r/MetaRepublican Feb 09 '17

This sub is for Republicans. If you do not identify as one, you are a guest here.

If you are not a Republican, please do not mess up our front page or comment section by using the vote button. Articles and comments that are disportionately up voted may be removed at the discretion of the mods to prevent forum slide.

Republicans can, of course, use the vote button but if you down vote something at least explain why.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Or there are actually a lot of moderate Republicans or Independents who are outraged at what is going on with the government? I was someone who generally supported George W. Bush during his election and presidency... Some of the so-call announcement postings are utterly biased and ridiculous. Honestly, I think what is happening is that the mods are too afraid of facing the reality of the situation and trying to control the dialogue with silly reminders, rules, and bans. This is freaking reddit, not some private discussion forum. How much do you think you can actually control unless you want to turn into r/the_donald. Just my two cents.

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u/125e125 Feb 09 '17

This seems more likely. I see a lot of "regular" republicans getting shit on by the extreme right, accused of being liberals in disguise, concern trolling, etc. Maybe, just MAYBE some republicans are not up DT's ass?

For all the infighting the left has over corporate vs "true" liberals, I see this as a growing problem for the right. Don't marginalize republicans who don't agree with Trump or you will alienate a big part of the base.

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u/CuterBostonTerrier Feb 09 '17

Controlling criticism of a republican president is one thing, making a fake news article stickied to the front page is an entirely different story, and that is what they have been doing. Deleting links of reports done on what Donald himself has said since it sounds so outrageous, that's what this sub has become, it's sad.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

If you feel something is disinformational we have rule 6. We very rarely see it used properly though.

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u/stopher_dude Feb 09 '17

Just curious what is that you hate? I think what Donald is doing is great. I think what Donald is saying is asinine. My biggest concern at this juncture is for him to start using the republican congress to get so laws passed instead of using executive orders all the time. Right now though he is fixing some of the damage caused by the old administration.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

I don't even know what to say. You are admitting some of Trump's issues in a way that sounds to me to be the understatement of the year. Words are important. He is alienating long-time allies which puts our nation at risk. He thinks he is being hard on terrorists, but the impulsive and chaotic way in which he carries out his plans just makes our nation look weak and might open us up to actual attacks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '17

Re: Trump. Personally, I think he lacks the dignity appropriate for the highest office in the nation, and his behavior, bombast, and language are an embarrassment. As for his policies, arrogant carelessness in enacting his earliest executive orders gave his opponents some very solid ground on which to stand and has damaged the reputation of the administration. If he had been more careful with his immigration policy, he may have been able to enforce it without having to fight the courts.

I can't speak to the Russia business because I haven't read up on it. I'm going to wait until more substantiated coverage is available.

I know people think (especially after the healthcare thread) that I'm some sort of liberal in Republican's clothing. I don't know what to tell those people to change their minds. I have a direction in mind that I'd like to see the country take, but I'm also trying my hardest to be a thoughtful realist about the steps necessary to get there. For all the scolding I received, my key points were that if the government is going to take its paws out of healthcare and/or health insurance, insurance lobbies need to take their paws out of the government, too. I've never seen it written that as a Republican I have to embrace the rights of corporations to exploit this broken system. I don't need to celebrate subsidies and bailouts, even if they're helping "business." A business that can't exist without help or favors from the government is just as dependent on public assistance as a welfare recipient.

Furthermore, as this sub is /r/Republican and not /r/conservative, I have presumed that it is a place for Republicans to discuss their thoughts and views on various issues though in some ways those views may skew more to the center.

The discourse has been overwhelmingly civil, I'll say that.

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u/stopher_dude Feb 11 '17

Trump is a very crass and unpleasant man. But his policies have been great. We've had politician after politician liento us. At least he is following through on his promises. When was the last time we saw a politician do that. We also had to endure 8 years of Obama doing nothing but lie to the American people. Would you rather have An Obama type president who was an amazing speaker but did nothing to help America? Who lied and enacted policies that made America weaker? But at least he did it with dignity. I'm tired of being more concerned about how a person acts and dresses and and electing people who don't give a damn about America. I honestly do believe Trump cares about America. When was the last time you could say that about a president?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '17

I think some of his policies are positive, but I'm very concerned about his lack of savvy in enacting them. Whether he's being impulsive and trying to follow through on him promises ASAP (to his credit, as you say) or being influenced by unwise voices in his administration, he has kicked up a lot of resistance that wouldn't have existed had he at least followed established methods of vetting his policies.

