r/POTUSWatch • u/MyRSSbot • Jun 04 '17

President Trump on Twitter: "Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That's because they used knives and a truck!" Tweet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/871331574649901056
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '17

Well to be fair it wasn't the best way to lay out my opinion, I'll admit. It's inaccurate to say that more mass shootings happen in places with strict gun control. It's also inaccurate to say the opposite... thats my whole point. If you're trying to limit violent crime, making items that could be used for violent crime illegal is a backwards and ineffective way to pursue that goal. However, if your goal is to make the citizenry defenseless and dependent on the state, gun control is awesome.

Your data doesnt at all prove what you're trying to say... It's just nominally related. So just because you have an article that says oh look more gun crime here less gun crime there, US has guns britain doesnt have guns doesnt prove jack shit. You cling to the legitimacy of your data without any thought of how you're interpreting it. Where's the actual connection between gun control legislation and the crime being measured? Are there any other metrics in this comparison or are we just checking boxes of yes crime yes guns no crime no guns. Sounds like a great test for meaningless correlation.

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u/bustedmagnets Jun 05 '17

...you have no idea how to interpret data do you?

If less firearm violence happens with a place with strict gun laws than happen in a plate with loose gun laws, YES, the conclusion can draw is "strict gun laws lower firearm violence." Full stop.

That is exactly the way a conclusion attained through scientific means is drawn.

Theory: strict gun laws would reduce firearm violence.

How to test: make stricter gun laws.

Result possibilities: firearm violence lowers, strict gun laws work. -- Firearm violence stays the same, strict gun laws do not work. -- Firearm violence increases, strict gun laws have an adverse effect.

Your original point claimed the THIRD OPTION. That stricter laws increase mass shootings. Wherein reality, the first one is the case. Stricter laws have shown to reduce firearm violent crime rate.

This is not rocket science. You don't need your high school diploma to understand this.

You are actually just completely clueless on how to interpret data and desperate to find a way to support your original argument. Which again, you made without any basis in science or fact.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '17

Man that was a long winded way to say you disagree. Are we ever going to move past "hey this link says I'm right"? Do you have any idea of what the societal and psychological causes for violence are? Do you have any idea about the historical dangers of a society relinquishing it's right of self defense?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '17

My point claims many alternative options to the conclusion that gun legislation is solely responsible for the lower incidence of violent crime in the UK than in the US. I already conceded the point that it is likely that gun legislation impacts the incidence of firearm related injuries and deaths, but it does nothing to address the CAUSES of the violence or of the injuries/deaths...

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '17

Your argument says hey I prefer mass stabbings to mass shootings because less people will die but I want to do absolutely nothing to address the reasons everyone wants to murder each other.

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u/bustedmagnets Jun 06 '17

Uh, I also provided you a link showing you that all violent crime is down in the UK, but hey, I know how much you like go ignore facts because they don't support your bullshit outlandish claims.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '17

Yes I saw the link numb nuts. You're projecting.

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u/bustedmagnets Jun 06 '17

Okay, go ahead little boy, how is that projection? How is telling you that you're wrong for ignoring facts and not being able to interpret them AS FACTS is a projection.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '17

Who's ignoring now? You haven't said a damn thing besides "muh link"

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u/bustedmagnets Jun 06 '17

So you're not even going to answer how what I said is "projecting"? Man you DESPERATE.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '17

Deflection.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '17

Selection