r/StarWars • u/HumbleKnight14 • 1d ago
Who would have won the arm wrestle match if Grogu hadn't intervened? General Discussion
Rewatched the first season again with my family. But when it came to the arm wrestling scene, my little 6-year-old brother was asking who would've won if cute adorable Grogu force-choked Cara. I told him it would probably be Cara due to her experience as a shock trooper but that's just my opinion. Based on what I know of her from lore and canon. Which is not that much, unfortunately. But if anyone does know more about her character, that would be much appreciated. 🙏
But in your opinion, who do you think would've won the arm wrestle match if little Grogu didn't intervene? 🤔
Mando or Cara?
Please share your thoughts!
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u/SimonSeam 21h ago
In a galaxy of wookies, it doesn't matter. Your victory will be short lived until the wookiee in the room says they are next. You will lose the arm wrestling contest. Also the arm.
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u/Zestyclose-Put-3828 Galactic Republic 21h ago
Because a wookie is known for ripping arms out of a living being’s sockets?
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u/kay69_ 19h ago
Just let the wookie win
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u/Betterthanbeer 19h ago
I bet it is just a rumour that Wookiees spread. Nobody wants to risk an arm over a chess match, so it never happens.
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u/w1987g Qui-Gon Jinn 16h ago
In Solo, Chewie rips the arms off a guard. So it's not outside the realm of possibility
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u/King_Tamino 15h ago
In the Lego games (at least the older ones) it's also one of Chewie's attacks against stormtroopers. He rips off both arms from them instead of doing a "normal" melee attack
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u/herman-the-vermin 23h ago
She was such a cool character
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u/mypipboyisbroken 22h ago edited 22h ago
Seriously I think missing out on the Rangers of the New Republic show that was obviously being teased with her is one of the biggest losses in disney Star Wars, right next to the Patty Jenkins X-Wing movie. Her absence in season 3 hurt the show and I loved her dynamic with Din and Karga. With the underutilization of Karga and complete absence of Cara in season 3, it felt like the show lost a lot of its character.Â
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u/DeltaPlasmatic 21h ago
I wish they’d made an effort to recast. For all we know they did and it simply didn’t work out, but oh well.
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u/TempestM 19h ago
Yeah I don't get why shows just don't recast more often. It's silly when a character or show gets deleted because the actor is cancelled. It's not like she was so iconic no one else could replace her
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u/Secret-Ad-7909 16h ago
I feel like reworking the whole MCU roadmap because your Kang actor got canceled is really dumb. The whole point is there are infinite variations of the guy. Recast with no explanation needed.
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u/DeltaPlasmatic 11h ago
I mean it was more than getting cancelled, he’s going / gone to actual jail for his crimes. But I figured the restructuring of future plans had less to do with the loss of Johnathan Majors (because Kang is conceptually the literal easiest character to recast maybe ever and they already should have picked like four people to represent him together) and more to do with the fact that people just weren’t resonating with the then-current direction of the MCU and what it was promising.
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u/Random--Person Babu Frik 5h ago
I honestly thought they were going to set up the judge gal from the Loki show to be a variant and move forward with her being the 'new' Kang for the MCU, but instead she just ended up being a love interest for Kang
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u/Corninator 18h ago
Not to mention, she didn't DO anything that warranted her losing her job. She stated some opinions that were fairly controversial on social media, and Disney fired her for it without much of a conversation or attempt to gather info.
Our upcoming president has said and done far worse, yet he's about to take office. It's asinine, really.
If you don't fit into some white-bread, cookie cutter world, you can't work for Disney these days.
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u/ac_s2k Jedi 18h ago
She was actively sharing false and misleading information on the Covid vaccines. She was a Covid denier. I have screenshots of her stories that she quickly deleted after facing a lot of shit for it.
She absolutely should have lost her job for sharing dangerous and fake information and basically being a fucking idiot.
She’s also a right-wing conspiracy theorist who said things such as…
“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”
She was comparing herself(anti-vaxxers) to Jews during the holocaust.