No doubt some of his supporters feel that's part of his genius. And maybe it is.

But the tweeting... oh, Lord, the tweeting...

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u/stopher_dude Feb 12 '17

The opposition would have been there regardless. The left has lost their damn minds. They deal in feelings and not facts. Just look at the people who try to say Bernie won the debate against Cruz.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

Regarding t_d I think fateemo'sissue with it is the lack of divergent opinions and civility.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17 edited Feb 09 '17

It's a hard balance I will admit but we have a lot of posts downvoted beyond moderate republicans issues.

Reddit is very clearly owned by the left. Which is why we put this rule in place.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MetaRepublican/comments/5qcpke/mod_sticky_for_every_critism_you_post_you_need_to/

We have received several complaints about pro free market posts being downvoted to oblivion

https://www.reddit.com/r/MetaRepublican/comments/5nm5qz/new_subreddit_guidelines_on_trump_criticism/dccu585/

But let me assure you we do not want this sub to become t_d, but at the same time we do not want it to become r/politics either. This is meant to be a place where republicans can make posts and discuss issues without getting drowned out by the left's narrative and utter disregard for having an opinion that differs from them.

Additionally, people have been missusing the down vote button. It's not meant to be a vote of disagreement but a vote to say it doesn't add to the conversation. If someone disagrees with a comment then make a post expressing why you disagree.

We've had a serious issue with this in the last few days.

And to speak more to your own experience, in the last threads that talked about Bush we had top comments that were incredibly critical of him by people that had never posted a single postive remark about republicans. We as mods will not sit back and allow this sub to become r/politics light.

Bush was the best president I had the honor of serving under. He truely cared for the military and when that sentiment was expressed it too was net voted negative. Instances like this had led the mods to believe that "leftist leaning lurkers" do not understand what this sub is about. And when some one posts comments calling for real support for troops by calling for larger manning and a real pay raise, this too is downvoted to negative.

Moderate republican beliefs are welcome here and will always be while I am still a mod. But I can't and won't let this sub slide into the likes r/politicaldiscussion (post split with r/politicalopinion) or r/politics (post 2014).

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

I understand wanting to get rid of leftist trolls, but it seems like a bunch of moderates got swept up in the bans for being mad at Trump. I also wish the mods would be more mindful of the type of articles they post as announcements. I think that if something is going to be post as an announcement, it shouldn't be an opinion piece. It should be a piece of news from a reputable news source.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

it seems like a bunch of moderates got swept up in the bans for being mad at Trump.

Yup, banned for a year. Moderate, slightly left leaning. Was happy that I could engage in actual discussion in a conservative sub (mainly about the DeVos pick).

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17 edited Feb 09 '17

We have rule 6 for that reason. We very rarely see it used properly though.

Regarding the stickied posts we do this when an article that expresses republican opinion has been unjustly downvoted by leftist trolls. This is normally indicated by a lack of comments explaining why it's downvoted, or if it casts a democrat in a negative light.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Yeah, but when it is stickied it makes it look like it is more important than the rest of the posts. As for the rule about making one positive comment for every criticism... I understand what you are trying to do, but it is so infantilizing that I am shocked that it is an actual rule. Should have just left it at don't post only leftist talking points instead of making it so specific.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17 edited Feb 09 '17

Well we tried that but it was actually worse that way towards moderates. It effectively meant you couldn't post anything you disagreed with about the party. By requiring pro-Republican comments it ensures that actual republicans are criticizing the party and not someone posing as one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MetaRepublican/comments/5qcpke/mod_sticky_for_every_critism_you_post_you_need_to/dd51o4o/

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

All I can say is good luck. There is a fire raging for a good reason and the mods can try to put it out with little buckets of water, but I don't think it would work.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

the way I see it, the leftists are finally hitting the other stages of grief beyond denial. things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. They are going to start really trolling us hard here when they hit the angry stage and we're only seeing the first stages of it.

