r/asheville • u/PrismPhoneService • Nov 21 '24
One states trash is another’s treasure. (TN is going to make the THC-A products illegal to distribute, one TN state Rep posted this yesterday) News
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u/Legitimate-Smell4377 Nov 21 '24
It’s wild that in 2024 you can drink yourself to death on Tennessee honey but they don’t want to let you buy a little pot.
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u/IllIlIllIIllIl Nov 21 '24
The alcohol lobby is a component in that.
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u/stoobiebatch Nov 22 '24
I always wondered why the tobacco industry didn’t pounce on marijuana legalization and take it over. Imagine Marlboro Greens in every gas station.
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u/WishFew7622 Nov 22 '24
They’d have to rebrand menthols and their marketing budget is blown on lawsuits
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u/Notlost-justdontcare Nov 24 '24
True but if they switched completely to cannabis products no one would remember what the lawsuits were for in the first place. 😋
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u/MetalViking107 Nov 22 '24
A beer lobby is now calling for tighter restrictions and a tax "higher than the highest rate on any beverage alcohol product." Aww, poor beer, they're struggling so much right now with breweries on every corner of every small town as well as walk-in beer coolers in every store. They need help, yall...
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u/IllIlIllIIllIl Nov 22 '24
Weed and Seltzer are eating into their profits and they want to do their best to entrench themselves while they still have the money. Same as any other lobby. It’s gross to see it from businesses I supported.
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u/Trisamitops Nov 22 '24
Came here to say this. They have such a problem with some CBD gummies, but let's not dare say anything about the "moonshine" they try to sell people every 2 steps you take.
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u/CarpeMuerte South Asheville 🚧🏢🚧 Nov 21 '24
It’s called the “Bible belt” for a reason. Their loss benefits NC, especially Cherokee.
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u/bigfruitbasket Nov 22 '24
Talk to the tribe. I bet they’d make space on the reservation for more tribal income. I fully support my Cherokee brethren.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 22 '24
Why would Cherokee want an outside corporation competing with their own company?
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u/bigfruitbasket Nov 22 '24
Why wouldn’t the tribe want to get in this business? The tribe partners with ATT for Internet connectivity on the reservation. They partner with lots of outside entities to benefit both sides. Or, they could start their own business. Imagine the possibilities.
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u/PrizedTurkey Level 69 Nov 22 '24 edited Dec 10 '24
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Nov 22 '24
Thca legality is just a loophole by way of verbiage. Thca is the “real thing”. Thca converts to thc when heated.
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Nov 22 '24
lol.
Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA, 2-COOH-THC; conjugate base tetrahydrocannabinolate) is a precursor of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), an active component of cannabis.[1] THCA is found in variable quantities in fresh, undried cannabis, but is progressively decarboxylated to THC with drying, and especially under intense heating such as when cannabis is smoked or cooked into cannabis edibles.[1]
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u/bigfruitbasket Nov 22 '24
Diversify!
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u/PrizedTurkey Level 69 Nov 22 '24 edited Dec 10 '24
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u/Revolutionary_Cod935 Nov 22 '24
And most real growers are opposed to the THCA market that they call a ticking timebomb.
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u/who8myface Nov 21 '24
Selling kits to turn beer city flare into weed city.
Stay weed Asheville!
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 22 '24
The whole state needs to just regulate commercial, craft, and home grow as liberally as New Mexico (basically the same as brewing wine), and then add cannabis product sales to the ABC election system to regulate retail sales, age restrict the product, and maximize tax revenue.
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u/Reasonable-Towel6225 Nov 21 '24
Fuckin anything but old fashioned THC eye roll
Remember when salvia was legal? Remember when spice was legal?
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u/Clean-Fox-1787 Nov 21 '24
Wild times lol
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u/Reasonable-Towel6225 Nov 21 '24
Salvia was one hell of an experience i tried it first, i was so scared of weed, i figured if that stuff was legal weed must be way crazy
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u/IAmNotARobotttttt Nov 21 '24
High THCA cannabis is the same thing as good old fashioned THC. The 2018 Farm Bill accidentally legalized weed nationally.
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u/Urza35 Nov 22 '24
Considering how complex cannabis is, that's very much reductionist. It takes more than THC to get you high. You need the precursors and the terpenes to get the cohort effect.
