r/benshapiro • u/notburneddown • Mar 10 '23
Does Ben Shapiro think the reason so many people are LGBT+ is because it’s cool and provides a group identity? Does he think it will one day go out of style? Ben Shapiro Shitpost
My theory is that it will go out of style and then a few years later the population will grow again. I also think as a straight guy that many people who become transgender now will regret their choice later.
Edit: I’m a straight guy who isn’t doing any of this in case anyone mistakenly thinks this is a post about me.
UPDATE: my post is not saying gayness is a trend. What my post is theorizing is since before 5% of the population was gay and now it’s 20% that SOME of the people in that 20% aren’t actually gay. Probably half of them actually are but it’s smaller than this sudden huge percentage of population that is gay that wasn’t there before.
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u/Charminat0r Mar 10 '23
They want acceptance and live in an online world.
Ben often talks of things like that being due to the way society has turned away from Christian / religious morals. Never heard him mention that he believes it will self-correct.
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u/Jackzz74 Mar 10 '23
The whole thing has been around since humanity grew thousands of years ago. It’s their life live and let live. The issue becomes as they inject their thought process, their way of life in the faces of everyone, all the time, everywhere including in childhood schools. Listen we’re a free country do as you please, be kind and know consideration is a two way street. Be with those that think like you and exactly like you don’t want me to criticize you because of my beliefs, then you are not allowed criticize me for not agreeing with your POV or your beliefs. Todays over exposure is giving growing minds new avenues, as if children aren’t impressionable and vulnerable enough. Relationships or gender should never even be thought of as they grow into the adult us as parents mold them into or in a lot of cases the parent allow their children to “know enough” to make clearly adult decisions such as irreversible surgeries. The over exposure is out of control
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u/Single_Appearance807 Mar 10 '23
What about how heterosexual people inject their life into everything.
If a female high school teacher wears a wedding ring, and students ask and she tell the story of how her fiance Tom proposed is that acceptable.
Or is she indroctinaring children into a heterosexual lifestyle. If her fiance was Tina, is she required to react differently and not share the story
P.s. I am all for gender affirming care, but do not support irriversible surgeries on minors.
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u/PgARmed Mar 10 '23
Please accept that when there is a majority of people who are all practicing the norms of the prevailing culture, it does not mean they are injecting their way of life on anyone. There are no heterosexual classes/courses taught in school. There are no Heterosexual parades. The LGBTetc population comprises a very small portion of society and yet it is the loudest and most forceful in pushing the general population for acceptance....or else.
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u/Immediate-Special156 Jun 20 '23
I’m pretty sure a student is not going to give a shit that their teacher now has a wedding ring. Furthermore you can say, I just got engaged without going into further detail about your partner. A teachers personal life has no place in a class room. End of story.
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Mar 10 '23
It seems extreme to cut off body parts, make oneself sterile and take a multitude of possible life shortening meds just for fad or group identity. However, to each their own I suppose. Just stay away from the children....
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u/PgARmed Mar 10 '23
What causes these body mutilation is actually the parents/adults in the kids' lives that encourage their dysphoria to the extreme in a misguided attempt to do what they have been told is best for them. I place the biggest responsibility on those who are actively pushing the LGBTetc culture on a massive scale. I agree with you. Leave the poor little kids alone. They will find who they really are eventually as they grow older.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 10 '23
One can’t choose to have dysphoria as it’s biological and neurological.
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u/PgARmed Mar 10 '23
Kids can definitely be convinced that they are what they aren't.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 10 '23
It rarely occurs in this case
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Mar 11 '23
Objectively false. There is a giant aspect of social contagion to this life. Spreads misery under the lie of being accepting. It’s truly evil.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 11 '23
I’m a trans woman who successfully transitioned. Medical transition for trans people with gender dysphoria spreads peace and normalcy and alleviates dysphoria. Most trans people that exist have biological and neurological causation gender dysphoria. One can’t get gender dysphoria through external means other than those who initially don’t have it in any way but gain it through transition.
If a social contagion exists then anyone who medically transitions never had dysphoria from the start. There is a social element to the gender non conformists and non binary but they mainly socially transition. Btw only the binary exists. One can’t be outside it.
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Mar 11 '23
There absolutely is a social contagion. And I would agree that, the vast majority of people didn’t have gender dysphoria. They are being talked in to it by peer groups, and more commonly, parents. Which is why you see the boom. It’s trendy, popular, being worn as a piece of fashion.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 11 '23
Regarding the reality that there is a social push for gender non conformity, people mostly socially transition which is fine. They do it for individuality sake to feel good.