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u/docket17 Feb 09 '17

Lefty Lurker. You are probably correct. You are also seeing folks fleeing r/politics for discussion(for good reason). R/conservative lays down the ban hammer in a heartbeat. R/politicaldiscussion, while civil, is pretty one sided. R/neutralpolitics is beyond the scope of most redditors. The sanity and civility of this sub is very appealing. Unfortunately not enough traffic.

I want to continue to post here without getting banned. I generally don't up or downvote, whether it be articles or posts. I do enjoy asking questions here, but try not to get into any real debate.

What other things do I need to do/not do to not be banned but still enjoy the discussion here?

It is sad that you mods are having to constantly be getting stricter lately. The sane and reasonable discussion here really is the appeal.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17

neutralpolitics is beyond the scope of most redditors

You ain't joking. They are on a way different level of discussion

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

What other things do I need to do/not do to not be banned but still enjoy the discussion here?

Convince every liberal on reddit to stop heavily downvoting Republicans for saying Republican things in /r/Republican.

They are driving the Republicans away from the subreddit.

Unfortunately, until the comment threads start swinging back the other way the moderation will only get stricter.

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u/Awildgarebear Feb 14 '17 edited Feb 14 '17

I'm a Democrat, but I'm here because I don't support the idea of a liberal tea party of absolution, just like I do not support the conservative tea party of absolution. I want to hear what other people are thinking, and I want us to work together. To that extent, as long as there is not a laundry list of insults, which I haven't seen here yet, I downvote absolutely no one here.

I appreciate other perspectives here compared to other subreddits, and, quite frankly, this subreddit makes me feel better about humanity when I see the discussions here compared to /r/conservative, which I will also note, has not banned me.

I will say, that I continue to think the use of the word "leftist" is amusing. I only see it used in right circles, and people seem to use it more for its phonetic connotation to "fascist" than anything else. I would be lying to you if I told you that it would be easy to find an agreed upon definition for the word "leftist" anywhere on the internet, and I find it used in countless connotations; the only theme is that it is always negative, and never used by someone on the political left.

We had both parties move towards populist policy, but the word "leftist" is thrown around continually. Simultaneously, the word "leftist" can also be used to describe an anti-globalist. In this case, many Trump supporters are "leftists," but I don't think they would want to be associated with that word by any measure.

Frankly, it's a word with unlimited definitions and connotations at this point. If you go by conservapedia, which is evidently a thing, this is the definition you get. It's not coherent. http://www.conservapedia.com/Leftist

If you go by other definitions, you can find beliefs in moderate taxes and reduced educational costs.

You can even find sites both saying Trump is a leftist, and that Trump is being attacked by leftists. https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2016/11/americas-next-leftist-president-donald-trump/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/19/here-is-the-list-of-75-leftist-groups-that-want-to-stop-donald-trump-from-taking-the-oath-of-office/

For the moderator, I want to say that I grew up in a very conservative area. Many of my friends and family are very conservative or strong Republicans. There is absolutely Republican and conservative backlash against President Trump. We even saw it in states like Utah both before and during the election.

This time period is either an anomalous bubble or a redefining of political party boundaries which will lead to the rise of new political movements. I would advise you against believing that criticism of Trump is simply a product of the Democratic party.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

I mean, I think leftist trolls will do whatever they want anyway regardless of the rules. It just seems to me that what the mods are doing are just alienating the moderates along with banning the trolls.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

I hate to put it in these terms because it very likely doesn't sound very reassuring, but if a random moderate republican is truely a republican then they'll at least have something positive to say about the party. But shills and leftist trolls won't. So instead of removing every post that appears leftist and becoming a place where descenting opinions can never be expressed, we had to do something to ensure it was actual republican concerns were being voiced.

We actually created this rule so that moderates could express their concerns more freely while still ensuring the mods weren't dealing with a leftist concern troll. Also, this policy ensures that just because someone is anti-(insert politicians name here) they are not necessarily anti-republican. So when the primaries come back around it's a lot harder to call someone a RINO because we can at least say one thing that makes them republican.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Well, I said I think republicans in general have good intentions, but I am not sure about Trump. Still got banned.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17 edited Feb 09 '17

Then show where you've made a pro republican comment by replying to you're banned message with the procomment and the mods will reconsider. We do make mistakes a we typically only look back about a week

Also it has to be specific as well.