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u/IAmNotARobotttttt Nov 22 '24
That would be true but "high THCA cannabis" has all of those things because it's literally just regular cannabis that is legal through a loophole. And THC by itself definitely will get you very high, try dabbing some isolate and get back to me on that.
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u/Apricoydog Leicester Nov 23 '24
Kinda, DEA is the one deciding what the definition of THC is, and if it includes THCA...like you theoretically can't grow THCA if you have a federal hemp license because they do a total THC test, and it can't test over .3%. The DEA decided that it wasn't legal in May after they said it was (literally went to the supreme Court when Arkansas tried to make it illegal last Sept), but I think they're essentially just making it a states thing. Wisconsin I think had a huge statewide bust after they stated it in May
It's kinda wild that's it's such a huge industry because it can pretty much get the rug pulled out from under it whenever
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u/Boneboi423 Nov 22 '24
Imagine it being illegal to buy but legal to own.... Absolutely genius.
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u/bloodxandxrank Nov 22 '24
We need a weed bar.
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u/so-pitted-wabam Native Nov 23 '24
I haven’t been personally, but I hear good things about Little Amsterdam:
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u/SimilarAd402 Nov 25 '24
It's not really a "weed bar" but at asheville dispensary you can get flower and smoke on their patio and get drinks
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u/0MGWTFL0LBBQ Local Hero Nov 21 '24
It’s going to be a rough four years for everyone, regardless of who you voted for.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 21 '24
Maybe it won’t be
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u/AffectionateFig5864 West Asheville Nov 21 '24
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u/MountainCheesesteak Nov 21 '24
I’m sure you’re right! It will be ok for racist cops.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 21 '24
I hope it’s good for not-racist cops like myself too
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u/Underlord_Fox Nov 22 '24
Well, you're in a position of privilege and power, so yes, you should be fine. Glad you aren't racist!
Do you support mass deportations? Denaturalization of citizens? Do you think illegal immigrants from Europe should be mass deported? Do they get a pass?-9
u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24
Sure
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u/Spiraleyezz Nov 22 '24
Awww your little bootlicking funnies aren't working here :'(
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24
Are you referring to the downvotes? I'm an adult lol, I don't care about those.
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u/Spiraleyezz Nov 22 '24
You sure spend a lot of time fishing for karma for someone who doesn't care about upvotes lol. I'm just glad some folks are finally seeing through your feel good copaganda.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
Edit: very sad to see u/Spiraleeyezz leave a comment and then block me, it was such a productive conversation they skulked away from.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
The fact that police are not subject to the federal regulation (similar to the Universal Code of Military Justice) of militias explicitly called for by Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution means that all police are part of a corrupt and unconstitutional unregulated militia, and therefore cowards who are a direct threat to democracy and the rule of law.
You're as complicit and rotten as even the worst cop, because one rotten apple spoils the bunch.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 23 '24
The police and military are totally separate functions in every way imaginable and should not be compared.
I say this as someone who has served his country and community in both capacities. Have you?
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u/kjsmith4ub88 Nov 22 '24
Maybe I’m too young, but has anything gotten better under any president since idk the 1970s? Was ending the Vietnam war the last improvement we saw in this country? Everything else seems to have been slowly taken over by lobbyists and self serving politicians eating away at quality of life for 80% of Americans. We’ve gained some additional rights for marginalized people (and lost some), but also made 80% of people functionally poorer, with young people having the bleakest prospects off all rn. If half of what Trump says he wants to do is done, things won’t get better in 4 years. The tariffs alone would take our country 10-15 years minimum to build out additional manufacturing to lower prices back down to earth.
If someone fixes the increasing wealth gap in the country and ends our wars I will be the first to congratulate them, but why do we need to scare marginalized Americans in the process and be cruel to our own citizens? I simply do not trust billionaires and Christian nationalists to do a job that will require financial sacrifice from themselves and require increasing social freedoms n
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u/dbh1124 Nov 22 '24
Idk it was pretty cool when insurance companies weren’t able to deny me for preexisting conditions anymore
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u/kjsmith4ub88 Nov 22 '24
Well I will be paying 700/month for insurance this coming year and I cant even afford to use it. The ACA had good provisions, but due to decreasing quality in care and increase cost many people can’t seek care. Life expectancy in the US is decreasing as well.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
I feel like y'all are agreeing, but just don't realize it since y'all are leaving the solution open ended.
