r/Psychonaut • u/WalkingOnTightrope • 18h ago
More psychonauts who feel difficulty going back to psychedelics, cause of the unstable condition of the world?
I've done quite a lot of psychedelics in the last 3 years. But somehow something is holding me back now that there's so much shit happening in the world. Any one who relate to this feeling?
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u/BonoboPowr 16h ago
Yes, it has been a reoccurring theme/thought during my trips: how to handle the global decline of democracies and the fascistization of politics. Just have to learn acceptance, and keep a historical perspective: history was always messy, bad things always happened, we lived through an unusually peaceful and prosperous times that might come to an end. On the other hand radicals today are way milder than even just decades ago, and nowhere near what we've seen in the first half+ of the 20th century. Human life also became more valuable. If the worst were to happen we will still be fine and we will get through it like our great-grandparents and other ancestors did.
I have family in Ukraine, and moved there for a year after the war started so that has been tough, but got used to it eventually. You will get used to anything, no need to worry. We usually suffer more waiting for bad things to happen than from bad things that happen. Bad times come, bad times go, we have no idea what is going to happen tomorrow. It might even end up well. Bad things in history often turned out to be blessings in disguise.
In that spirit, I'll leave you with the story of the Chinese farmer:
"Long ago, there was a widowed Chinese farmer. The farmer and his only son labored through the cold winds of winter and scorching rays of summer with their last remaining horse. One day, the son didn’t lock the gate of the stable properly, and the horse bolted away.
When neighbors learned what happened, they came to the farmer and said, “What a sadness this is! Without your horse, you’ll be unable to maintain the farm. What a failure that your son did not lock the gate properly! This is a great tragedy!”
The farmer replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.”
The next day, the missing horse returned to the farmer’s stable, bringing along with it six wild horses. The farmer’s son locked the gate of the stable firmly behind all seven horses.
When neighbors learned what happened, they came to the farmer and said, “What happiness this brings! With seven horses, you’ll be able to maintain the farm with three of them and sell the rest for huge profits. What a blessing!”
The farmer replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.”
The next day the farmer’s son was breaking in one of the wild horses. The son got thrown from the horse, fell hard on rocks, and broke his leg.
When neighbors learned what happened, they came to the farmer and said, “What a great sadness this is! Now, you’ll be unable to count on your son’s help. What a failure to break in the horse properly! What a tragedy!”
The farmer replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.”
The next day, a general from the Imperial Chinese Army arrived to conscript all the young men of the village into the army. Their assignment was to fight on the front lines of a battle against a terrifying enemy of overwhelming force. The farmer’s son, because of his broken leg, was not taken.
When neighbors learned what happened, they came to the farmer and said, “What a great joy! Your son avoided facing certain death on the front lines of the battle. What a blessing!”
The farmer replied, “Maybe yes, maybe no.”"
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u/ZenApe 17h ago
Yep.
My last deep dive I got the very clear message that I should take a break for a while.
I'm a bit scared to go back with all the darkness swirling around....
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u/kezzlywezzly 13h ago
Yeah it's tricky. I feel like there is too much possibility of something going wrong whilst tripping. From the mass scale even down to just my dog getting bitten by a snake or something, I feel the weight of too much responsibility for tripping to feel like a safe or responsible decision. And I don't want to trip with a sitter, never been my vibe I'd rather be sober
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u/ph4lanxxx 15h ago
Yeah I know what you mean. Not just the state of the world, though, to me it's been something deeper. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe "survival mode" optimization? The failure of the "psychedelic renaissance" to produce anything more than self help and... things swallowed by capitalism? Has the cost of having a truly not "mainstream" set of beliefs gone up? There's something about the Gutenberg world vs. ai thats been spooking around as well. Just a little overall spiritual fada. What do you think?
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u/monikatheprincess 10h ago
I relate to the survival mode. I feel an underlying anxiety all the time recently, and have no reasons to, my life is all good! And I relate so much to the failure of so called psychedelic renessaince. That’s so sad to watch and also touches me personally as this is way more effective way of doing my job (psychotherapy). But ex in Poland, where I am from, its forbidden, and you can actually go to jail for being paychedelic-assisted therapist! 🥲
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u/TheBushidoWay 17h ago
Right here. I have the same problem. Although i seem to do ok with E and N2O
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u/WalkingOnTightrope 17h ago
Don't have experience with both, I'll look them up. Thanks!
