r/StarWars • u/OliverWhite1993 • 7h ago
For first time, chronological order viewers, surely this is a huge spoiler ahead of watching Episode III on Disney+? Movies
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u/NegevThunderstorm 7h ago
Maybe Im just old, but this should not be a huge spoiler.
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u/Billsinc3 7h ago
Yeah, I doubt that anyone but a child perhaps finding the films on their own on Disney + would be surprised by this...and how many people out there are doing that?
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u/FitReception3550 6h ago
Agree lol if you’re a first time viewer and aren’t aware of Vaders origins from pop culture…you should not be watching in chronological order. Negates one of the biggest plot twists in cinema history.
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u/NegevThunderstorm 6h ago
And again maybe its because Im old, but not sure why people would go in episode order rather than year released
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u/FitReception3550 6h ago
Yeah I would never recommend someone watching it that way first time but if they already know Anakin is Vader/Lukes father then I could see why they’d want to view it chronologically. The plot twist is the biggest reason for release order.
Would be easier for a first time viewer to follow the story, understand character development, etc. because I do enjoy watching it that way sometimes now for that reason (even tho POTM feels like a chore to start with😭) since the addition of Andor/Rogue. Love the way it jumps straight into E4.
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u/Tri-PonyTrouble 6h ago
The way I try to get people into it is showing them the original trilogy, then the prequels/shows in chronological order before making our way back through the OT section of the timeline and continuing
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u/FitReception3550 5h ago
Yeah I agree this is probably the best way. I’ve had a few people I work with I actually introduced Andor too first.
They told me they aren’t big into sci-fi stuff but really want to try Star Wars so I thought starting them on something more grounded first would get them hooked to the story and then jump into E4 and go release order from there.
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u/Tri-PonyTrouble 5h ago
I'd normally save Andor for later. Its a very serious show, and most of star wars is faily campy - if you start them off with something serious with a MUCH higher quality to it than a lot of the rest of the franchise, it might leave a bad taste with the rest. I have Andor in my list just before the Rougue One movie(and once the next part comes out, it'll be nice to not have such an empty space there)
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u/FitReception3550 4h ago
I would tend to agree but these were people who have tried getting into it several ways including starting with the og triologys and couldn’t finish so figured this way would try to get them hooked on the over arching plot first and then see if that would help carry them into the rest.
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u/-Badger3- 4h ago
This wasn't even a spoiler when the first movie came out. It's literally just the premise of the trilogy.
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u/dragonborn071 Galactic Republic 31m ago
It's kinda like the plot of Romeo and Juliet or what the Odyssey is, you'd find out if you exist in the culture the product exists in either way unless you have found a very cozy rock
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u/Bloodless-Cut 6h ago
Correct. It's not even a tiny spoiler. It is, in fact, not a spoiler at all.
It's not because you're old. It's because these films came out over 20 years ago, and the "spoiler" is common knowledge.
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u/Dedli 5h ago
It's because these films came out over 20 years ago, and the "spoiler" is common knowledge.
Hard disagree here. There are, and will always be, people who don't know the twist who want to start to watch Star Wars for the first time.
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u/Bloodless-Cut 5h ago
One in a million people who are unaware of a plot twist from a movie from forty years ago does not a spoiler make, and you can disagree all you want, but it is, in general, common knowledge and part of the pop culture zeitgeist.
It's in comics, it's in books, it's in games like trivial pursuit, it's appeared on Jeopardy! several times, it's on t-shirts and coffee mugs you can buy at Walmart.
Heck, I've met people who have never watched a single minute of Star Wars in their entire lives, but somehow they know the oft misquoted line, "no Luke, I am your father."
It's just "No, I am your father," but you get the point, yeah?
You gonna bring up that one in a million person who doesn't know? LOL Okay, bud. You got me there.
Of course, there's going to be little kids who have never heard or seen any of this, but that's because they're kids, and it still doesn't qualify as a spoiler despite that. The term applies to things that are new.
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u/xxquickk 4h ago
I'd argue it's not a spoiler for a different reason.
You are supposed to watch 4-6 before 1-3 as a first-time watcher.
If someone watches the prequels first, they get major spoilers going into the originals. Luke and leia are siblings and Vader being their father etc.
It's not Disney's fault if someone watches the series in the wrong order.