She’s not a good person
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u/Mambo_Poa09 18h ago
She was also mocking trans people which is bad enough anyway but Pedro's sister is trans which made it worse
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u/Corninator 16h ago
Let me offer my counter-argument to this.
So I work in maintenance at a college. Blue collar people. The average person working here, including my supervisor, shares outageous shit online, as well as spouts it during work hours. None of them are liberal except me and a select few. The difference is, that they don't lose their jobs. Should they? For having an opinion? Even if it is a bigoted one? They aren't in the public eye, so there's no risk of that. I see no reason why an actress is different than a mechanic or a plumber in any way. People have their opinions, and they are entitled to them. Now granted, I know people lose their jobs daily for saying stupid shit, but it's generally not due to social media. At most, they get a reprimand, as just happened to a professor that I know.
Second to this is that we live in a world where government officials, news pundits, and other "famous" people say and do all manner of shit, yet they are still in the public eye. Every Fox News anchor has spread some form of anti-vax rhetoric at this point, but their careers are still in place.
Then you take into account the actors and musicians like Kevin Spacey and Marilyn Manson who have been accused of doing horrible things, yet they still tour and work. Gina Carano didn't DO anything, she just used words. It's a double-standard that I find to be disgusting. Im being downvoted to hell and back for what i said, but I stand by it. Rapists are running free in this country and making millions after their actions are revealed. Marilyn Manson has multiple songs that use the N word and have Nazi sympathizer rhetoric, yet he has a career.
I'm not saying I agree with anything the woman said, quite the opposite, but good god, in what universe has she been treated fairly when we let criminals have successful careers?
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u/ac_s2k Jedi 15h ago
The difference is that she was held to a higher standard being employed by Disney. It was Disney that gave her the consequences of her actions.
Criminals who are running the country are equally as blasted on social media and ripped apart. But they’re not being held responsible for their actions. They’re not employed by Disney, who cares about their image.
We could argue all day how unfair it is for one bad person to face consequences and one who doesn’t, but it’s down to who’s actually able to hold them accountable.
Sadly, more Americans don’t care for trumps crimes, than actually did. So he’s got away with it. An equally as bad, the people in government who COUlD hold him accountable, are on his side.
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u/Corninator 14h ago
But see, that last sentence is important.
He committed crimes.
Gina Carano is treated as though she did, but she did not. She said some stupid shit online. What's sad about all this is I've met the woman. She was at a comic-con i attended, and she couldn't have been nicer to the fans, even the hostile ones and yes, in mean hostile. They came to openly lash out at this woman for a few words. This is mentally unstable behavior by people who need to step back and take a breath.
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u/mypipboyisbroken 18h ago
People have dissenting opinions all the time. Dropping someone over it just makes them look more valid. Let’s stop with dropping people because they don’t share the public opinion or media narrative on something. Also, in Hollywood especially, FAR worse has been forgiven and forgotten. Who gives a shit?
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u/Mambo_Poa09 18h ago
Dropping someone because they're a bigot or spreading misinformation makes them look more valid? Lol
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u/mypipboyisbroken 18h ago
huh, the same company that had Liam Neeson back for a Kenobi cameo after his N word rant, yeah? Where was the outrage over that? Lmao
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u/MrPootisPow 18h ago
Well i don’t particularly care about her opinions but Disney has a brand image to maintain and her twitter rants were damaging said image and was asked to stop and when she didn’t her contract wasn’t renewed due her being seen as a brand risk
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u/mypipboyisbroken 18h ago
You say that but I think there is a double standard here. Liam Neeson was welcomed back in Kenobi despite a rant about “N-Words” (with a hard R) and that was even after Gina Carano got dropped. It seems more like you don’t go along with the popular consensus hot topic you get dropped. Just seems kinda bullshit to me.Â
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u/AdequatelyMadLad 18h ago
You're misrepresenting the Liam Neeson thing so hard it's ridiculous. The "controversy" was him admitting to something that happened 40 years prior, with him pointing out that he was out of his mind and had to get professional help to deal with it.
