Since she wasn't the person he thought she was when he consented, it's technically rape again. Mf got SA'd once again and at this point, all I can do is type "lmao".
Why did they even do that. Why did they bring Steve back by having him possess some random guy’s body and not just bring him back as him? It’s literally a magic wishing stone it can do whatever the fuck the writers want it to be
Right? That made NO sense. The stone could literally just… bring him back? Why the hell did they need to add that whole part with them using a strangers body.
It’s because the writers wanted goofy scenes of Steve trying on a wardrobe of 80s clothing, so they decided to just have him take over somebody’s existing life.
It's even worse when you realise they literally could've brought him back and had the exact same experience of a guy from the second world war trying on 80's fashion.
Afaik Chris Pine is in the film too so, it's even more confusing why they went with the whole taking over another body thing
Genuinely disgustingly bad movie. Words cannot describe just how shit it is. There is one fun scene with 80s camp and the rest is a joke. Plus gal Gadot sucks
I believe it’s due to rewrites. Steve wasn’t originally taking over someone’s body. He just appeared. So the sex wasn’t weird. That’s why when he vanishes and she gets her powers back, he just straight up vanishes. It’s also why he can’t fly because he has no passport. Something that wouldn’t be an issue if he was in someone’s body.
Because the wishing stone was created by the God of Lies.
They could’ve done something else, but the point of the wishing stone is whatever you wish for, it’s twisted into a lie version of it. She got Steve back, except it’s not really him.
Yeah, consent at least in uk law has to be “real and informed” so 100% a form of either rape or SA, don’t know why the show loves doing it to hughie so much
That maybe but he is the showrunner, it's his vision for the story and the characters that the writers write towards. If it was not meant to be played for laughs then this episode would have shown a traumatised Hughie.
Haven't you seen the ending? He was traumatised, freaking out about Ashley and wishing his dad was there with him. He was uncomfortable throughout the sa scene.
It's good that they showed Hughie to have some trauma from the scene, but I think he should have also mentioned it to Annie at the start of the latest episode just to show how is is still affected by it.
Yeah he could've, but when you think about it, it is kinda realistic that he doesn't want to talk about it and in fear of ridicule, people keeping such traumatic experiences under wraps.
Unless she's vaguely psychic and absorbs enough of Annie to want to bang Hughies.
I mean, she absorbed enough Annie to know the safe code.
Which brings me back to a complaint I've had with this show for a while. There's a lot of brutal ways that supes accidentally kill or maim civilians, but not enough cool ways to kill supes.
In this case, think of all the awesome ways you could murder a supe that absorbs personalities. Frenchie would go nuts.
Given that a running theme of this show is Superheroes having certain... fixations... involving their own powers? I'm pretty sure the Shifter might just have a fixation on "taking over" the lives of their victims. Sleeping with Starlight's boyfriend while wearing Starlight's costume was probably part of that. The Shifter was acting for their own gratification - it had nothing to do with Annie or Hughie. From the Shifter's PoV, they're basically getting to live in the shoes of a celebrity.
In Tek Knights Cave, since Hughie technically wasn't the person Ashley thought he was (webweaver), does this mean Ashley technically sexually assaulted by Hughie?
I would say Ashley and Hughie were both victims in this case. Neither had the ability or knowledge to stop the sexual acts.
Ashley just didn’t know and Hughie didn’t trick them with intent to play sexual games and also didn’t have the ability to say no, due to fear of death. Tek Knight knew sooner than he let on, and he was about to do some nastier shit to Hughie.
That situation is pretty complicated because technically he's only in that position due to his deception towards Tek Knight but he also didn't enter that cave under the presumption that he had to take part in some BDSM fetish play, and when he was there it would have already been too late to abort the ruse because he knew it would get him killed. So in a sense everyone in that cave isn't able to give informed consent at that point.
Someone replied to me that both Hughie and Ashley are victims in this fucked up situation due to lack of informed consent, which I agree.
I was just wondering in morbid curiosity if Hughie could be considered culpable on his part in a strictly technical sense due to the deception regarding his identity.
Would be an interesting question to ask a lawyer. My strong suspicion is that Hughie would be more culpable than Ashley because he was at least aware that he wasn't supposed to be there, while Ashley had no reason to believe that she was participating in someone's sexual assault. Looking at the types of mens rea, which is integral to determining a person's degree of culpability when they've committed a crime, Ashley basically satisfies none of those except conceivably negligence. A prosecutor might argue that she should have adequately verified the identity of the masked individual and determined whether he was actually aware of his safe-word before she proceeded with her dominatrix act. An extenuating circumstances for Hughie would be that he was legitimately afraid for his life and did actually try to inform Ashley that he wanted her to stop, which Ashley respected initially. The only reason that situation went on for as long as it did was because Tek Knight insisted that Fake Weaver was just pretending to be distressed.
It's actually insane that they had him go through it twice in a row. There is a mercy in that he doesn't know this time but when he finds out... jesus.
Saw this in another thread and can’t believe I have to say it again: he pretended to be someone else and then suddenly found himself in a situation where he had to consent to avoid harm.
Consent under duress is not freely given consent. This isn’t rocket science.
But in court, Hughie would be in big trouble.
Trying to convince the judge that revealing his identity would do him any harm, since he was surrounded by heroes.
He wouldn't be when he DID try to get out of the situation (he said no when he realized it was about to be taken too far) and Tek was the one who refused to let Ashley stop. Hughie did try to stop the assault from happening by withdrawing consent. But let's be real; this would never hold up on court because courts tend to not take sexual assault THAT seriously. So it would merely be a slap on the wrist, either way. The only reason why it would be taken far would be because of Hughie being perceived as the enemy, rather than what actually took place.
But let's be real; this would never hold up on court because courts tend to not take sexual assault THAT seriously. So it would merely be a slap on the wrist, either way.
IMO, the issue of getting it to hold up in court wouldn't be because of the court not taking it seriously, but because of Tek Knight having enough money and powerful friends to make life difficult for anyone trying to prosecute him.
Saying I'm not Webweaver also would have gotten him killed so gee, wonder why he didn't think of doing that to get out of it.
I am very aware of the safe word use in the BDSM community. Some people have been very helpful on here in explaining all of that. They've also said that there are multiple forms of consent, not just one safe word. I also assume, in order for consensual BDSM to work, there'd need to be confirmation when you're doing it with someone for the first time in person. Making sure everyone is all good and understand the consent. And that Hughie, once again, didn't know about any of this until it was far too late to back out. It was literally a situation where HE wasn't informed on Webweaver's actual purpose of being invited to the party and he was unable to get out of it by the time he DID realize it.
It was a stupid ass plot to begin with. I hated every second of it, so it doesn't really matter lol
Why are we talking about a judge when this would never be a thing anyway? Not a single person would take it to court or take it seriously, so it doesn't really matter. At all.
He had the choice to reveal his identity.
Which he would be questioned about in court.
Then he'd have to convince the court that revealing his identity wasn't possible and that 2 heroes + the ceo of a mega corporation would have killed him.
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u/FalseAladeen Jul 11 '24
Since she wasn't the person he thought she was when he consented, it's technically rape again. Mf got SA'd once again and at this point, all I can do is type "lmao".