r/amibeingdetained • u/Terrible-Scheme9204 • 15d ago
Sask. man tries to 'opt out' of fentanyl trafficking trial as 'sovereign individual'
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/sask-man-tries-to-opt-out-of-fentanyl-trafficking-trial-as-sovereign-individual-1.7152595?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar43
u/BowwwwBallll 14d ago
“I’d like to opt out.”
“Acknowledged. We are opting you back in.”
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u/Kriss3d 14d ago
"Granted. When are you leaving the country ?"
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u/Hemiak 13d ago
Seriously. Put him on a boat and drop him outside territorial waters, with instructions that if he violates the country borders as a non-citizen he will be shot.
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u/UrbanGhost114 12d ago
The US cannot make someone stateless by law.
That said, I'm not morally opposed to granting their wishes in such a manner.
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u/purplesmoke1215 11d ago
If he revokes his own status as a citizen, can we really say the government made him stateless?
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u/xplorerex 9d ago
What if he opts out of being stateless.
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u/purplesmoke1215 8d ago
If he renounces his only legal citizenship he kinda opted into statelessness
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u/fusionsofwonder 14d ago
The province is also a sovereign and you're in their territory, bud. Diplomatic immunity with you is a contract they didn't sign.
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u/yesnomaybenotso 14d ago
Don’t these stupid fucks know that if you commit a crime in another country, that country can still punish them for said crime? Like…since the first day laws existed. This has always been the case. So go ahead, be sovereign. But you still gotta go to court, idiot. Non-citizens go to court all the fucking time.
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u/realparkingbrake 14d ago
if you commit a crime in another country,
They think they have a cheat code for that, they are no longer citizens but instead have a status as a state or provincial citizen who has a sort of diplomatic immunity. In the U.S. they claim to be American State Nationals rather than U.S. citizens. It's complete nonsense, there is no such special status, but they believe it anyway, or at least pretend to believe it.
People from American Samoa and a couple of other U.S. possessions get U.S. passports with a printed endorsement inside saying they are U.S. Nationals but not U.S. citizens; they lack some rights of citizens like voting in national elections. Sovcits think they too have passports which convey a special status, but they don't like to talk about the fact that there is no endorsement inside pointing to such a status.
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u/yesnomaybenotso 14d ago
Even if there was a status for them, if an American Samoa commits a crime in Ohio and gets caught, they’re going to court in Ohio.
The mental gymnastics these people do is just dumbfounding.
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u/Kitchen_Name9497 13d ago
American Samoa is the only possession where this is true. All others are citizens.
Edit: and, as citizens, if they reside in a state, they may vote.
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u/AgreeableRaspberry85 14d ago
How can these people function when all they do is cause trouble all the time? You’d think after having none of their bullshit work at all they’d just give up?
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u/Diz7 14d ago
Half the time they pull this shit it's over absolutely minor things they are just getting a warning for. They get let go, maybe with a ticket they will just ignore, and think their magic words worked.
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u/Codex_Dev 12d ago
Can you imagine working with one of these people irl? You know they would be causing a ton of workplace drama
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u/adequately_punctual 12d ago
Bold of you to assume these people work.
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u/Bright-End-9317 9d ago
Anyone LIVING in America is working somehow... except billionaires possibly
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u/oneofmanyany 14d ago
They saved the funniest part for the end of the article: “I explained to him that if he did not appear at his trial as required, I could consider issuing a bench warrant for his arrest. In response, Mr. MacGregor suggested he may issue a bench warrant for my arrest.”
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u/Compulawyer 13d ago
Ah. The time-honored, “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense. They never suspect that one.
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u/the_last_registrant 13d ago
Classic sovcit magical thinking. "I reject your so-called laws, but I demand compensation under those same laws"
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u/Business_Stick6326 12d ago
Most of my adult life as a LEO and I've never once been lucky enough to run across one of these dudes.
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u/Choice_Television244 13d ago
make him eat it .
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u/Bright-End-9317 9d ago
Forced unsafe consumption of a substance that can and is safely consumed by human beings is pretty cool beans for you for some reason. You should think on that.
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u/Expensive-Meaning-85 11d ago
The judge seems to be being very Canadian. He is treating it like a fake he can play too. Very polite but you are still going to prison. Wow
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u/HopeRepresentative29 11d ago
"We declare war on your sovereign nation. We will accept your unconditional surrender. If you refuse, no quarter will be given. Would you like to surrender or do you have an army nearby who'd like to try enforcing your sovereignty?"
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u/FlavioLikesToDrum 14d ago
“I explained to him that if he did not appear at his trial as required, I could consider issuing a bench warrant for his arrest. In response, Mr. MacGregor suggested he may issue a bench warrant for my arrest.”
The No-You school of law.