That is in no way comparable to Gina Carano posting dumb shit on social media in the present day, all while Disney is giving her multiple warnings to stop.
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u/Corninator 18h ago
Yet again, all things that our new president has done.
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u/fireflash38 13h ago
Since we're already deep into Poe's law, does that mean that the Nazis were OK because Hitler (their Chancellor) did it too?
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf 13h ago edited 13h ago
Well they unfortunately they probably already cast Katy O’Brian as that imperial which would have been my first thought. Though frankly I would have been fine if they kept Gina.
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u/mypipboyisbroken 18h ago
Or just forgive and forget. She had a dissenting opinion regarding covid lockdowns, albeit conspiratorial, but I don’t understand why a witch hunt was necessary. It was a confusing time for everyone.
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u/CordlessJet 10h ago
Season 3 had a cacophony of issues, but the absence of Cara “I only know how to smirk” Dune was not one of them
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u/cheekmagnet_ 18h ago
Still upset that the actress is garbage. she was such a cool character
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u/Lindvaettr 12h ago
I'm not gonna defend her in particular as far as to say she isn't shitty, but if there's one thing I think we should be able to take away from this last decade of watching Hollywood scandals, it's that she wasn't fired for being shitty, she was fired for being the wrong kind of shitty. It's hard for me to say someone deserved in particular to get fired for their politics when every time I turn around there's another Hollywood star somehow managing to keep the crown on their head even after constant physical and sexual assault allegations.
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u/ryeloaf384 11h ago
Looking at the angle of their wrists, it seems Cara has the technical basics of arm wrestling while mando doesn't . It does show that Mando is physically stronger though by quiet a bit since he's stalemating someone who has the proper technique down .
Hope this helps
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u/SQRTLURFACE Ahsoka Tano 22h ago
Cara for sure, she would have toyed with him then flipped a switch and slammed that hand down so fast lol.
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u/Ickythumpin 4h ago
They should have kept her on. Hollywood and Disney have kept on other people who’ve done worse things than make one wise ass social media post. She may not be Meryl Streep but she’s believable in her casting because she actually used to beat up other professional fighters for money. She’s also gorgeous.
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u/ian9921 18h ago
She might be stronger, but Mando has another advantage: the helmet. He can see in her face how much effort she's exerting and how hard she's struggling, but she can't see near as much about him. He's got the perfect poker face. It's just a question of if he's smart enough to utilize this fact properly.
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u/Logical_Astronomer75 23h ago
Mando would win
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u/Sleepinismy9to5 23h ago
The nazi lady is definitely on steroids and Pedro is a pretty small dude so Cara probably
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u/Jinn_Skywalker 23h ago
Tf you talking about
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u/GlassturtleOG Sith 22h ago
The actress that played Cara is a right-wing conspiracy nut so the individual above compared her to a Nazi
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u/HumbleKnight14 22h ago
What did she say?
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u/olddicklemon72 22h ago
“Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors…. even by children. Because history is edited, most people today don’t realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?”
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u/Mobile_Trash8946 20h ago
Yeah but without context this quote sounds reasonable. She was comparing anti-vaxxers to Jews in the Holocaust...
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u/gracekk24PL 22h ago
I may actually be high, but isn't that more or less correct?
Or I'm just easily swayed by anyone trying to make a point, I dunno
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u/Mobile_Trash8946 20h ago
In her example she was using the Jews during the Holocaust as an analogue to the treatment of anti-vaxxers during COVID.
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u/McSteve1 20h ago edited 20h ago
There's a lot of reasons that this is problematic, but it sounds like you're genuinely asking so I'll try to explain my understanding of it.
First of all, she's making one hell of an assumption to say that criticism of the Republican party is at all likely to end in any kind of serious persecution of the kind experienced under the Nazi regime. Sure, anti-semetic people started by "criticizing" Jewish people by saying bad things about them, which is vaguely similar to criticizing political beliefs; but political beliefs are extremely malleable with debate, and the insane ethnic-religious mix from the Nazi label of "Jewish" is not exactly something they'd let you talk your way out of.