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u/GrandMesa Feb 10 '17

yosoff bans anyone that says a negative comment about Israel. Sorry, but you have a problem with one of your moderators on what should be an important foreign policy rather than a monolithic voting bloc

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

No he doesn't. Or he would have banned quite a few people back when I was a mod of the subreddit. Plenty of folks questioned Israel and our policy.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

And also as if to illustrate my point. The comment actually answering your question and concern hasn't been upvoted once but the comments that talk about trump in a negative way have been.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Have some upvotes for listening and explaining even though we disagree.

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u/bobertbob Feb 09 '17

I don't really care about this one way or the other, but I can assure you that people on the left don't "troll," the way you think they do. It's actually sincere people with sincere concerns. t_d is full of trolls, and there is no left version of that. So really, it's a lot of projection on your guys' part.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 09 '17

and there is no left version of that.

Have you been to /r/ShitPoliticsSays recently?

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

That sub is for people on the right who feel offended by what people on the left say. I wouldn't cite /r/ShitRConservativeSays and say look how ridiculous conservatives are, because it's super biased. The "liberal trolls," that you guys are always crying about on /r/Republican are rarely trolls like t_d. there is no liberal version of the toxic shit-hole that is t_d.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

That sub is for people on the right who feel offended by what people on the left say.

No. It's for people to post examples of things they have discovered in r/politics.

r/conservatives is a subreddit for conservatives

r/politics was supposed to be for all politics, but it is a place where folks on the left "troll" every bit as much as people in The Donald do.

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

what is your definition of trolling?

When I think of trolling, I think of people not engaging in good faith. I don't think liberals are coming to /r/Republican to just rile repubs up, they're trying to have actual discussions. They have a point of view, and that comes out in what they say, but they're not just playing games. This stuff matters. But the mods are always going on about concern trolling which is what they call it when someone doesn't agree with you, but it seems to me that the other person is sincerely wondering about the other person's point of view, not like, trying to get them on some downward spiral to take up their time. Who the fuck has the time for that? I read an explanation that someone gave about being a mod for a sub that MRAs frequented and about how the MRAs engaged in that sub, and that is trolling to me and that's not what liberals on /r/Republican are doing. I'll try and find that comment, I can't find it at the moment.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

what is your definition of trolling?

Calling Republicans Nazis. Saying Republicans should be killed. Advocating murdering politicians. Saying Trump should be assassinated. Saying that people in old folks homes should be drugged so they can't vote Republican.

This shit is trolly. But they are serious about it and that's what's scary.

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u/Zombi_Sagan Feb 10 '17

I'm pretty sure SPS has turned into a t_d clone.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

Not really.

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u/Andy06r Feb 09 '17

My two cents

1) I dislike mods of any sub stickying their own submissions. I'll give your (pl) motive the benefit of the doubt, but it can come across as trying to control discussion. If I make a submission that gets zero upvotes, I don't have that luxury to force the issue.

2) I occasionally downvote the article (prior to sticky) because the title is clickbait, even though I may ultimately participate in the comments. Pardon the hyperbole, but do we need 'Liberals hate this!" to be the title of a post discussing a law?

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

I don't have that luxury to force the issue.

We don't just stickies mod posts most of the time we try to stickie other people's posts.

For instance

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5swyu6/trump_administration_seen_as_more_truthful_than/

was downvoted to hell but no one made a comment as to why

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5sqsss/top_democrats_all_agree_with_trumps_immigration/

This brought up interesting points but so few ever saw it that the only ones that did seemed to be the ones who want to rush to the defense of democrats.

That said we do occasionally do things to piss off the left intentionally.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5qo5px/but_yet_they_still_demand_them/dd1hht4/

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u/wr3kt Feb 10 '17

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5swyu6/trump_administration_seen_as_more_truthful_than/

I couldn't make a comment... but can here... this poll is barely even that. I have loathed every single poll generated for the last year because they all are sensationalist and shit. I've yet to see any poll that lives up to a valid (in my opinion) effort. Any polarizing poll published by any news organization should have sample sizes above 2k (>10k would be better) and those sample sizes should be included at the top of the headline - not muddled in "after the fold".