The solution is simply universal healthcare, and it has the added bonus of helping small businesses compete in the labor market.
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u/double_ewe Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
has anything gotten better under any president since idk the 1970s?
There are plenty of problems our country needs to tackle, but we are also seeing a lot of very good trends over the last several decades, including:
- Lower infant mortality
- Longer life expectancy
- Less violent crime
- Less teen pregnancy
- Fewer war fatalities
- Increased survival rate for cancer
- Increased average levels of education and IQ
- Expanded rights, opportunities and political representation for marginalized groups (interracial marriage was not legal nationally until 1967, and women could not get credit cards in their own name until 1974)
Again I'm not trying to be dismissive or wear rose-colored glasses, but for all of our problems, our country has been steadily improving in many extremely foundational ways.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24
All I did was suggest the possibility that it won't be al that bad, I honestly didn't expect this kind of a response.
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u/kjsmith4ub88 Nov 22 '24
That’s the joy of Reddit. Some of us can’t sleep at 3am so you’re gonna get an earful of problems😂
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u/Realistic-Square-758 Nov 22 '24
Oh yes feigh ignorance when you don't get the response you wanted. Very cool.
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24
Not really. I didn’t think suggesting it might not be the next holocaust would be met with such negativity is all.
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u/foreverpetty Nov 22 '24
Sorry you're catching so much flak. I understood what you meant, not because I voted for the incoming administration or not because I share many viewpoints commonly attributes to the GOP, but because I also understand that life will most likely still exist on this planet a year, four years, and perhaps even a hundred years from now, ceterus paribus.
Unfortunately, in my experience, this sub simply won't accept anything less than hearty agreement that whatever is currently happening "...is literally the WORST, and nothing will EVER be OK, EVER again." We're all victims left to die or become slaves to the patriarchy forever, and it's all because of the right-wing and corporations that screw us all and that the red-state brainwashed Jesus freaks keep voting into office!!!"
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u/HallOfTheMountainCop Nov 22 '24
Lately it feels like people want it to be horrible under Trump and suggesting it might not be is taboo. It's bizarre behavior.
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u/foreverpetty Nov 22 '24
Victim mentality demands that it be so.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
Except there is a very real middle ground where the corruption of the Republican Party , and complicit allowance of it by Democrats to a certain degree (see insider trading in Congress), is a very real threat to democracy, but there is still a very reasonable hope that the rule of law in our republic will prevail.
Some things, like the hypervocationalism of college, the rent seeking under the Bayh-Dole Act, Insider Trading, and regulatory capture are problems exasperated by the neoliberal oligarch cucks in both parties.
Some things, like the very real threat of steep federal criminal pemalties for undocumented immigrants and vagrants means a wild expansion of the use and eventual abuse of the legality of prison slave labor reminescent of Sundown Towns and the Jim Crow era when poor people (and especially those of color) were under constent threat of enslavement through the arbitrary application of overly broad laws. Remember, black people would be arrested as "vagrants" for being out at after night without some minimum amount of money on them.
Then you have things such as the active call for a new Constitutional Convention by republican led state legistlatures (every other amendment has come through the congressional process so far), wherein they are explcitly calling for an amendment to create state nullification of federal laws. But when a constititional convention is called by a supermajority a state legislatures, there is no real way to keep that convention from amending the entire constitution, and then being rubber stamped by those same legislatures (they don't have to call a popular vote for it to be legal under the constitution). This leaves open the very real possiiblty that once the Republican Party controls enough state legistures they can amend the US Consitution to get rid of those pesky bits, like the guarantee of a republican form of government in the states - or just outright rewritting the whole thing (like they did in 1787, but in the worst way possible).
It is so much easier to for a democracy to decay via corruption into an autocracy than for a democracy to overcome a corrupt autocrcy.
Also, we already know for a fact that the Republican party will always circle their wagons when someone like State Senator Ralph Hise gets caught defrauding $10k in campaign funds, or some pervert like Jim Jordan lets children be molested.
And let's not forget that Madison Cawthorn got burned by the party for letting slip that Congressional Republicans host cocaine fueled orgies (think about that everytime you see Representative Fox), and given everything we know about Epstein (how how tightly by the balls Putin has the GOP), there is a very real chance that Russia caught the upper echelon of the GOP having some fucked up Skull and Bones as secrert society where they film kompromat of Congressional Republicans at these cocaice fueled orgies with sex trafficked minors (me thinks they do complain too much with their accusations while they actively hide things like Epstein and Gaetz - its always porjection).