However I warn them the seriousness and gravity of medical transition. Some people want to assume men’s roles but not have facial hair or a deep voice and I tell them that’s not how testosterone works. Some want to took more feminine with softer features but not grow breasts or have heightened emotions and I tell them that’s not how estrogen works. I knew people who say they are trans but never had dysphoria or would transition. I rejected them on the spot due to being insulted. Being trans isn’t an accessory one wears. It’s a serious medical condition.
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u/notburneddown Mar 10 '23
I’m a straight guy I’m not doing any of that stuff. I’m commenting on other people.
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Mar 10 '23
Sorry, I did not think that you were. I, too, was just commenting on other people. Good evening.
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u/SupremePizzaManz Mar 11 '23
It's amazing that conservatives know more than doctors about whether the meds they prescribe are safe or not. Its also true that only about 1-3% of trans people regret transitioning. Most people who quit transitioning cite societal pressures or money to be the reason they stopped. Recent studies have also found that gender-affirming therapy and transitioning reduced depression by 60% and being suicidal by 70%. You gotta realize trans people account for less than one percent of the population. This isn't some mass fad that people are going through. Evidence of men who dressed as women goes back thousands of years. Gender dysphoria is a real thing and gender-affirming therapy and transitioning is a treatments doctors disagree with conservatives about. It's almost like there exist other countries like Thailand or Iran that actually accept them. Being trans or gay isnt a disease, you can't pass it on to someone's children. The term for that is called homophobia. The definition of homophobia is "dislike of or prejudice against gay people". There is no science behind the idea you can turn someone gay or trans, but some people keep saying that shit. How about you don't dump your kid on the streets if they do turn out to be gay or trans as up to 40% of homeless people belong to the LGBT community. If you were really pro-life and cared about your kids you would love them regardless.
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Mar 11 '23
Love your kids. Which isn’t being a yes man. If you love your kids and they are doing things that are unhealthy, cause misery, leading to a worse life. Than you protect them. The problem isn’t people not loving their kids. It’s society trying to convince normal children that they are “gay” and “trans”, because it’s popular and a status symbol. No, loving parents should not just go along with the delusion, that’s not love. Love your kids, protect them from the cult.
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u/memebeansupreme Mar 11 '23
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx4dOxYdghQ please watch this video it humanizes trans people. As stated gender-affirming therapy reduces depression rates by 60% among other things. The consensus from doctors seems to be that while there isnt a lot of data as to the long term affects of these treatments current information suggests that they can be safe when delivered by an experienced healthcare provider. Trans people can live long and healthy lives. Sometimes you gotta step back and think that your kids arent property they’re their own person and you have to at a certain point accept them. i understand being hesitant and thinking its just going to be a phase thats perfectly understandable. Sometimes it’s not a phase thats how god made them and you have to accept it. Sometimes being supportive is shutting up with your political opinion if thats what you call being a yesman then so be it. Also there is no science again to suggest being gay or trans is a transferrable disease. You can’t turn someone gay only political commentators make this claim it’s not based in any fact.
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 15 '23
Absurd. No one can convince anyone to be gay or straight. Just like I can’t convince a child to have blue eyes or freckles. Your statement is so wildly lubricious it must be a joke.
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Mar 15 '23
This is inaccurate. Look at the rates of LGBT people as popularity has grown and the social contagion has gotten out of hand. No, I don’t think it’s every single person. Yes, it is very clearly happening to a large degree. Not only is it not absurd, it’s objectively and mathematically so. Numbers don’t joke. I apologize if the facts bother you in some way, don’t shoot the messenger.
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 18 '23
Wow. You are beyond dumb. The rates of lgbt people announcing themselves has to do with society changing. 30, 40, 50,years ago it was social and career suicide for any gay person to admit they were gay. It was dangerous. The social climate has changed, thankfully, and people are more open. However, those who are now 50 yrs old and over still have the baggage that prevents them from being open.
