r/StarWars Mandalorian 15d ago

Would you consider the Force Awakens the best movie in the sequel trilogy? Movies

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

Yeah, I had such hopes for Filoni fixing the story, but it turns out he's kinda overrated. He has the same tendency as everyone else in Disney to break the universe for the sake of reviving one of his original characters. Ahsoka should have died (stayed dead) long before her selfname show. And I genuinely liked Ahsoka in Clone Wars, so that opinion has nothing to do with any bias against her.

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u/Emotional-Tailor-649 14d ago

Stayed dead? When did she die?

The problem seems to be the transitioning her from animated character to live-action present day timeline. Probably should have just made an animated Ahsoka series of what happens after Clone Wars. Not doing that but pushing the character to the current timeline was a questionable decision.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

When she got trapped with Vader, appeared to be losing quite handily, and then didn't show up again until Ezra went back in time to pull her from that room through a portal. It's heavily implied that she died, even if we don't see it on-screen. Are there other possibilities? Sure, she could have beaten Vader and then decided to disappear to some tropical island since everyone thinks she's dead, but I don't think that's very plausible. In either case, she wouldn't have been a key player in future events... which made sense since she isn't in any of the original movies. But then Filoni had to use time travel to bring her back into the story.

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u/dragonborn071 Galactic Republic 14d ago

As much as i like that episode of Rebels, if they were to kill her off, they'd need to have some sort of reaction scene from vader, as none of the other films address her as she was added in with CW, and it's a big deal for Vader to take her down, hell he still would think that happened given that she was taken out of existance. Rebel's had alot of good points, but also a few missed opportunities and i feel that was one of them

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u/Stopikingonme 14d ago

In any visual medium if there isn’t a body they aren’t dead. It’s a massive trope. Ending a major character’s life with an offscreen and unconfirmed death just doesn’t happen in media.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

They've done it within this very franchise. Many times.

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u/Stopikingonme 14d ago

Major characters on tv/movies? I can only think of Tech from Bad Batch but I haven’t written him off yet. Remind me?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago edited 14d ago

Shaak Ti (she later dies in Force Unleashed, which is not canon), was a member of the high council

Luminara, also a council member, was killed offscreen. Later, Rebels confirmed her death by showing her body, but the death itself was never shown. And that was quite a few years after the movie, so it stayed ambiguous for at least 9 years.

Admiral Ackbar was notoriously killed offscreen in the sequels

Bail Organa was one of the original few responsible for the rebellion and the adoptive father of Leia, but he died offscreen.

Nien Nunb wasn't all that noteworthy in the OT, but he gained a great deal of recognition by surviving into the sequels, then died offscreen.

Barris Offee was a close friend of Ahsoka's before betraying her and the jedi order in a bombing that was blamed in Ahsoka. She's one of the main reasons Ahsoka lost faith in the order. She died offscreen.

Assaj Ventress originally died offscreen in a then-canon novel that was retconned for her appearance in Bad Batch.

Chewie died in a book that is no longer canon, crushed by a moon. But that book was most definitely canon at the time, and it was Lucasfilm who asked R.A Salvatore to kill Chewie in that book, Vector Prime. Actually, ask is the wrong word. They said he had to kill Chewie, and George Lucas was all for it. He actually fought with them about it for days, but they eventually convinced him to do it.

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u/Emotional-Tailor-649 14d ago

I thought there was an owl or something that flew away at the end of that episode to signify that she somehow had lived, we just didn’t know how yet.

Either way, I think an animated show centered on her that wraps up before the OG trilogy or better explains where she goes woulda been the way to go. Weird direction choice for the character.

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u/Naughty_Neutron 14d ago

She was shown in the end

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u/Wilde_Fire Admiral Raddus 14d ago

I stopped watching the Star Wars animated shows with the finale of Rebels S2. It felt like the perfect capstone to the story I was invested in; anything beyond that felt like it would be dragging things out or focusing on stories I didn't care about. In retrospect, it seems I made the correct choice.

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u/professornevermind 14d ago

You didn't watch the rest of Rebels or season 7 clone wars? Do yourself a favor and watch them.

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u/Emotional-Tailor-649 14d ago

Rebels seasons 3-4 are awesome

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u/Stopikingonme 14d ago

Yeah, I wasn’t aware some people didn’t enjoy them as much.

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u/Wilde_Fire Admiral Raddus 14d ago

I'm sure they are, but I didn't care much for the cast besides Ahsoka's story, so I was satisfied with the ending I got.

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u/Emotional-Tailor-649 14d ago

By the end you care about Ezra’s story. He levels up as he ages, it’s good stuff. I went in initially only for Ahsoka’s storyline too. To each their own of course though

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

I do believe you did. Similarly, I did the same with Marvel and Endgame. I just figured it's called Endgame, so why not end there? I think I also made the right call.

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u/Stopikingonme 14d ago

I wasn’t aware there were people that didn’t enjoy S3 & 4. I kinda find that shocking. (No skin of my back it’s just surprising to me.)

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u/Wilde_Fire Admiral Raddus 14d ago

I'm sure they're great, I just didn't watch them as I felt S2's finale was the fitting end I wanted for Ahsoka's story. Plus, I wasn't invested enough in the other characters to continue.

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u/Stopikingonme 14d ago

Ah, well then in that case it makes sense. My wife and I were so invested in them and their individual development we couldn’t wait for each episode. Everyone’s got their own thing though and that’s great. I’m glad you liked the first two.

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u/UpTheShoreHey 14d ago

Ashoka is one of the only cool ones left now that they killed Boba Fett and Mando is starting to slide. Cal Kestis hopefully can get a show and save the legacy of Star Wars.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

I didn't really like ahsoka in her own show. She spent 90%of her screentime with her arms across her chest and a smug smirk on her face, usually right after doing something monumental stupid and failing her intended goal, but that may eventually work out because that's what the plot demands. She just kinda failed toward the right path.

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u/UpTheShoreHey 14d ago

That is kind of just a continuation of her clone wars show character though, right? I thought it was fairly authentic, snips still being snips, it wasn't the best first season but the parts with Hayden ruled and the overall story is pretty cool. Fair enough though!

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u/Puzzleheaded_Ad_4435 14d ago

At first, yeah, Snips was an arrogant little shit who didn't think through her actions, but I thought she grew out of that. She had one hell of an arc.

I'm glad you enjoyed it, though. I wish I did. My best friend liked it, but he mainly had a thing for Baylan. Though I can't blame him; Scary Santa had a certain presence to him. For my part, I couldn't stop staring at his apprentice whenever she was on screen.

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u/Zero_Cool-94 14d ago

Boba was pretty bad. Was that Filoni as well?

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u/UpTheShoreHey 14d ago

I actually am not sure he had total control of star wars until after Boba bombed. I could be wrong.

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u/CerealBranch739 14d ago

I liked boba, but mostly the sand people flashbacks. I thought it was a cool thing. Once it became partially mando and also post bacts healing flashbacks I didn’t care for it

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u/Zero_Cool-94 14d ago

It had a chance but outside of the Mando and Luke stuff, it had few memorable moments. Not sure if anyone is a Barstool fan but My Mom’s Basement covered it and Penguin and they made a great point… Penguin should have been the template for Boba. That said, Mando basically stole Boba’s thunder so they prob tried to differentiate from it and had a hard time doing so.