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u/TheBushidoWay 16h ago
Each on their own can be a little psychedelic but taken together can be a force multiplier with synergy and all that. Definitely can trippy play some good ass music real loud real loud like disco lines or some dead or billy strings playin some dead or some tape b.
When i first got back into N2O. People here talked about using N2O to "clear your headspace" and for the most part it can work , sometimes not.
Have some fun dumb people around to trip with. People that like loud music and wanna dance.
The last 2 times i partied partied i wasnt sure about it or, it was gonna be my last time because im getting older. I just wasnt feelin it and like i feel like i carry the weight of the world on my shoulders. I even went to EDC straight for the most part because i was under alot of tension. Bit those 2 times i did indulge, i wound up having a really good time.
If you can get some good people together to trip and roll with and you feel yourself goin to a dark place., take a big hit of wippet, exhale, and practice spitting some game and try and get laid
"Wow your eyes are so pretty all dilated in the blacklight"
Your sweater looks so fuzzy! Can i touch it? Wanna touch mine?
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u/eazymfn3 16h ago
Nah I’m currently tripping on 3 tabs right now. I’m just happy in the moment and if we all died tomorrow I could say that I lived a fulfilling life and I did some fun, goofy, weird ass shit and had an amazing time doing it.
I also should also add that it hasn’t been all sunshine and rainbows. I’ve also had an enormous amount of grief, pain, and suffering.
Would I do it all again? Probably. Just not here. However, a New Earth where everything is enhanced, even trees are neon green and fluorescent. Psychedelic colors everywhere. Equality, progress, peace and kindness between all. Unconditional love.. you can still experience pain it just doesn’t affect us like it used to.
You can do molly without a come down, you can do acid and only trip for an hour, space cocaine aka ketamine is free.
This list could go on and on for me, but I wanna hear what you would want?
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u/Awakened_Ego 12h ago
Sounds nice but would you appreciate it as much without going through this incarnation? I think not.
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u/pieter3d 16h ago
No, my life was far more dark and unstable when I got into psychedelics. I have inflammatory rheumatism, which was undiagnosed and untreated at the time. It basically meant that I could get severe pain and fatigue at any point, for no reason, without a guarantee that it would ever get better again. Usually a flare lasted at least a few months. Now that I mostly have it under control, there's not a whole lot that's that bad out there.
Ironically psychedelics actually help a lot against both inflammation and the depression and fatigue that comes with it.
If I couldn't accept horrible realities, I wouldn't be here anymore.
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u/PTSDreamer333 7h ago
Hey, so I am in the same boat and about to start treatment. I have been worried about interactions. Can I ask you some questions? Here or DM, whatever you're comfortable with.
I kinda wanna trip before I start my DMARD but I'm currently on Prednisone and not sure if or either will cause issues. I really wish this stuff was legal already so I could just talk to my pharmacist.
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u/pieter3d 6h ago
Sure, here is fine (DM's too, but this way someone else may find it useful). I'm on Hyrimoz (basically the same as Humira), Celecoxib (an NSAID) and a stomach liner. I've had some other NSAID's, but nothing else prescribed. The only thing I have to be careful with is alcohol (can cause stomach bleeding with NSAID's), but then I hardly drink any alcohol at all, because it's terrible for inflammatory rheumatism anyway.
Generally speaking, I don't use any recreational drugs that are physically harmful.
If you can get on a biologic/biosimilar, they're really great. I give myself an injection once every two weeks. The only negative is that you're also more susceptible to infectious diseases, but that's a small price to pay. For me even that isn't so bad, I just get a cold/flue a bit more often. It really feels like I have my life back.
I've never been on Prednisone or Methotrexate, so I'm not sure about those.
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u/prettyrickywooooo 12h ago
I like many have pushed true limits with drugs and combinations of them several times. I just meditate, do breathe work, stretch etc now. I’m all for exploring with drugs but that time has passed for me. I drink fake coffee now for the flavor, NA beer cause it’s funner than the getting drunk. Meditation has proven to be plenty to psychonaut. ❤️
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u/Last_Drawer3131 16h ago
Turn off the news man! The state of the world is shit yes but life is amazing!