But meanwhile, everyone calls Illinois corrupt because the Democratic Party in Illinois actually investigates and convicts their corrupt politicians instead of circling the wagons.
So yeah, we are on a precipice, and democracy is in the balance - and, unfortunatley, democracy requires an active and knowledgable citienry at all times, becuase this sort of corruption by a party is and always has been a very real threat. Madison and Hamiliton even pointed that out in the Federalist Papers when they said the last bullwark against a corrupt party colluding between the three branches would ultimately only be the "pride" of Senators refusing to give up their authority to autocratic President, and would ultimately impeach a Trump - but it turns out that Rpeublicans are as big of spineless cowards as the Roman Senate was to Mark Antony.
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u/Billz3bub666 Nov 22 '24
One thing Asheville needs is more vape shops, I've been saying
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
People hate me for saying it, but fuck vape shops. Their image is probably one of the main reasons moderates and conservatives still have reservations about recreational cannabis in North Carolina.
I know everyone hates the ABC stores, but they solve all the issues that ever other states have had to deal with for legalization (besides Illinois making it stupidly expensive to get a craft growers license, and not allowing a reasonable amount of personal homegrow), and gives the state a very clear path forward with perfectly a perfectly reasonable compromise.
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u/Billz3bub666 Nov 24 '24
My issue is related to this. A) Vape shops look hella sketchy. and B) every piece of real estate in town has one. They're more prolific than Dollar General. And always a neon monstrosity akin to a Lucky 777's video slots parlor. If they had a more upscale image and didn't occupy at least one slot in every strip mall, I could humor them more.
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u/doggos4house2020 Nov 22 '24
The most idiotic thing is that these losers love drugs. This is just policy to harass and incarcerate certain demographics. Weed legalization is almost unanimously supported on both sides of the isle, yet we have to play this charade.
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u/spunionfucktard Nov 22 '24
It’s a bit unnerving that our new Governor was one of the Attorneys General who signed on to a letter to congress urging a ban on intoxicating hemp
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 22 '24
The fact that the products are unregulated means they can contain dangerous amounts of pesticides, and stuff, that would general be considered adulterants if found in other products.
They should absolutely be banned in that sense. The state should also legalize cannabis production as liberally as wine, and the restrict retail cannabis sales to ABC stores and approved licensees.
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u/spunionfucktard Nov 22 '24
Ooof… tell me you don’t know what a COA is without telling me you don’t know what a COA is… I operate in the space and know there are bad actors but it’s a quick fix through sensible regulation rather than banning outright… the over regulation of cannabis leaves legacy players like myself operating illegally… I don’t think many of us mind it but we’d rather pay taxes
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
I think thou dost complain to much.
I specifically said they should have reasonable and liberal regulations instead of the pay to play testing of barnyard trash people like you are peddling on the street.
But hey, thanks for admitting that you are in it to make a profit to the detriment of society with the casual admission of operating in the black market.
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u/Donnie-Burger Nov 23 '24
Issue being that almost all the COAs that I’ve seen around here are B.S because big retailers don’t want to risk sending off something that will test as THC instead of THCA. They send off known THCA samples, then reassign them to something else. It’s quite clever but eventually folks will catch on when they get curious and send off a test to double check. Almost none of the paperwork is real on the big retail sites.
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u/foreverpetty Nov 22 '24
If it's a choice between shutting down a legitimate business and risking jail and fines etc., or paying taxes, the choice does become pretty clear
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u/wadeewiggins Nov 22 '24
I predict a rash of high end cookie shops opening up. Cookies are $50 but come with a free quarter ounce
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u/PrizedTurkey Level 69 Nov 21 '24 edited Dec 10 '24
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u/Axel3600 Nov 22 '24
"Why not move" is why these places are able to continue instating such archaic laws. Stay and vote vote vote
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u/Gumbi_Digital Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
Oh no…the leader of the NC House GOP is CEO of a CBD company that sells “hemp” products all over NC. Not going away anything soon…
https://www.wunc.org/politics/2024-02-07/nc-house-leader-is-the-new-president-of-a-cbd-hemp-company
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u/Short_Bed9097 Nov 22 '24
And that’s why we don’t have full legalization
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
We really should legalize production as liberally as wine, the way New Mexico did (and not at all like the absurd and stupidly expensive licenses in Illinois), with the compromise that cannabis dispenseries are restricted to ABC stores (and reasonable licensees, similar to bars) after local elections approving sales in the municipalities.