Also, it's nonsense to suggest that Republicans in the US will be systematically harassed, burger, murdered, rounded up by the government, or face any other combination of the brutal tactics employed by the Nazi regime. There aren't any efforts to label Republicans as sub-human, and characterizing political opposition as hate of a similar caliber to the Nazis displays a level of ignorance so incredible as to hint at malice.
If somebody criticizes you for having bad political views, you can change your political views. If somebody criticizes you for existing as a minority, you can't exactly be expected to stop existing. There's a fundamental disconnect between these two modes of rhetoric.
Edited to add: it's also important to call out the behavior as problematic and respond in kind because she's such a public figure, and by expressing this opinion, it will be seen by those who agree with this sentiment as a public endorsement of this line of reasoning. It will embolden many racists to allow prominent public figures to make public anti-semetic takes without criticism or consequences. If she knew she had a hot take on the Holocaust of all things and she didn't want to endorse literal Nazis, she should have known to not publically broadcast that view. Nazis love to hide behind plausible deniability, so we need to assume that she understands all of this social calculus and respond accordingly.
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u/Lord_Of_Beans1 20h ago
That last part is the issue, "How is that any different than attacking someone for their political views", she was comparing that to getting disagreed with on American politics
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u/meester_pink 22h ago
If your political views are detestable it’s ok to detest you, and at the very least it’s certainly not the same thing as rounding up and gassing jews. Or maybe I’m just easily swayed by reason, I dunno.
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u/yrunsyndylyfu 21h ago
Or maybe I’m just easily swayed by reason, I dunno.
Sure as hell doesn't sound like it. Easily swayed by unchecked emotion is more like it.
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u/meester_pink 20h ago
Oh no, you disagree with my opinion and said something mean. Don’t you know that is the exact same thing as putting me in a gas chamber?!
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u/yrunsyndylyfu 20h ago edited 20h ago
Oh no, you disagree with my opinion and said something mean. Don’t you know that is the exact same thing as putting me in a gas chamber?!
See what I mean?
Edit: had to make sure I got the quote in there
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u/Blue-red-cheese-gods 20h ago
That'd just hyperbolic and not at all what she said or alluded to lol
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u/SmokescreenFraud Princess Leia 21h ago
When they fired her over that comment they proved her point.
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u/meester_pink 20h ago
I too remember when Disney dragged and beat her in the street before putting her in an oven. “How is it any different”?
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u/GlassturtleOG Sith 22h ago
I can't remember it all so don't quote me but the main things that align with right-wing ideology she said that possibly lead up to her not getting rehired by Disney said where:
Republicans, during COVID, where being treated worse then the Jew during the Holocaust.
Gina also had anti-trans views and Pablo Pascal's sister is a trans woman. So, nothing confirmed, but Pablo may have had talks with the mouse over Gina's views.
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u/SenorDangerwank 22h ago
Pedro.
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u/GlassturtleOG Sith 22h ago
shit
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u/RedVRebel Luke Skywalker 22h ago
Literally none of that is correct
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u/GlassturtleOG Sith 21h ago
She said what she said after making right-wing conspiracy comments and people called her out on it.
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u/RedVRebel Luke Skywalker 21h ago
Where precisely are these "right-wing conspiracy comments".. Got any receipts? There's nothing in that article that I didn't already say (minus hyperbole).
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u/TheVolunteer0002 21h ago
What were her anti-trans views?
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u/SmokescreenFraud Princess Leia 21h ago
She didn’t want to put pronouns in her Twitter bio and the activists took that as being transphobic. Other Lucasfilm employees including Acolyte showrunner Leslie Headland started stoking the fire and goaded her into saying something they could use against her. It’s all here in her wrongful dismissal lawsuit against Disney
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u/hiccupboltHP Imperial 20h ago
That is a blatant twisting of facts lmao. And her “wrongful dismissal suit” is complete BS. Disney simply chose not to rehire her once her contract ended.