Also, AIDS decimated a very large portion of the gay male population from 1985- 1996. Regardless, why the fuck do you care if gays make up 5 or 20% of the population? After all of the gay people who were killed in the Holocaust and from AIDS and despite suicide due to assholes like you, we are still here and will always be here. Fuck off - we are not going anywhere
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Mar 18 '23
The vast majority will grow out of it. The world will still be here, always has, it always will. I don’t want gays to not exist, I’ve never said that. The over abundance of the pure amount of people is what’s not real. It’s socially cool and popular, and any time something has a phase of cool and popular, people will try and mimic it. It’s a very small percentage of people, again, the numbers don’t lie. Your dramatic reimagining of what I actually said is not accurate in comparison to my actual statement. If it were to climb at the same rate of decades over decades, eventually 90% of people would claim to be gay. You, of course, would celebrate the nonsense as some pretend victory, this is very easy to see through. I agree gay people “aren’t going anywhere”, and I never said they were. But it will decline in popularity by a massive degree, when society stops making it a status symbol and applauding they majority looking for attention. But it’s adorable that you either think it’s real, or are in the group of attention seeking. You are very bad at reading, so I’ll some it up. Gay people do exist, and no one denied but it is a very small percentage, and most people you claim they are “gay” are not. It’s factual and objectively so. But you are incredibly adorable to argue a point that I wasn’t making. I love you, silly goose.
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u/Immediate-Special156 Jun 20 '23
When the doctors are being forced by the powers that be or are activists themselves then yes, I will question what they say. I also find it interesting that the “doctors” that stand to make a lot of money encouraging this are the only ones that are listened to. The doctors that have ethics and morals are largely ignored by the media.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 10 '23
Well you see it that way as you aren’t trans nor had gender dysphoria. We see it revealing who we are inside on the outside and being free from gender dysphoria. Also we will help trans youth suffering from significant dysphoria.
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Mar 11 '23
Yes, they do need help. Massive help. What they don’t need is mutilation, and to be told the delusions are real. They need people who love them enough to point out the absurdity they are spouting. Not a bunch of “yes men” standing around watching them burn their lives down.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 11 '23
Medical transition saved my life. Getting bottom surgery was one of the best things to happen to me. I have zero dysphoria anymore. It’s not a delusion. It’s a reality. I am telling you just how it is. You can choose to believe or not believe.
A delusion would be telling people they can live again after death in another dimension.
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Mar 11 '23
And I’m sure that you believe that right now. Can I ask at what age you did this? Also, I’m glad that you are happy at this time. Im rooting for you.
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 11 '23
Oh I knew I was trans when I was 4. I didn’t know the word but knew I am female at that age. I knew the male parts didn’t belong. I also grew up in a conservative household that taught traditional norms. I transitioned at 22 and got surgery at 30. I almost got surgery at 26 but I helped my family through a crisis they went through and push back the surgery till later. That was after many years in denial though because of society. Irony is my family would have accepted me if I told them earlier and if I could have medically transitioned in my teens I would have. It would have saved me pain to transition much earlier.
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Mar 11 '23
I disagree that at 4 years old (or any age, but specifically that young) it is even possible to know your genitalia is wrong. I do believe you had those feelings, but that doesn’t make the statement accurate. So while I disagree with the premise that anyone was born with the wrong parts, and I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have to be an adult to make that decision, I’m glad you had the right to choose that. I think that you, as an adult, should have the right to do that weather I agree or not. You are more mature than a child, do as you please. Letting children undergo the same procedures, in a confused state with no maturity would be wrong.
So you transitioned as an adult, good for you. I’m glad you were stopped from making that choice in your teens. And I’m glad you had the freedom to do it in your 20s. Freedom to make your own choices, as an adult. That’s a good thing.
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u/Morenae1 Mar 12 '23
Good for you going through medical transition. Don’t waste your time on these people in this sub, there’s plenty of people like me who do support you and know it’s not a choice. I hope you have loving and supporting parents. And I really hope the people here don’t have any gay/trans children, as those children could be in danger if their parents think it’s a trend.
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u/FeaturingYou Mar 10 '23
On the trans issue, yes I think Shapiro thinks it’s a social contagion at least somewhat. I think you can test this pretty easily through this simple acknowledgment: a gay person can’t be straight the same way a man can’t be a woman. Objective reality takes over in both of those situations and I think that’s Shapiros ultimate philosophy.
He goes in to depth on a few podcasts, specifically with Joe Rogan, about what exactly he thinks a gay person should do if they’re born that way. All that to say don’t think he thinks homosexuality is a trend, but does think transgenderism is probably somewhat a trend and somewhat a mental illness.
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u/Immediate-Special156 Jun 20 '23
They are not “born that way” that has been debunked time and time again, although we know this community will continue to try to push this narrative until the end of time. Even though there is absolutely no evidence of this and the research actually points to sexual preference being fluid throughout the lifetime (not for all but for a majority.)
