r/ParkCity • u/amazingAZNsensation • 1d ago
Vail and Park City Patrol Union have come to a tentative agreement. PCPSPA Strike 💪🪧
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u/Ok-Appointment6290 16h ago
Glad to see this coming to an end, really hope lessons are learned about not having negotiations drag on for half a year past April 2027 (TBH I thought they were pushing for a longer term deal), but here's to seeing a lot of more of the mountain opening in the coming days/weeks and also lots more grooming/snowmaking as lifts are opened/reopened too. Now, hoping PCMR can get their act together in terms of their overall operations as they've fallen so far behind DV in terms of their overall product that they might as well be playing a different game - I know that as DV opens the additional terrain/lifts next season I will be playing very close attention and shopping between the two resorts as I currently do not trust the product that Vail Resorts has been delivering, it's definitely been falling short over the past few years - broken snowmaking, lift issues, facilities that are substandard, minimal grooming, lacking or no communication, hoping they can start turning things around, but they have a long ways to go.
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u/skushi08 14h ago
At this point I don’t think they’re even trying to compete with DV. Just looking at mega passes alone, Ikon is a few hundred more than Epic and that is only a limited number of DV days and you still need reservations. If you want a full unlimited season to DV you’re looking at well over 3x the cost even if you only bought Epic for PCMR access. If you’re one of the few paying window rates at either or you don’t plan to ski more than 7 days then DV seems like a no brainer.
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u/Ok-Appointment6290 14h ago
Vail Resorts notes it's got about 75% of it's customers locked into pre-purchased products (I completely agree w/you on Ikon vs Epic), which means 1 out of 4 still is walk up and when you look at these prices, unless you're a boarder, it's wild (to me) that PC is still a chunk more $$ than DV:
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u/RainbowSurprised 15h ago
Most union contracts are 3 years. April 2024 is when their last contract expired I believe so this follows that.
Vail will have to back pay the contract up this point as well so it’s a 3 year deal
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u/Ok-Appointment6290 15h ago
That makes sense, just thought the union was pushing for a longer term deal, but I may have mistaken that part, thanks.
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u/RainbowSurprised 15h ago
It’s usually the employers that want a longer deal because it locks in the CoL increase and pay without regard to what is actually happening to those rates.
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u/12ist 15h ago
When is peak 5 opening 😜
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u/-QuestionMark- LOCAL 15h ago
It's been open according to all the poacher skin tracks I see up there.
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u/mikeminer 3h ago
What are the terms of the agreement, thou? It is more than just a money rise I suppose. Is this information public?
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u/SPAC-ey-McSpacface 1d ago
Right before the Union had to start paying members $300 per head, or roughly > $50,000 per week.
Color me not shocked.
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u/FieryAutoCrashes LOCAL 1d ago edited 23h ago
I guess we’ll see what the deal looks like. It does seem likely someone either buckled or a can was kicked down the road. See you all in 2027 when this deal expires……
You might be right - but it could equally also be MTN being down over 7% for the month, and 17% for past 12 months, multiple national news stores, and the prospect of MLK and Sundance being a public relations cluster. I’m sure lots of little side issues arose that made things unattractive to continue - like the prospect of an ongoing strike at the same time federal assistance is being sort to secure Sundance after the New Orleans attack. Not a big factor alone but lots of pressure points like that can lead to quicker compromise.
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u/SPAC-ey-McSpacface 1d ago
It was also becoming MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) at this point, so I knew this would end soon. Both sides were obviously hurting each other, which is not the goal of either a successful strike or a successful strike holdout.
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u/FieryAutoCrashes LOCAL 1d ago
Agreed. I will be interesting to see the headline bullet points of the deal once they become published. If they include the big ticket items (yearlong healthcare etc.), it could pose a tricky situation for other resorts. But they could be relatively unexciting as well - a few dollars more per hour, more kibble for avy dogs, and some modest increase in benefits.
Anyway back to modding bachelor/bachelorette party questions for me I suppse. You know - the important things.
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u/SoftMountainPeach 17h ago
I heard the park city chamber of commerce stepped in and told vail enough but who knows.
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u/SoftMountainPeach 17h ago
Do you mean CWA? The PCPSPA has been paying union members this whole time.
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u/Capital_Ostrich_804 12h ago
Email I sent to KLynch
Mrs. Lynch,
I want to personally thank you for the experience I had in Park City on both January 4th and 6th at Deer Valley. Had it not been for the horrible day my family had on January 2, and 3rd at PCMR I would have never purchased day passes to Deer Valley. I now know what a delight it is to ski at a well run mountain. You can rest assured that my family will be purchasing an Ikon pass next year so that we do not have to buy day passes for DV. Unfortunately that will mean we cannot afford to buy an Epic pass also. We’ve enjoyed PCMR the last three years but you’ve shown that Vail resorts cannot be trusted to do the right thing for my family and hard earned money to make our vacation not a miserable experience. I know there are two parties to this Ski Patrol strike and I’m glad for their sake you were able to come to an agreement but I side with the one that came to my wife’s aid when she fell last year and hurt her leg. It definitely wasn’t you or the C suite suits that carried her down the mountain on a sled.
Maybe one day we’ll come back to the Epic pass but not while you’re still the CEO.
Sincerely,