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u/SmokescreenFraud Princess Leia 13h ago
She had a verbal contract to appear in her own spin-off. In California that’s legally binding. I encourage you to actually read the lawsuit before you say I’m twisting the facts.
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u/RedVRebel Luke Skywalker 22h ago edited 22h ago
She shared a post online that compared the right vs left fights amongst US citizens that are/were provoked by politicians in the US to the way the Nazis turned neighbor against neighbor.
Carano said, "Because history is edited, most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. How is that any different from hating someone for their political views?"
Yes, that's it.. so controversial and definitely makes her a Nazi /s.
[downvote me all you want - sorry the truth bothers you so much, but that's precisely what she said, despite people's attempts to make it more nefarious]
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u/DareBrennigan 22h ago
lol it’s so godamn mild. The outrage over it was so silly
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u/RedVRebel Luke Skywalker 22h ago
Agreed... Oh, and of course she's also transphobic because some people tried to bully her into putting her pronouns in her Twitter bio, and she didn't feel it was necessary.
After much brow beating, she put them down as "beep, bop, boop" ala R2D2 and was immediately labeled a vicious transphobe.
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u/Fast_Freddy07 21h ago
she put them down as "beep, bop, boop" ala R2D2
I remember that, it was pretty funny
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u/Crosknight Hondo Ohnaka 22h ago
Lol you forgot the part where the crazy assholes that make the rest of the lgbt community look bad were harassing her for months… all because she respectfully declined to put her pronouns on her social media bio, something that other DLF employees don’t have.
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u/SmokescreenFraud Princess Leia 21h ago
Every downvote is one more person you get to laugh at when she inevitably wins her lawsuit
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u/Crosknight Hondo Ohnaka 21h ago
Oh s#}% sorry i didnt read the full comment, i just saw “transphobic” and assumed you were trying to be sarcastic. My bad.
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u/Crosknight Hondo Ohnaka 22h ago
Pretty much most normal people read it as “dont let the government divide us” which btw is a tactic nazis used too to gain more power.
Twitter/ social media morons read it as “she is comparing republicans to holocaust victims!”
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u/SSVKharamek 22h ago edited 19h ago
Thx to show us how stupid you aređź‘Ś edit : She is a Great actress and should have stayed in the show.
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u/Dime332 20h ago
Star Wars has progressed beyond the dominant male hierarchy. Cara would’ve snapped his arm in 2 if baby yoda couldn’t sell plush toys
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u/Dime332 20h ago
This is ridiculous. I’m getting downvoted for saying a woman isn’t perceived as dominant because a stupid toy sells better?? It’s a new year people accept the fact corporations will favor profit over progression
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u/CremePhysical8178 16h ago
It’s funny watching you angrily reply to no one when a number goes down. Shows how you evaluate your self worth.
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u/SaintPwner 19h ago edited 17h ago
I'm downvoting you because it's funny to see you crying to yourself in the comments
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u/Dime332 14h ago
It’s because of your insecurities we will never get the full story of the acolyte and the Rey movie will be looked at as another misstep by Disney
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u/SaintPwner 14h ago
Lol what
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u/Dime332 13h ago
People are afraid of women and minorities having lead roles in male dominated franchises and hide their agenda by saying bad writing or cringe scene. I apologize if you’re not one of these toxic types but it’s just frustrating enjoying one of the best periods for Star Wars fans with all the content and collectibles and everyone wants to marginalize the stories being told because of a character’s gender or race.
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u/SaintPwner 13h ago
I couldn't care less about a woman or minorities on lead roles, as long as they are good at their craft and their acting abilities are good I don't care.
I was only commenting cos you were arguing with yourself haha, no disagreements here about the topic though.
For reference, I think cara would have smoked Mando in an arm wrestle
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u/LunchPlanner 23h ago
Cara beat the guy in her introductory episode, right? She does this for fun.
Skill and experience play some role in arm wrestling so she has an edge there.