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u/FeaturingYou Jun 20 '23
Shapiro cited a study a few episodes ago that linked homosexuality with a gene associated with risky behavior. That study isn’t controversial for making the correct claim that gay people are born gay, but that the “gene” associated with that is less about attraction and more about behavior.
It hasn’t been debunked and there are no studies suggesting that. I subscribe to a very traditional set of morals and religious views on this issue personally but I’m not about to let that shroud my cognitive dissonance on this issue.
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Mar 10 '23
Not necessarily cool, but to fit in, yes. That's for the younger generation for sure. It's a social contagion. The data is overly clear about this.
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u/notburneddown Mar 10 '23
And one easy way to fit in is to have a cool identity. Punks, Emos, etc were one version of this that many of my friends (not me) adopted as kids. You also saw it in 90s hacker culture among kids.
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Mar 10 '23
Accurate.
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u/notburneddown Mar 10 '23
I mean if we could make something else cool and make lgbt+ uncool (which we shouldn’t do because it’s not ethical I get that but bear with me) then eventually people would gradually gravitate towards the new thing. We probably would have to use deception to do this.
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u/Immediate-Special156 Jun 20 '23
How I wish we could go back to emo.
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u/notburneddown Jun 20 '23
I agree. Or punk. Or hacker culture. Or something new but not fucking pathetic.
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 13 '23
Social contagion? No. The Gen Z generation has a far more liberal attitude towards homosexuality and are not closeted about it like gay people were 30-40 yrs ago. That is the major reason for the larger numbers plus, many 18-26 year olds are experimenting sexually with both sexes and are claim they are bisexual even if their attitude towards one sex may wane a bit as they get older and settle down. Curious what your “Data” is surrounding this.
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Mar 13 '23
Uh... did you just prove my point? 🤔
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 13 '23
Ummm. No. I’m saying that if you look at the numbers over multiple generations, you see that they are larger to coincide with the times. It doesn’t mean in 1950, homosexuals were only 1% of the population- they were probably 8% but only 1% felt brave enough to admit it. There are tons of bisexual women and some bisexual men. It’s a sign of the times they feel liberated to talk about sex and sexuality. Nobody does it to fit in. If they did, gay and lesbian groups at colleges would have 500 members rather than 20. You make it sound like it’s a fad. Lastly, if it’s done to “Fit in”, that means these supposed gay and bi people have to put up or shut up in the bedroom. Why don’t you try that? Dumb.
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Mar 13 '23
I think you're confusing adults with children (although some adults will do some strange things to fit in as well). I'd like to see your sources for 8% of people being gay instead of 1% in 1950.
Yes, it's a sign of the times that we're talking about sexuality and sexual perversions way too early with children. An entire half of the country got pissed at DeSantis for signing a bill that prohibits classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity up through third grade. Third freaking grade.
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 15 '23
The constant figure over the past decade has ranged from 5-8% of the population is gay or bisexual. If you take into consideration various factors such as deaths from AIDS - almost 600,000 gay men died from AIDS between 1985 and 1995 which accounts for loss of a large number of gay males of a certain age group plus factors noted above- it was extremely dangerous at that time to be openly gay. If you were a gay person living anywhere- especially in small town USA, are you really going to answer any sort of poll admitting you were gay? You do realize it was illegal back then, right. It’s like a Jew parading before Hitler chanting that he is Jewish.
Point being, if the numbers have ranged from 5-8% over the past decade, it’s easy to assume they have stayed fairly constant. I said it before, but the gay gene is resistant. As much as people like you and the radical right want to kill us, we are not going away. That’s how it is. And regarding the nonsense FL education law. You honestly don’t think it was done simply as a way to rile up the radical right in their hatred against gay people? The only issues in the past related to improper conduct were heterosexual teachers (usually male) molesting students. Gay teachers were not involved. There never was incident of teachers discussing sex to 3rd graders. Yet, this bill goes out of its way to distinctly state “sexual orientation”. Really? So, if the teachers discusses the numerous kids Thomas Jefferson had - before and after the wife did and with a slave - is that a discussion of the fact that he liked to fuck around and stick his dick wherever? Since when do radical right conservatives not want to talk about heterosexual relationships - or marriages - which imply sex.