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u/subtlevibes219 18h ago
No, honestly, there's always something happening in the world and I don't pay enough attention to news to feel like there's anything different now.
Unless you mean something directly affecting you (war or natural disasters where you live), do yourself a favour and spend less time reading news and social media feeds.
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u/RepresentativeOdd771 16h ago
Nah. I don't let that shit get to me. I actually don't give a fack. Just focused on me tbh.
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u/PoopypantZ00 14h ago
I've slowed down because it's hard to find good clean, REAL lsd. I take 4ACO-DMT with the shroom gummies, and it's okay, but nothing compared to the real thing. I'm 51 now, and work gets in the way, responsibilities, just life in general. I've never been one to harp on what goes on in the lives of people I don't know. Especially the celebrity clown show. But I still trip balls about 4 times a year if I'm lucky, suck on my baloons every few weeks. Just living, I guess. But I'm m happy where I've made it so far on this planet, just waiting for my graduation to the next plane.
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u/Valmar33 12h ago
I've been using them more ~ they ground me in a place of positive calm. Clarity is necessary in such chaos.
You need to become like a rock ~ stable and unmoving against the wind.
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u/RodneyDangerfuck 12h ago
yeah, i had a bad trip, well bad experience in a trip, where i was certain a nuclear bomb went off ( but really it was just ego death)... and ummm, i don't know. It would be nice to have solid footing before i journey to such strange vistas again
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u/teflontech 10h ago
My trip was believing a nuclear bomb was certainly going to go off in the coming weeks and having to accept the fact that I was going to die along with so many in the world. It was really dark. I can’t say I really made peace with it. Can’t say I’ve had a trip like this one before
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u/Shiva_Shakti1992 7h ago
I’ve been nervous myself lately but I know that it’s just my ego fearing displacement
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u/InsectPenisHere 7h ago
psychs are unstable themselves. they never lead you to the same place twice
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u/PTSDreamer333 7h ago
I've been feeling the same. I usually try and drop every 3-4 mo for health reasons. I was going to drop a couple weeks ago, did my cleanse and everything and just couldn't.
It's not just the world situation but personal life has been crazy hectic and chaotic as well. Things are "good" but just too much. Which usually means a good trip with some beach boys and finger paint is in order, but I just couldn't do it.
It was more than the normal hesitancy, my body rejected the idea outright. Super strange. I will need it soon for my migraines.
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u/yaolin_guai 3h ago
Well psychedelics are tools. If the world is needing fixing what use is it hiding away in a trip?
I honestly believe psychedelics to be something a lot larger than anyone understands.
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u/STAY_ROYAL 17h ago
There’s been so much shit happening in the world before we were even a thought. All the doom and gloom means you need to get hyperslapped 😬
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u/STAY_ROYAL 16h ago
Edit: okay it was a bit tongue in cheek, but I guess it’s because I got hyperslapped a few weeks ago and if anything all those anxious thoughts have dissipated.
Just think of the 70s and the hippy movement that came with the Vietnam war and how there was “so much shit happening in the world” so psychedelics became more prominent as people tried to “spread peace and love” rather than doom and gloom?
Everyone’s different but isn’t that why we trip? To get a better understanding? Wouldn’t attempting a better understanding or learning to let go be a benefit and a reason to trip?
Real edit: this was suppose to be an edit to my comment above, but I ended up responding.
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u/Live-Distribution995 21m ago
Friend, turn off the news and you will see that the world is a beautiful place too...terrible things have always happened in this world, now we have the power to see it...but what does it bring you to be connected with the misfortune of others??? It is good to be informed of what is happening in the world but I assure you that the important news will reach you without looking at it on the screen....turn off that screen and do psychedelics!!! Hehehehe, Before I was also in that vibration that everything is bad but it is in our power to choose what to vibrate in.... good luck friend
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u/bbbb125 17h ago
I use them more because of the shit happening. It seriously helps keeping sanity and reset thoughts loops around that shit. Even more, week after trip I usually care less about bad stuff.