For reference above and below: http://news.mit.edu/2012/explained-margin-of-error-polls-1031

With that said, and back to the point: The sample size for this "poll" is 617 participants. That's laughable. I don't care which way the poll goes - at that point I know it's Social-Media clickbait... but I know a lot of people won't investigate and will, instead, Facebook/Reddit it like there's scientific validation where none existed. Also the fact that the poster is rather loathsome doesn't help...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5sqsss/top_democra ts_all_agree_with_trumps_immigration/

So I just watched this - almost all of it talks about fixing the immigration system with only one person (HRC) mentioning a "barrier" in some places where necessary - which is not the DJT-wall and is not the entire border.

It's also disingenuous to say they agree with Trump's immigration plan considering he literally doesn't have one (it's a 404 at time of writing in case you're from the future - also... hello!): https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/immigration/

And https://www.whitehouse.gov issues page only (currently) lists:

  • America First Energy Plan (not immigration)
  • America First Foreign Policy (ISIS and trade deals)
  • Bringing Back Jobs And Growth (not an immigration topic)
  • Making Our Military Strong Again (not immigration)
  • Standing Up For Our Law Enforcement Community (not immigration)
  • Trade Deals That Work For All Americans (not immigration)

... none of which address immigration. But all those in the video agree that illegal immigration is a problem and it should be fixed - none of which actually agrees with the specifics of Trump's non-existant immigration plan.

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u/PowerBombDave Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

Moderate republican beliefs are welcome here and will always be while I am still a mod

literally just got banned despite mostly criticizing trump/pro-russia shills/far right and voicing support for proper republicans like kasich and my boy rubio.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17

cruz congratulating that woman for suffering MS did nothing to dissuade my belief that he's a collection of cosmic worms clumsily piloting a stolen skin suit

Remember critisms have to be specific.

While I can agree that standing up for Kasich and Rubio may be a worthy cause, you also have to provide specific critisms not general ones. Calling him a worm doesn't really mean anything unless you explain why you feel that way.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Republican/comments/5spqve/live_cnn_to_host_debate_night_with_bernie_sanders/ddha1nx/

Reply to the ban message with pro republican comments you've made and I'll see about getting it shortened.

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u/PowerBombDave Feb 11 '17

i need to spend less time on reddit anyways, but regardless 2 years for an apolitical joke about ted cruz and yosoff thinking my beliefs are shitposts flies in the face of "we don't want an echo chamber"

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u/bobertbob Feb 11 '17

This is exactly the issue. The right has a bunch of people willing to just post to rile people up. Even u/seph-i-am said in this thread that sometimes they (the mods) post stuff just make people mad. But the left doesn't have a critical mass of people who do that. But the mods think that there's some group of left leaning redditors that are coming over to r/Republican just to make fun of them or something so everything gets labeled concern trolling or shit posting, when it's regular people expressing their sincere concerns.

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u/PowerBombDave Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

it was a joke regarding his less than comfortable demeaner; i didn't call him a worm, i insinuated he was an MIB style alien being piloted by worms because despite being a good debater he comes off as the least personable person i've ever seen in politics. it had nothing to do with his actual politics.

i also called sean spicer a swarm of lying humming birds disguised as a man. none of this is anti-republican, sean spicer happens to blatantly lie to the press -- also may or may not be filled with duplicitous humming birds -- and ted cruz is an unbearably awkward human being who makes my skin crawl for whatever reason.

i cant reply to the ban message because when i asked what i said was leftist or anti-republican yosoff just copypasted by last two posts and the muted me for 72 hours. also not a whole ton of oppurtunity to praise mainstream republicans when 90% of topics are regarding trump doing something trumpian or irresponsibly tweeting

edit: i cant believe im having to defend the idea that thinking ted cruz is a weird dude and being republican aren't mutually exclusive

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u/DogfaceDino Feb 10 '17

Cruz is pretty weird. Most of his policy stances are good, though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17 edited Oct 09 '17

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u/SPACEJAM_ftYOURMOM Feb 13 '17

yeah, this place is really not much better than anything else.