It would allow local farmers to compete with mega-corporations (think craft brewing licenses, brew pub license, and large scale production licenses) while allowing a reasonable amount of home grow (same way I can brew a hundred gallons of wine as long as I don't sell or distill it), maximize tax revenue, allow for reasonable local rule, and be a reasonable compromise for conservatives who make the very reasonable case that it probably shouldn't be readily available after every sketchy corner store for kids to easily access.
The entire apparatus to set up recreational cannabis sales in North Carolina is already there; the ABC Commission regulates commercial production and sales (b2b and b2c), the Ag Department regulates production safety and quality (pesticides, runoff, adulterants, testing etc), and the health department obviously regulates edibles.
The only two things that would take any amount of appreciable time would just be the ABC Commision writing the specific rules for, for example, how a craft grower or grow club applies for a license (after the GA specifies which types of licenses are available - which would ideally look like something between fortified wine and liquor, as I already said); and then obviously an election cycle for local voter approval. Of course, the GA could specify things like a couunty over X population with full liquor sales approval automatically has retail cannabis at the ABC stores, or allow licenses like the "tourist establishment" license that allows resturants within a half mile of a Parkway exit to sell liquor regardless of if the local municipality is dry with the direct approval of the ABC Commision).
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 22 '24
It’s absurd that we don’t just regulate production of cannabis like wine, and then sell the cannabis products at the ABC store.
I want to buy legal weed, without kids having absurdly easy access to vapes, and while collecting local taxes.
With the ABC system every municipality can vote on if they want a dispensary, cannabis bars, and social smoking in designated areas using a system the whole state is familiar with.
It’s such a straightforward system that Carolina could have a fully running and regulated system within two years (and that’s just to allow local elections, since it’s already thanksgiving). Mind you, the ABC board already special license classes that they directly regulate independent of local elections, like the tourist entertainment license within a half mile of a blue ridge parkway exit. So really, the GA could turn around and have all of these intoxicating cannabis products restricted to sales at ABC stores overnight if they wanted to.
And while I like my local smoke shops, fuck them if this is the comprise we need to actually get cannabis products regulated, and collect the resulting taxes, then it’s what we should do.
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u/hoptagon West Asheville Nov 21 '24
They should be in a place that will also take the product. Legal states will be less inclined to buy THCA products.
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u/Urza35 Nov 22 '24
You've seen data sheets of cannabis flower that's been tested at a certain stage in growth and became convinced, but you don't have the underlying fundamentals or knowledge to know for sure if those tests are a product of when they test and what they're testing for
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
THCa decarboxylizes into THC, but it not all of it does. And since we do not metabolize THCa you can actually tell if someone is taking a cannabis product high in THCa (uncured), a moderate amount of THCa (meaning more THC or further to CBN), or synthetic/isolated THC (like marinol).
Testing for an accurate ratio and concentration (since some is completely destroyed via combustion) of THCa, THC, and CBN is heavily dependent on testing protocols as temperture and rate of reaction impact the amount of decarboxylation of the analyte - ideally it would closely match the actual use of the product as consumed with a comparison to the baseline of compounds in the plant.
CBGA is catalyzed by three different proteins into the isomers THCa, CBDa, and CBCa; their ratio and total concentration is solely dependent on genetics and growth conditions. THCa, CBDa, and CBCa are then non-catalytically converted into multiple different species (slowly by free oxygen, light, and just acids being acids -lookup "acid dissociation constant"-, or rapidly via applied heat and combustion), such as THC which then further converts to CBN (why the high "mellows out" with curing).
In theory, the producer would use analytical chemistry to characterize ratio of compaunds in the raw plant to accurately describe cannabinoid ratios in the raw plant, and the resulting highs that will be achieved depending on the curing method (and to track the progress of curing for those target results), while a standard procedure is developed to accurately protray the various resulting cannabinod ratios from different consumbtion methods for the same finished product (why edibles, smoking, and concentrates all have differnt highs).
