Everyone quit?

[u/LSBm5]

I was wondering, not suggesting, if all us townfolk quit working at all Vail locations ( north face, Patagonia, lodges, lifts, etc) would they GTFO? Maybe sell back to Powdr or Alterra? (Remember when Vail tried to get the rights to “park city”? 🤦🏻‍♂️)

[u/Ok_Commercial8093]

One can dream, but Vail is highly unlikely to ever unload Park City. It’s one of their premier destinations.

[u/NjScumFuck → u/Ok_Commercial8093]

Especially since they got it on accident anyways

[u/Veganpotter2 → u/NjScumFuck]

More like they were very likely tipped off on the situation

[u/NjScumFuck → u/Veganpotter2]

Without a doubt

[u/rakeshmp → u/Veganpotter2]

More info?

[u/Veganpotter2 → u/rakeshmp]

It was a matter of someone that was paying their lease for the lifts(they don't own any of the ski runs). He retired and nobody was in line to do his job so there was a breach of contract without paying.

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/Veganpotter2]

That’s not what happened

[u/Veganpotter2 → u/AmbitiousFunction911]

Meh, there's a tiny bit more to it with Talisker. But the only reason Vail could get in was a payment flop.

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/Veganpotter2]

But essentially irrelevant details. It’s just amazing to me that so many people have no clue about this at this time. It wasn’t very long ago. Just shows how quickly people move and forget.

No one knows or cares anymore how corrupt the deer valley east expansion is. And that story is even more insane and egregious in terms of state and federal corruption.

[u/Veganpotter2 → u/AmbitiousFunction911]

It's not terribly different than Democrats and Republicans in government. Most know the dems are corrupt. Their corruption is just generally more palatable than the corruption from the Republicans. *That expansion is just a reward from past corruption

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/Veganpotter2]

I’m not sure you know the background.

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/Veganpotter2]

Had nothing to do with a guy retiring

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/NjScumFuck]

Definitely wasn’t accident

[u/skushi08 → u/Ok_Commercial8093]

They’re only ever unloading it if they screw something up in their permit or land use agreement and someone calls them on it, and their license to operate is pulled.

I believe their permit approval with the National Forest Service has requirements for establishing Patrol Operations. Would be interested to see if their original operating plan gave specifics as to ratios of patrollers to guests or patrollers to skiable acres or something along those lines. If they do I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re in violation with the skeleton crews they’re operating. I saw far fewer patrollers on mountain than I’ve ever seen before even compared to non holiday weekdays.

[u/dinodan_420]

People need their jobs. This is some fantasy that only 20 year olds that use reddit could mentally conjure up.

When there’s not high skills and training involved there is no leverage. All these positions can be replaced the same day.

[u/Badit_911 → u/dinodan_420]

They would have some leverage due to the fact that Park City does not have a large enough population to keep replacing these workers from.

[u/dinodan_420 → u/Badit_911]

Maybe a little, but it’s not much. Salt Lake City is 40 minutes away. This is not aspen where the only significant source of labor is 3 hours away. Most workers in PC are already commuting from SLC area on a daily basis.

The main people who aren’t are 20somethings renting a room and the J1 visas. Talk to some employees at the retail and restaurants, if they arent foreign, there’s a good chance they live full time in West Jordan or Murray.

[u/Frequent_Dragonfly91 → u/dinodan_420]

Can confirm. I worked at one of the PC restaurants last year and all of us traveled from those locations and even further south of Murray. One even traveled from Herriman.

[u/dinodan_420 → u/Frequent_Dragonfly91]

didn’t think my example would be that spot on haha

But yea. Some of the locals call Park City’a more expensive prices “the hill tax” because it’s further away from the primary labor sources and usually requires a little extra $ to get things to happen.

[u/Badit_911 → u/dinodan_420]

It might be 40 minutes on a good day but can be a lot longer and seriously dangerous on a bad day. That large labor pool along the Wasatch front will not easily be convinced to commute through Parleys canyon that often. Unless pay was higher, but if that were the case the resort would be able to hire locally.

[u/dinodan_420 → u/Badit_911]

For most comparable jobs the pay is higher and that’s how the town stays running. PC McDonald’s has always paid an extra $2-4 an hour because they know the majority of workers could work somewhere closer to them.

Should they be paying an even higher premium? Probably, but they seem to manage to pull it off still.

The danger part i agree is factor that would deter me personally. You’d be surprised how many do it though.

A ton of people do the reverse too. I know plenty of people that live in PC and work business jobs in downtown SLC 5 days a week.

[u/Veganpotter2 → u/dinodan_420]

They don't do that. They change the cost of living massively, and raise wages as little as possible and never equal the local inflation.

[u/LSBm5 → u/dinodan_420]

I realize that. I was the 20yo who needed one of these jobs. It’s a hypothetical brah, calm down.

[u/Jason_boulder]

If everyone, or anyone, can quit working at PC and get a better wage somewhere else, what's stopping them from doing it right now?

[u/worstpilotinthegalxy]

I'm more for either CO-OP like Mad River Glen or the city of PC or even the State of Utah purchasing the resort. I'm just over Vail, I've never had an enjoyable time at any of their locations and would love to see them out of Utah.

[u/FieryAutoCrashes]

This is called a General Strike / a mass walkout. We have an existing open and active thread on it a few posts down

https://www.reddit.com/r/ParkCity/s/2lkIzAL9ob

Something something MLK weekend?

[u/LSBm5 → u/FieryAutoCrashes]

Thanks for the link!

[u/mshaefer → u/FieryAutoCrashes]

The weekend I’m taking my boys skiing. Great.

[u/2181mrad]

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that I would be making a corporation more powerful by buying a season pass yet that is exactly what I have done. They knew exactly the risk they would be taking by letting the strike happen and chose to do it.

ATMO no they will not sell PC. Why would they? The amount of money they have lost is negligible over a full business cycle. Most folks could never afford to quit their jobs. Frankly I had no idea that Vail had turned PC into such a company town.

[u/No-Shock-9940 → u/2181mrad]

Was it this bad around 2008? I don’t remember it being so corporate around then, the was the last time I was there. I loved it when I went, but apparently it got worse

[u/Queasy-Hedgehog-7400 → u/No-Shock-9940]

No, this is more recent. Vail Resorts bought Park City in 2014.

[u/No-Shock-9940 → u/Queasy-Hedgehog-7400]

Ahhh Ok

[u/latedayrider → u/No-Shock-9940]

Canyons and Park City Mountain were two completely separate resorts in 2008

[u/No-Shock-9940 → u/latedayrider]

I was around 10-11 so I can’t totally remember what resort it was, but good to know

[u/AmbitiousFunction911 → u/No-Shock-9940]

2008 was a long time ago. A lot has changed. Really nothing is the same.

[u/No-Shock-9940 → u/AmbitiousFunction911]

Very good point

[u/24wingman]

Would Alterra be able to purchase without antitrust lawsuits. Powdr is up to something with selling off assets.

[u/eddiebarranco → u/24wingman]

I believe they’re trying to focus on the Zion concession contract they won.

[u/24wingman → u/eddiebarranco]

Someone did mention they won the contract. Makes sense.