Why bring this up now? It was a bill that was drafted hoping to solve an issue that never existed. Although the junior state rep who drafted it hoped an issue would exist and got what he wanted by having fools like you drink the Kool Aid. He made you believe that 2nd grade teachers were screwing their students in the classroom and showing porn loops all day long. It’s so absurd. And then fools like DeSantis use that offensive term ‘grooming”? Again, the VAST majority of pedophiles are hetero males. All of this is so ridiculous and the fact that you bought into the hype shows how uneducated you are
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u/DOlsen13 Mar 11 '23
It's basically this generation's version of being "scene" or goth. Except these people want political representation. "It's not a phase, dad. It's who I am now."
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u/MVPrimate Mar 10 '23 edited Mar 10 '23
The entire argument is superfluous when you realise one simple fact:
An identity is a negotiation between an individual and society.
You may say "Well, there seems to be a large portion of society that believes a woman can have a penis, and men can give birth to children". You may have a point... if you were to dismiss the fact that one of the pillars of society is truth and its pursuit, and that truth is a parameter of identity. For thousands of years, philosophers have studied and explored the question "What is truth?", and there are some variations in thought. But what isn't varied is the agreement that the concept of truth is perhaps the most singularly important idea that we, as a species, have ever discovered.
It's why, regardless of whether every man ,woman, and child in the world agreed that the 3'8 dwarf that lives three doors down from me is the tallest man in the world... it wouldn't satisfy the condition of truth. It's also why I think there's an argument to be made for us to just concede and get rid of the use of 'man' and 'woman', and instead use 'male' and 'female'. Male sports, female spaces, male bathrooms, female healthcare, etc. It's practical as there is (currently) no room for ambiguity when using the latter terms, though I'm not particularly fond of the idea of 'conceding' the meaning of words just to satisfy the stupid and the authoritarian.
It's partly why it's become so important to be explicit with our use of language, now. There is an active effort to bastardise language into an unrecognisable, formless, meaningless instrument to describe us and the world around us. The more ambiguous our language becomes, the easier is to 'get away' with nonsensical statements such as "the woman was kicked in the testicles" - but such absurd statements are infinitesimally unimportant when compared to what could come from such a reckless and malevolent ideology/movement; a world where something can mean anything; everything means nothing. This is why it's a dangerous ideology; it is an assault on perhaps the most fundamental concept that has ever, and will ever, be conceived by conscious thought. Not because I particularly give a shit about John wanting to be called Sally.
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u/DutchOnionKnight Mar 10 '23
Remember the time being a goth was hip, and cool?
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u/notburneddown Mar 10 '23
Exactly my point. People want to be in a clique when they are young. It serves some biological purpose.
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u/Morenae1 Mar 12 '23
Do you really, honestly think people “turn gay” or “turn trans” because they want to fit in a clique? Really? If they really wanted to fit in, they’d not choose something that people like you make them feel like crap for.
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u/Immediate-Special156 Jun 20 '23
Who’s making them feel like crap. All I see is them being celebrated.
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u/vipck83 Mar 10 '23
I think it’s probably more complicated then that but there is certainly a trend aspect to it.
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u/jrbec Mar 10 '23
It’s for sure a way people can get a piece of that sweet sweet victimhood. Especially for rich whitey.
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u/SlyguyguyslY Mar 10 '23
I agree with your theory. My sis is in middle school, and she definitely plays that game. Most of the kids I've met who are in middle and high school seem to be doing it to, and they know it's a social game.
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u/notburneddown Mar 10 '23
This is the big reason for population decline. Or at least one of the reasons.
If there was a way to make it uncool to be lgbt+ (I’m not saying we should do that because it wouldn’t be ethical) and found a way to subtly introduce a different form of cool identity for people to be a part of (it probably has to be something rebellious or no one will listen) then maybe that will be what kids lean towards.
Let me put this in perspective: in the 70s and 80s we had punks, in the 90s and 2000s, many kids were into being “emo” or other similar stereotypes. Kids want an identity to be a part of aside from “law abiding citizen.” The hacker identity was almost a thing in the 90s and 2000s as well but it never became the most popular thing.
It appears gen z doesn’t have any of that so they pathetically resort to lgbtq+ because kids want a sense of belonging. Something unique to them, but everything cool has already been done. Or they default to other liberal groups like BLM.
I personally think kids should go back to being hackers. Those people were much more cool. Or we need to introduce some new rebellious cool thing to replace lgbtq+ but we need to do it as sneakily and deceptively as possible.
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u/DingbattheGreat Mar 10 '23
He has videos. You could go watch them and figure out his opinion yourself instead of asking other people to think for you.