That would provide an accurate description of the cannabis products' effects, but instead we are stuck with the complete absolute psuedoscience horse shit that is "indica vs sativa".
But that isn't how current testing methods are carried out or reported, and often it isn't even clear if the labs are differentiating between THC, CBN, and THCa - especially with how inconsistent and poorly thought out testing and labeling regulations currently are given the wild difference between academic research and psuedoscience that plagues cannabis production.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24
Harvest time, curing methodolgy, handeling, perperation, and choice of consumption method all impact the ratio and concentration of cannabinoids that utlimately make it into the body, and you are absolutelty correct that our current testing protocols and labeling regulations completely fail to capture that, let alone accuretly convey it to consumers.
This is most evident by the simple fact that almost every budtender makes recommendations based om leaf shape phenotypes (sative vs indica) which has no real correlation to cannabinoid ratios, while lab results are all over the place as far as accurately repesenting the finished product at the time and as available to the consumer. And, again, just changing the method of consumption from combustion to vaporization or solvent/heat extraction changes the actual ratio and isomer of cannabinoids present to varying degrees.
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u/PancakeParthenon Nov 22 '24
I hope so. I'd love to get in on the ground floor! Cannabis plants are neat and it'd be super fun to learn to run a grow.
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u/serious_sarcasm Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
I'd give you C in cannabis class, and a D- in a biochemistry class.
Cannabigerollic acid is actively catalyzed into various isomers of C21 H30 O2 each by a unique synthase (a catalytic protein), and some of the isomers are enatiomers (of course biology tends to have a bias when making enatiomers due to d-glucose and l-amino acids, while spontainious reactions do not). So the acids of CBD, THC, and CBC (the cannabinoids we're most familiar with) are each unique pathways - which means more of one neccesarily means less of the others as there is only so much CBga to go around in the trichromes to catalyzed.
CBD, THC, and CBC then undergo none catalyzed reactions (as you mostly accurately described). Except the carboxylized products always exist in an equilibrium with the neutral products dependent on its acid dissociation constant, and the amount of free energy available (think combustion); so not all of the THCa will convert to THC, and not all of the THC will convert to CBN or delta-8. So an aged product will slowly convert to THC and CBN in the trichomes (THCa is not further metobolized by mammals in our bodies, which should be noted) which we recognize as different highs due to THCa, THC, CBD, and CBN all interacting differently with our endocannabinoid recepters. Unfortunately, most of what people "know" about curing is bro-science, and simply not well documented - but efforts are underway.
The entourage effect is also poorly and inconsistently described - obviously different drugs (thc vs cbn for example) have different effects - shit, even racemers can have wildly different biological activity. Usually "entourage effect" more accurately describes the propesed hypothesis that the terpenes and non-psychoactive cannabinoids impact the metobolism of cannabinoids in the mammalian body. Which makes sense if the enzymes in the synapses are too busy preferentially breaking down a non-psychoactive cannabinoid to target THC, for example, but makes less sense if you suggest the aromatic Limonene (the flavor in lemons), or other terpenes, somehow impacts the high (it might, but then so would eating a lemon or manga).
The big problem with the unregulated THCa market is that I don't want pesticides and herbicides on my cannabis anymore than I want it on my lettuce, or methanol in my liquor.
The biosynthesis of cannabinoids remains incompletely understood at the molecular level (Fellermeier and Zenk 1998). In brief, cannabinoids share a common initial pathway: tetraketide synthase (TKS) (Kearsey et al. 2020), a type III polyketide synthase (PKS), catalyzes the sequential condensation of hexanoyl-CoA with three molecules of malonyl-CoA to yield 3,5,7-trioxododecaneoyl-CoA (Fig. 2a) (Taura et al. 2007b). This is cyclized and aromatized, with the loss of Coenzyme A, by olivetolic acid cyclase (OAC), to olivetolic acid (OLA) (Gagne et al. 2012). Aromatic prenyltransferase then inserts the prenyl group at the highly nucleophilic 2-resorcinol position to provide cannabigerolic acid (CBGA) (Fellermeier and Zenk 1998). This core intermediate then diverges to provide the cannabinolic acids (THCA, CBDA, and CBCA) that proceed to THC, CBD, and CBC by non-enzymatic decarboxylation (Fig. 2a) (Flores-Sanchez and Verpoorte 2009).