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u/Shreddzzz93 7h ago
Not really. This is common knowledge in pop culture. It would be on par with knowing that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person. It was a twist in 1980, 45 years later in 2025 it really isn't.
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u/LifeAcanthopterygii6 6h ago
Clark Kent and Superman are the same person
Are you sure, mate? One of them wears glasses, the other one doesn't.
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u/Cademain 3h ago
I generally hold a similar sentiment, but you would be shocked by the amount of people who don't know this. Not everyone is into Star Wars, pop culture, or just general nerd culture. I've known at least 3 people who had the Anakin/Darth Vader reveal spoiled to them just because the exist in very different circles and interests.
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u/Flying-Half-a-Ship 6h ago
That’s why it’s meant to be watched in release order
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u/BagOnuts 1h ago
Chronological order for first-time viewing is a dumb idea anyway. These movies were made with the assumption that the viewer had seen the previously films. The prequels specifically operate with the premise being “we know Anikan is Vader, how did it happen?”
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u/multistansendhelp 7h ago
One of the posters for Phantom Menace had little kid Anakin standing with Vader’s shadow behind him.
There’s also the assumption that people should generally be watching in release order, so episodes 4-6 pretty much give that away.
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u/whalepopcorn 5h ago
Yeah it wasn’t a plot twist at all. Everyone who walked into Phantom Menace in theatres knew who he was/would become.
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u/SuperDiscoBacon 7h ago
They have already spoiled themselves by watching the movies in the wrong order
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u/vanKessZak Sith 7h ago
Not a spoiler imo. I remember being 5 when Phantom Menace came out and there was pretty heavy advertising that the kid was Vader. Including that cool as hell poster with Vader as his shadow. It was never presented as a secret.
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u/crawfish2000 3h ago
No, every set of movies is designed by their very nature to be watched in release order.
The story expects the viewer to understand what came before.
Any other order is fan-made nonsense and I will die on that hill.
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u/MemeInBlack 2h ago
Machete order for Star Wars is a pretty good retcon though.
(Basically, IV, V, II, III, VI. Yes, it skips I)
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u/bearstormstout 6h ago
The original trilogy literally told us this information years before the prequels were ever thought of, so it can hardly be considered a spoiler when it’s a core part of the story.
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u/sidv81 5h ago edited 3h ago
If someone who really knows nothing about Star Wars is watching these chronologically, that person wouldn't even know what a Darth Vader is.
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u/SlimySquamata 2h ago
Exactly. They'd watch the fall of Anakin into some kind of samurai cyborg they had never heard of before.
Plus, they'd ruin one of the greatest twist in cinema history, knowing that angry amputee was Skywalker's father.
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u/Legitimate_Monkey37 7h ago
It's definitely a spoiler. But after 20 years it's pretty common knowledge.
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u/HorsNoises 5h ago
I would argue it's not a spoiler. The prequels expect you to know that Anakin is Vader.
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u/blabbycrabby 7h ago
I think that anybody who knows anything about”pop culture understands that Anakin is Vader. Most people when they start watching Star Wars start with the original Trilogy anyway and they talk about it there so 🤷🏾♂️
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u/Objective-Chevy 5h ago
Reminds me of seeing the Ep. 1 poster with young Anakin and Vader as his shadow. Now that was a spoiler.
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u/AvailableAmount8026 6h ago
anyone watching that who doesn't already know deserves to have it spoiled for them
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u/Dedli 5h ago edited 5h ago
Huge spoiler. I don't understand why so many fans apparently assume it's common knowledge to people who have never seen the movies before.
For everyone reading this, remember that there was a point in time that you didn't know who Darth Vader was. And we can all agree the first time was (or would've been) a lot more impactful if you weren't spoiled by front-page descriptions like this.
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u/GroundWitty7567 3h ago
Wasn't suppose to watch in chronological order. It's designed to be watch it in this order. Episodes 456 (Original), 123 (Prequel), 789 (Sequel) trilogies with the other movies and shows filling in the blanks. Anakin being Vader was never suppose to be a secret by Episode 3.
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u/JA_MD_311 3h ago
I tried to hide the truth from my nephew who is a gigantic Star Wars fan and it got spoiled by one of his classmates. It’s impossible. It’s ubiquitous in pop culture. I mean I’d love to meet someone who is gobsmacked by the reveal that Darth Vader is Luke’s father but I don’t think they exist.