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u/SupremePizzaManz Mar 11 '23
Why are so many people homophobic and transphobic? Is it because they think it's cool and provides a group identity? Will it one day go out of style? Well, seeing as in the 50s they used to chemically castrate and lock up gay people, and in the 80s we had the president say they deserved to die from a deadly disease, and today 70% of people support gay marriage. I would argue that it will slowly die out, people just are taking their time with dying.
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u/Impressive_Lie5931 Mar 13 '23
This comment must be a joke? Seriously, people are born gay - sexuality is innate and not something you can turn on and off. Would you be able to suddenly become gay and have same sex sexual relations for the next year if someone asked you? Your comment is something that a 12 year old might say. Wowza.
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Mar 14 '23
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u/notburneddown Mar 14 '23
I know gayness is not a style but it should be only five percent of population that are not heterosexual. Studies have been done on the percentage that are gay vs not gay show sudden increase.
I would believe if they said 15% of population was gay but the claim is 20% and before it was 10% and before that it was 5%.
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Mar 14 '23
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u/notburneddown Mar 14 '23
It was five percent previously. It went up to 20% which is insane. If there being more acceptance of gay people meant 10% I would believe that.
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Mar 14 '23
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u/notburneddown Mar 14 '23
I mean old people are still alive. This survey was done recently. If 20% was accurate then why don’t 20% of old people come out of the closet?
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u/MistryMachine3 Mar 15 '23
They still have their friends and social circles that would not be accepting of it. Also in their head they don’t want to accept it.
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u/MistryMachine3 Mar 15 '23
In places where it is illegal to be gay, 0% of people identify as gay. Shocking.
Obviously as society and families become accepting of gays the percent that have to hide it will go down. As a kid in the 90s in the Midwest I had a friend whose dad came out, he lost his job and was shunned. Obviously if that is going to be the reaction, people will continue to hide it.
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Mar 14 '23
since before 5% of the population was gay and now it’s 20% that SOME of the people in that 20% aren’t actually gay
Being gay, like being straight or a man, isn't a linear gradient; it's a smattering of individual traits. Any choice to attempt to draw a line around those individual traits is going to miss some that others include, and you're going to include some that others miss.
If you did this for every person and you averaged-out the lines, you'd get a very blurred idea of what 'gay' or 'man' means.
It doesn't make much sense, nor is it meaningful, to say that some aren't gay or some are gay. This is where the idea of 'a woman is a person who claims to be a woman' comes from; an acknowledgement that these non-lines are so blurred that they only have meaning to individuals.
While you may be right that a large chunk of those people might lose traits you, personally, mark as 'gay' and gain traits you mark as 'straight', your marking of traits will change over time, as will theirs.
You're just asking the wrong question; will some of those people self-describe as straight or cisgender eventually. Yeah, sure. Does it matter? Not one bit.
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u/notburneddown Mar 14 '23
I don’t understand. Before 5% of the population fucked people same gender as themselves. Now it’s 20%. What’s so complicated that?
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Mar 14 '23
Do you think 'wanting to fuck a person' is a simple thing. You know how much goes into that, right?
5% of the population fucked people same gender as themselves
Well, that's not exactly as clear as you think. Plenty of "straight" people, who've had children, come-out as gay. They just went along with it because it was 'the way', nothing to do with their sexuality. Plenty of people just didn't engage with it. There's a lot of reasons people were fucking each other, and plenty of why they weren't.
'fuck or no fuck' just isn't a clear way to look at this.
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u/notburneddown Mar 14 '23
Alright fine. Before 5% of the populous was at least partially attracted to same gender as selves. Now it’s 20%. And the study was done recently.
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Mar 15 '23
The short answer is 'stop caring'. It ain't that deep, there's less adversity and more acceptance, that's going to make more people report as gay/bi because they're either more willing to admit it or they've been given the room to discover that part of themselves.
Unintuitively, you don't understand every facet of your being; you just have front-row seats. Understanding one's self takes experience, it's not innate.
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u/DeanoBambino90 Mar 10 '23
Every single time we take God out of the equation we go back to a Pagan lifestyle. That's what we are. It won't go out of style until or if we decide to bring God back into our lives.
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u/saintex422 Mar 10 '23
Dudes have been gay for thousands of years lmao. You guys really think the Lt Governor of Tennessee is fire reacting to gay twink thirst traps because it's trendy?
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u/suzy2013gf Mar 10 '23
It's just another lifestyle choice. That's all . Nothing new about it. People who want these lifestyles are just the same as anyone else. They chose that lifestyle.