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The neutral cannabinoids, like Δ9-THC and CBD do not occur at significant concentrations in the plants but are readily accessed by nonenzymatic thermal decarboxylation when exposed to light or heat via smoking or baking (Tan et al. 2018). To characterize decarboxylation, sensitive analytical methods are needed to quantify, in real-time, the concentrations of both acids and neutral cannabinoids in their complex matrix (Wang et al. 2016). Temperature and heating duration are very important: over-heating directly decomposes cannabinoids and prolonged reaction times induce side reactions including over-oxidation, decreasing the yield and increasing the impurity profile (Fig. 6c). Chemical analyses are usually reported as the sum of the acidic and neutral forms of the cannabinoids; furthermore, THC levels are reported as a combination of THC and CBN levels as Δ9-THCA and Δ9-THC themselves readily oxidize respectively to CBNA and cannabinol (CBN, Fig. 6c) with heat, oxygen, and light (Moreno-Sanz 2016; Pellati et al., 2018; Dussy et al. 2005). These levels are measured primarily using either gas or liquid chromatography (GC and LC) (Wang et al. 2016). Based on the work of many analytical studies using gas and liquid chromatography over recent years (for a detailed review of the contributions of various authors, please see the SI, Figures S2 and S3), the current proposed mechanism for thermal decarboxylation invokes an intramolecular hydrogen bond with the ortho-phenol (Figure S4) and appears to be a commonality for this series of 2-hydroxybenzoic acids (Perrotin-Brunel et al. 2011)
As discussed, Δ9-THCA and Δ9-THC readily oxidize into CBNA and CBN in the presence of oxygen and light during thermal decarboxylation or even just upon aging (Fig. 6c) (Moreno-Sanz 2016; Pellati et al., 2018; Dussy et al. 2005) in the same way, during storage or during decarboxylation, Δ9-THC can also oxidize into an isomer known as Δ8-THC, which is an artifact of the aging process (Pellati et al., 2018). As decarboxylation is only partial, THCA can be found, together with Δ9-THC, in the oral fluid, serum, and urine of cannabis consumers (Dussy et al. 2005; Jung et al. 2007; Moore et al. 2007). This can be used forensically, as THCA does not convert to Δ9-THC in vivo, displaying its own metabolic and elimination pathways (Fig. 6c); consequently, the presence of THCA distinguishes between the use of plant-based cannabis and prescribed synthetic Δ9-THC, e.g., Marinol® (Jung et al. 2009; Raikos et al. 2014). Although still relevant in jurisdictions practicing prohibition, this is likely to become far less important as legalization spreads.
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u/Ecave97 Nov 22 '24
Don’t celebrate too soon AVL, I think our loophole is closing Jan 1st. Please inform me if I’m just being paranoid. https://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/us-states/texas/news/15686642/thca-in-the-farm-bill-amendment-goes-far-beyond-closing-loopholes
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u/SaffronMoonbeam Nov 22 '24
I don't think you're being paranoid but I do think it would be stupid to shut down such a huge profitable industry that employs thousands of people. I don't think ita likely to drastically change even though it has the opportunity. I also think that even though it's an uphill battle, eventually weed will be legalized so, personally I think it would be idiotic to just shut down the loophole
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u/Exciting-Source-3449 Nov 23 '24
Thank you Tenn. You just made a huge mistake on your way to the bottom and as I see it I and probably others have no real reason to visit there ever again. As the saying goes, been there done that and no reason to do it again.
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u/aCarolinaDrama Nov 23 '24
I moved back to Robbinsville about a month ago and they had 2 different vape shops over here where they sold THC-A products and the police raided them yesterday and shut them down. They said it had something to do with illegal gambling and product being sold to minors. Feeling a little depressed today about being back in this small town bullshit.
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u/marcusregistrada Nov 23 '24
we can just meet at the state line and trade vape pens and gummies for bottle rockets and roman candles
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u/Prelle41 Nov 23 '24
Yea, as if the market for THCa isn't already flooded here. I mean, I wish anyone who is trying to move their business here the best, but good luck with that. You better have something special to offer or you're going to get lost in the sea of other, already well-established smoke shops and CBD stores.
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u/HotCouplePeepShow Nov 24 '24
They can just buy it online. Aretehemp an Asheville dispensary both sell online.