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u/The_Man_in_Black_19 7h ago
Wait! So Darth Vadar stole that guy's name! I'm shocked. You think you can trust a guy.
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u/spcychikn Boba Fett 5h ago
yep, almost spoiled it for my girlfriend when i showed her this movie, had to distract her from seeing this, but it worked and i got to see her genuine reaction to palpatine knighting anakin as vader, not everyone knows!
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u/Emotional-Tailor-649 6h ago
It’s written with the intention of going into that you know what’s going to happen. Actually that’s not even the best example. It’s a prequel, it’s specially designed for it. It’s like thinking that the discovery of the ring in the hobbit is a spoiler in LOTR.
To each their own when it comes to watch order I guess, like people do whatever they want (as they should). But it wasn’t written, designed for, or marketed to have his turn be a surprise. It’s not a plot twist.
Doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it however you want to watch it obviously.
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u/Bloodless-Cut 6h ago
Spoilers are for things most people haven't seen or don't know about.
This? It's not a spoiler.
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u/HUNGWHITEBOI25 6h ago
i mean…it’s a 20 year old movie (good lord i’m old) that explains a plot twist that came out 45 years ago…i feel people already know lol
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u/SATSUGAii Sith 6h ago
And it was. I never read those but for some reason this time I did and my face completely transformed 😭
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u/PhillyChef3696 6h ago
IMDB still has Tobin Bell listed last on the original Saw movie list of actors. Like what “spoilers” are we really trying to hide after this many years.
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u/Jaded_Turtle 6h ago
What…? No, that’s just good guy little Ani living his best life among the melted sand and volcanic glass.
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u/Right-Meal-4864 6h ago
Not a spoiler, Anakin being Darth Vader has been common knowledge in pop culture since the '80s.
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u/TheFuzzyFace 5h ago
Before the third prequel even came out, everyone knew what was going to happen lol
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u/Ickythumpin 5h ago
The name Darth Vader (Darth Father in German) is the biggest Star Wars spoiler for sure
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u/Snoo_83425 5h ago
Nowadays it feels like the minute you come out of the womb you find out that Anakin Skywalker is Darth Vader.
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u/ShaneOfan Bodhi Rook 5h ago
Its technically a spoiler sure. But it spoils a movie that came out 45 years ago.
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u/Redeem123 4h ago
The most iconic posters for both TPM and ROTS include Anakin with Vader’s silhouette.
This is what George wanted.
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u/dumbname2 4h ago
Darth = Anakin has been known since the 80s. How long do we really need to protect "spoilers"?
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u/Yopassthat 4h ago
I got news for you. Its the third movie of a prequel trilogy set in a time before the first star wars film, if it wasn’t obvious that he would become vader idk what to tell you. Also the poster of Phantom menace literally shows Vaders shadow behind young Ani. It had to happen at some point. The WAY it happens is the important part.
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u/velociracsoTI 4h ago
They've never really tried to hide it, look at Revenge of the Siths trailer and previous movie posters.
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u/coopc1994 4h ago
This scene was literally in the trailer before the movie came out it’s not really a spoiler imo
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u/reps_for_satan Han Solo 4h ago
I've seen it dozens of times, but it still annoys me to read the ending before I watch it
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u/CptChaos8 4h ago
This is why you don’t watch them in episode order. But also yeah stupid description that doesn’t take into account perhaps this may be the first viewing for some…
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u/fresher_towels 3h ago
Anyone who hasn't been living under a rock would know Anakin is Darth Vader, but still, the premise of a movie should not be a description of the final act. They could describe that Anakin is struggling with dark influences as he sees a vision of his wife's death or that he is struggling with the Jedi Order or something like that and at least just foreshadow instead of outright say what happens at the end of the movie.
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u/Draxtonsmitz 3h ago
The prequels aren’t the story of who Darth Vader was. It’s the story of how he became Darth Vader.
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u/npc042 Battle Droid 3h ago
It’s in the spirit of the marketing for the movie back in 2005, where the Anakin/Vader duality was front and center.