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Mar 11 '23
Chose whatever life you want. Stop seeking attention, and understand that others are not forced to think your lifestyle is healthy or good. That’s the issue with the community, it’s the attention seeking and attacking any people who disagree with them. If it’s a lifestyle choice, than make it and shut the fuck up about it. And that will never happen
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u/suzy2013gf Mar 11 '23
Yes but see. It's a look at me look at me . Age too . So we have to put up with that .
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u/Boccob81 Mar 10 '23
Don't for get drugs has some people not giving a crap what they hook up with as well
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u/RayPadonkey Mar 10 '23
Same has been said about straight people and alcohol for decades. We've all heard stories of buddies regretting sex with fat women.
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u/iamthefluffyyeti Mar 10 '23
No it’s because sexuality is fucking wack and we shouldn’t try and control the most complex animals on earth
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 10 '23
I’m trans and nah it isn’t a trend. It’s a biological and neurological reality. I knew since I was 3 and completed the whole process and have no more dysphoria. I struggled from 12-20 the most and when I took estrogen within a month I felt calmer and more in touch with myself. Then I got bottom surgery and all the dysphoria vanished within a day at being in the hospital.
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u/CorneliaSt11989 Mar 11 '23
What do you think about the ppl who say they are trans but they don't have dysphoria and don't want to transition?
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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Mar 11 '23
They aren’t trans at all. Being transgender isn’t a social construct. It’s brought on by a medical condition called gender dysphoria and social and medical transition alleviate this condition and allow people to be themselves. I’m living proof of this.
To answer your question further people like that just want attention and want to be as individualistic as they can by latching on to a label. Those of us who have/had dysphoria are both insulted and feel sorry for these people because they don’t have dysphoria and want to be grouped in with individuals who let’s be real most of society doesn’t understand because we are an unknown. We lived among you for decades but were the butt of jokes but since we have been more public and research and studies are done regarding us people think we are a new thing. It would be like isolated tribes seeing a plane for the first time but saying these things are new inventions of man when they were around for a century.
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u/CorneliaSt11989 Mar 11 '23
I agree with you. These people, not always consciously I believe, are making a mockery of a genuine medical condition with their efforts. Trans people don't sit around all day being consumed by what new set of pronouns to use or create. They feel distressed that their natural pronouns don't match their internal sense of self.
Once I heard so-called "trans" people say that you don't need dysphoria to be trans, or to even transition in any meaningful sense, I knew it was something else.
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u/Single_Appearance807 Mar 10 '23
I think people are religious because they think it is cool and gives then a sense .
I am all for live and let live but don't be shoving it down my throat, wearing you crucifixes , and your big church steeples saying look at us, look where we worship.
And really can we stop the child mutilation too, you want to.cut off a bit of your body when your 18 fine, but stop doing it to a baby.
And stop this war on Christmas stuff please. Most of those traditions are older than Christ. We've been celebrating winter festivals for thousands of years
P.s. obvious a but tongue in cheek there, but overall no I don't think lesbians , guys,trans and Queen folk are just a fad.
Homesuality and transgenerdism have been around for a long long time. If you still have people who while being persecuted, and in some cases executed for homosexuality, in Europe previously and still.in many countries today.
In the second way Christianity survived persecuton by the Romans, and then flourished as it became more accepted, I can't see less LGBTQ+ activity being less visible when it is accepted.
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Mar 11 '23 edited Mar 11 '23
If you are for live and let live, but don’t like others shoving it down your throat, well the LGBTQ$/)”$& “community” must really annoy you. It’s all attention seeking behavior, and than they get made when people point out it’s unhealthy. Probably would go a lot better for them if they chose that and just shut up, but no, they force it on everyone.
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u/Single_Appearance807 Mar 11 '23
Really, wanting equal rights and protection under the law is attention seaking?
I remember a time in the UK when Margret Thatcher wanted to ban obscene behaviour. It was done because of LGB shoving it in our faces, and protection of the youth. The law would have banned gay men holding hands in public. That is what ramming it in our faces was. Strangely Magneto(Sir Ian McKellen) among others defeated it.
I never hear complaints about how Irishness is rammed down people's throats every march, bacon and cabbage on sale in every shops. Massive parades....
I still don't know what the LGBT are doing that is considered attention seaking that other groups don't do and not get criticised for.
Lots of religious parades, lots of religious school. Lots of massive extravagant heterosexual weddings.
