6 to assassinate his domestic political rivals.
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u/Slashs_Hat Jan 11 '24
https://www.hoover.org/research/victor-davis-hanson-case-trump.
Find anything you can by Victor Davis Hanson. There are loads of him on various podcasts. He is a mega-smart, measured man with a soothing voice that will not scare your family member.
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u/epicurious_elixir Jan 11 '24
Sounds like your family is living in empirical reality with their perspective on Trump and you aren't. The guy literally admitted to taking money from foreign governments yesterday for christ sake. Can't wait to see how the MAGA cult spins that one!!
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u/DParadisio43137 Jan 11 '24
My dad has also been swayed by media to think the right is all evil and the left is all angelic. I've actually been actively working to see if I can get him to support Vivek. He's not as polarizing as Trump, and espouses many of the same ideals as Trump. Both Vivek and Trump have publicly stated they'd take the other on as VP, and I think Vivek, being younger, has a better chance of meeting the democrats halfway, because of his age. I personally would love to see Vivek as POTUS with Trump supporting him as VP. I'm not sure of what his health is, but I would rather not see him fail in the office as Biden has been doing.
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u/1122113344 Jan 11 '24
Jimmy Dore. When you can get a commie like Dore to admit that Trump isn’t that bad and Biden is much worse it makes a difference.
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u/odog330 Jan 16 '24
Tell her that, while her fears about Trump being a direct Hitler analogue are not exactly accurate, the emotions she are feeling are generally fair. Reiterate that someone being on your side politically does not justify voting for an almost- guaranteed rapist, someone who did all they could to overturn an undeniably fair election and impede the peaceful transfer of power, someone who is aiming to stock the federal government with employees based on their fealty to the Dear Leader and not on their competence, and someone whose idea of leadership is watching an obscene amount of television each day in so-called “executive time” blocks while showing an active distaste for anyone that presents any truth or fact that runs counter to what he wishes were true. Explain that he’ll never be Hitler, but that the term “fascist” certainly fits the bill, to an obvious and cartoonish degree.
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u/nolotusnote Jan 11 '24
If she's a fan of funny, Adam Carolla's podcast would be good. He does a lot on the current state of the USA. Especially what is happening in California and big cities around the country.