Worth noting that the spoiler-averse culture we’re familiar with today wasn’t really a thing back then. Even the novelization and videogame tie-in’s released before the film had even hit theaters, with full plot spoilers.
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u/tykittaa Luke Skywalker 2h ago
No, because the correct viewing order for first timers is release order.
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u/themangajunkie 2h ago
The greatest spoiler is having teased 3 new sequels after episode 6, only for them to completely evaporate. I still hope we'll get an episode 7,8 and 9, someday. Tis a fool's hope.
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u/thedrizzle126 2h ago
this was not spoiled in episode 3, it was common knowledge in 1983. i'm not sure Disney owes anyone anything here.
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u/lanceplace 2h ago
It’s 1999 and Episode I is released. Collectively , 6billion people find peace and love, if, only for a brief moment, knowing that we will finally enjoy seeing Anakin become DV in about six years. Not a spoiler.
Can you imagine being an innocent and watching it chronologically? Not having any idea that the little bowl-cut slave-boy will go dark?
Utterly amazing concept. Mind blowing. Am I jealous? Confused?
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u/cardiffman100 2h ago
It's supposed to be watched in release order. It's not a spoiler, everyone finds this out in the first movie, ANH.
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u/shankartz 2h ago
I still to this day don't watch star wars in order. 4,5,1,2,3,6 is my favorite way of watching.
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u/OCD_incarnate 2h ago
Honestly, I can’t imagine someone not knowing this already. But, on the chance someone out there doesn’t know, they probably should change it to something else.
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u/Klangaxx 1h ago
"No Like, I am your father". Combine that super famous line with the fact we find out Anakin Skywalker is Vader in Episode 5, aka 1980, you have to assume anyone watching the prequels already knows
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u/myleswstone 1h ago
That’s one of the biggest popular culture references in existence. I don’t think it’s spoiling anybody. Also, if you rewatch the first two films, it’s really not a spoiler. You essentially already know iirc. But, also, if you’re watching the SW films for the first time and you’re doing it in chronological order, you’ve already made a mistake.
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u/Arcane_As_Fuck 1h ago
Nobody should be watching in chronological order for the first time anyway, that’s just stupid.
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u/Master_Bratac2020 1h ago
If you choose to watch movies in the wrong order, you shouldn’t be surprised by spoilers
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u/343guiltyfarts 50m ago
I was so proud of myself for managing to keep the secret from my daughter all the way up until she was like 8. The. We watched Phantom Menace and The Cline Wars last year and the preview page for Revenge of the Sith comes up right after and immediately spoils it. Like wtf Disney lol
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u/Doppelfrio 5m ago
Considering they were “meant” to be watched as OT, the prequel, it’s more of a journey not the destination type thing. Knowing Anakin turns evil is not what the prequels are about. It’s the how and why
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u/KingofFlightlessBird 6h ago
Personally I’m always perplexed by people who choose to watch these things for the first time in chronological order. Release order is usually the way to go for any series, but especially this one
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u/MammothObject8910 5h ago
If you don't know that that's Vader you're dumb. Look at previous movie posters...they tell you right out of the box who this kid will become.
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u/BigYonsan 2h ago
The Empire Strikes Back came out 45 years ago, guy.
How far back do you want us to go? At a certain point, some things just aren't spoilers anymore. Rosebud is the sled. The giant monkey falls off the Empire State Building. Bruce Willis was a ghost all along.
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u/squatch42 7h ago
Seriously though, this is the price a first time viewer pays for not watching in release or machete order. You get what you deserve.
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u/9712075673 7h ago
Yeah, I do agree that Star Wars fans are famous when it comes down to spoiling a Star Wars movie or two. For instance, why did everyone love watching Empire Strikes Back? Because there is huge major plot twist in that movie that even non-Star Wars fans heard about, because we as the fandom spoiled that plot twist for literally every one… “No Luke (heavy breathing) I am your Father (heavy breathing)” Luke: “No, no, no, no, that’s not true! That’s impossible!”
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u/Audience_Over Rebel 7h ago
IDK, I think at this point Darth Vader being Anakin Skywalker is such an ubiquitous thing it's kinda hard to spoil. We're talking about one of the biggest characters in pop culture history after all.
Plus if they've already watched the first two films, AotC isn't exactly subtle with the idea that Anakin has issues and is going down a dark path lol