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Mar 11 '23
Well, for one. No homosexual and heterosexual relationships are not equal, not in the slightest. One of them is the bedrock on which the entire human species relies. However, if you are an adult, you are free to do what you want. My two issues are, first, trying to lie and trick children into your cult, when they are young and impressionable and can’t see through your obvious trickery yet. And secondly, shoving it down everyones throats, do what you do, trying to force everyone to play along is never going to happen. Every day, it’s gay and trans propaganda, on tv, the radio, the internet. If your an adult, go fuck whoever you want to fuck, you don’t have to tell the world and try and convince others that it’s good and wholesome. Just live your life, do what makes you happy, and don’t force your beliefs on everyone you see.
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u/Single_Appearance807 Mar 11 '23
A few comments. Thanks but I don't need you position to have sexual relations with my wife.
I can understand you position on marriage, but I disagree. For a lot of time and for a lot of cultures a union between one man and one woman was not the bedrock of culture.
And Inhave never accuse.you of ramming anything down someone's throat when you stage them.
But I don't know what cult you think I belong to? As for Propoganda, campaigning for equal rights? saying that people shouldn't be fired for being homosexual, that happens.
And I see lots of radio and TV time given to people who disagree and promote "traditional values".
As fornthe lies and trickery.again I disagree it is alien to say there is.nothing wrong with homosexualsnor trans sexuals.
I would gladly support a world where no indroctination of minors.is allowed. Even to the point where homosexuality is not mentioned to under 18's. Of course I would expectnthat to include all religions that cannot provide repeatable proof of the truth of their claims.
As for wholesomeness. There are lot of not wholesome heterosexual relationships, lots.od wholesome ones to.
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u/Sandman11x Mar 10 '23
I think Ben Shapiro is pandering to his audience. He would react this way no matter what was happening in society.
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u/StalkinDawg Mar 10 '23
I live in a conservative minded area. Many elementary and middle school teachers I know say that it’s a trend amongst their students to identify as gay or trans. For a period of time. They also say that by HS the majority of these students have sorted themselves out.
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u/mwatwe01 Facts don’t care about your feelings Mar 10 '23
Given a large enough sample size, I would love to see a breakdown by age, as to how many people consider themselves LGBT+.
If it is truly something people are "born with", the percentage by age groups should stay the same or increase as you compare older and older age groups.
What I think we'd see, though, is that the percentage would go down with age.
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u/Prestigious_Baker_51 Mar 10 '23
All of you who think being gay is a social contagion, please comment below what you think the percentage of lgbtq+ are caught up in this?
Clearly hard to determine, I’m really curious what y’all think.
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u/CosmicBob11 Mar 10 '23
As a Bisexual, my personal experience tells me that you cannot help it if you turn out to be LGB. Hormones, societal pressure, and or genetics likely determine that. Anyone who claims gay is a choice is an idiot.
Now, with that out of the way, I think half of these new “TQ+” nutcases are either straight and want to fit in, or gay and want to be particularly special.
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u/CorneliaSt11989 Mar 11 '23
It is because they turned "queer" into something other than a person attracted to the same sex. You have people calling themselves trans just because they are gender non-comforming in some way. It's silly.
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u/SupremePizzaManz Mar 27 '23
You realize the government used to chemically castrate gay people and lock them up. You realize it was a crime in many states to have gay sex up until the supreme court deemed it unconstitutional in 2003. You can pretend like oh I don't see color I don't see gay, but the fact is gay people face unbelievable discrimination by their friends and family, and up until recently the government to the point up to 40% of homeless people are LGBT. They are an out-group they have to support themselves against the tyranny of the majority. Well, now I suppose it isn't the case as over 70% of people support gay marriage, and 64% of people support protecting trans people from discrimination, according to pew. Looks like that majority is gone. However, some areas are far more homophobic and transphobic than others. I can guarantee many people on this subreddit would not hire a trans person. Many have said they have a mental illness, even Shapiro said that it might not be worth it to hire one. I know three trans people the first works for amazon and graduated from UCLA they are amazing at coding, the second also graduated from UCLA and is in residency after also graduating from medical school, the third is Filipino and currently holds an elected government position in the Philippines. These are the stories that need to be said, not this whole oh, trans people are mentally ill. The way you describe a group in your every day life is how you and people around you will treat them. The fact is trans people can live long and healthy lives and recent studies show that gender-affirming care and hormone blockers reduce depression rates by about 60%. Even IRAN supports sex changes and trans-gender people. Imagine being more totalitarian in our politics than Iran.
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u/CampaignAway1072 Mar 10 '23
Agreed. It's a trend for outcasts so they can feel acceptance and inclusion.