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u/Urza35 Nov 22 '24
Fun fact that's just right out in the open on subs like Cult of the Franklin: they admit their flower doesn't work properly, insisting that you have to cure it for two weeks AFTER you buy it, because the shops can't and still be in compliance with Trump's farm bill.
Whatever lengths you have to go through, but this constant gaslighting from the THCA cult is getting tiresome. Again, I'm a Jerry's Kid who has to go to VA to get medicine to help my legs chill out. Can you not understand the hell it is to drive past 40-50 fake dispensaries every time I leave the house? And to constantly be told that you're lying.
Whatever, everyone seems to see this as "jobs good, sector big," and I'm pretty used to get screwed over so the rich can get richer -- can't really color myself shocked.
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u/spunionfucktard Nov 22 '24
There’s zero chain of custody, farms are selling & shipping cannabis right to your door thanks to the Farm Bill… ALL TYPE 1 CANNABIS IS THCA CANNABIS
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u/MetalViking107 Nov 22 '24
One of my first times in a THCA store, the guy behind the counter had to take a minute to ask me if I knew who signed the farm bill into law that allowed for those products was, and then bragged that it was Donald Trump. First off, I don't really give a shit that the dude half assed legalized fake weed, it's hardly an accomplishment. Second, it's not much of a brag when Republicans are going to be the ones to destroy it all the second they're able to. Tell me again about how much Republicans hate the government interfering with our lives.
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u/GeorgeBushTwinTowers Native Nov 22 '24
Do you want your little kid to say ‘Hey daddy, President Bush tried marijuana, I think I will’?
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u/Urza35 Nov 21 '24
Great, more useless, fake weed stores
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u/Wallmassage Nov 22 '24
Guess you haven’t been purchasing anything from these places, because they are definitely not fake or useless
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u/Urza35 Nov 22 '24
I've spent a few hundred dollars trying different THCA products over the years and none have ever worked for me. Believe me, I would just go to the store near me if it weren't a rip off. But as it stands, I'm much happier going to Virginia and getting exotics for 10 a gram, at least until Cherokee catches up or North Carolina catches on.
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u/SaffronMoonbeam Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
Please try ordering from Dr. Ganja. We are very picky and use thca for pain and medical reasons (rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia) and we have found both the price cheaper and the strength to be equally as good as normal weed. Highly recommend. Www.drganja.com i think is the website. Shit's legit
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u/SaffronMoonbeam Nov 22 '24
Expect long shipping times though up to 2 weeks until arriving sometimes
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u/Wallmassage Nov 22 '24
It truly depends on what you get. I’ve gotten THCA green and edibles that were only Meh, but I’ve had some edibles that were stronger than almost anything I’ve ever had. Treats brand is no joke! The cereal bar, just a portion, just about took me out. And Apotheca, knock out cookies flower is pretty nice. I agree that it is overpriced sometimes, and Virginia has better stuff. But for local legal stuff, there is some decent THCA stuff out there. Good luck!
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u/bokehtoast North Asheville Nov 22 '24
It's weird how you don't see a bunch of people defending jobs like they do with actually problematic industries
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Just what Asheville needs, more fake unregulated cannabis.
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u/Gumbi_Digital Nov 22 '24
THCa is traditional cannabis flower that is tested early in the grow for THC so its stays below the .03% threshold BY WEIGHT.
It’s a loophole in the Farm Bill. Both THCa and THC only become psychoactive when it’s heated via a flame or carboxylated with heat to make edibles.
THCa % = THC %
Good write up on Delta 8 and Delta 10 here:
https://www.healthline.com/health/delta-8-vs-delta-9-vs-delta-10#delta-8-effects
Note, THCa, Delta 8, and Delta 10 usage will make you fail a drug test.
If you’re going to use cannabis, my opinion is to use THCa and stay away from the Delta 8 and Delta 10.
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Nov 22 '24
Sure it’s tested for thc content, but farm bill compliant cannabis is heavily resonated, more harmful to the lungs during inhalation, bad actors grow with non organic fertilizers and don’t flush, it tastes like shit, and there is no oversight other than it being “lab tested”. If you live in a state with medical, you instantly see the difference in quality, taste, and smoothness.
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u/Kenilwort Kenilworth Nov 21 '24
That was nice of TN to help assist in WNC recovery.