If you defend Trump on anything, you're a "pro-Russia shill" or "T_D troll", if you go against him on anything you're a "liberal troll".

It's still an echo chamber, just an echo chamber of two different sides that both think they're objectively correct and without fault, and who rarely listen to each other.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 10 '17

Well, that is disappointing.

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u/colprest Feb 14 '17

Amen! I'll admit that I'm a liberal and regular come onto this sub to comment and do indeed vote, but never to demean another for their respective opinions. I'm an academically-based liberal and I try to educate when I can. The other political subs are so emotionally charged; instead of having logical conversations. I don't agree with all of you most of the time, but I respect you!

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u/keypuncher Feb 10 '17

In my experience, "moderate republican" is generally a euphemism for "leftist who claims to be a republican to avoid being immediately banned".

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u/ChoPT Feb 13 '17

Wow. I am the president of my college's Republican Club. I interned for Kasich's campaign last year. Let me assure you that moderate Republicans are very much a thing. Your all or nothing attitude is just as bad as the SJW's who called Hillary supporters secret conservatives.

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u/keypuncher Feb 13 '17

On what specific issues do you disagree with the Republican platform?

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u/ChoPT Feb 14 '17

-I support free trade; to some that makes me a "globalist."

-I support abortion rights up to twenty weeks of pregnancy, because I am not religious and don't think life starts at conception, but I understand that fetuses feel pain at that point.

-I think building a border wall is counter-productive; the best way to stop illegal immigrants from taking jobs is to make it harder for people to hire them.

-I think that common-sense gun control such as background checks have no real downside.

-I think that green energy, if used properly, can be net-gain for the economy.

-I support having an EPA that can effectively do its job

-I strongly support reducing mandatory benefits spending which is bankrupting this country. This used to be part of the platform, but was replaced with preserving Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security in the new 2016 platform. -Term Limits have no place in the Legislative Branch. Imposing them would only serve to weaken that branch and empower the Executive. Since the legislative is the branch that directly represents the people, I oppose this change.

-Despite having never smoked myself, I support legalization of marijuana.

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u/keypuncher Feb 14 '17

-I support free trade; to some that makes me a "globalist."

Not against the Republican Platform

-I support abortion rights up to twenty weeks of pregnancy, because I am not religious and don't think life starts at conception, but I understand that fetuses feel pain at that point.

There is no genetic difference between a fetus at 19 weeks and one at 20 - the dividing line is arbitrary. ...but that's OK, the left will use your acquiescence for abortions at 20 weeks as the baseline for pushing for late term and even post-birth abortions.

-I think building a border wall is counter-productive; the best way to stop illegal immigrants from taking jobs is to make it harder for people to hire them.

It is already illegal to hire them. No single approach is enough to fix the problem. If each measure stops 50%, then one measure stops 50%, and three stops 88%.

-I think that common-sense gun control such as background checks have no real downside.

We already have background checks. The end result is that the vast majority of criminals use stolen or illegally-obtained firearms, and the mass shooters have either done the same, or passed the background checks.

Those background checks were also used as a springboard for the Obama administration to enact more restrictive gun regulations that removed the 2nd Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens.

If someone is not safe to have wandering around free with a legally-owned firearm, they are not safe to have wandering around free.

-I think that green energy, if used properly, can be net-gain for the economy.

Not against the Republican platform, and I agree with you. That said, for everything but hydroelectric and geothermal power, the technology isn't there yet for it to be economical - and those two are very location-specific. As we have seen, attempts to force the technology into the market just results in billions of wasted taxpayer dollars. When the technology is there, the free market will jump on it.

-I support having an EPA that can effectively do its job

Some questions:

  1. What is the Constitutional Authority for the EPA?

  2. What is the job of the EPA?

  3. What happens at a Federal Regulatory agency when it has already written all the regulations required to accomplish their mission? Do they fold up and go home... or do they keep writing more regulations?

  4. When a Federal Regulatory agency doesn't have the power to make the regulations the activists in it want to, what are the effects of their using the "sue and settle" tactics the EPA has been using, to allow the courts to force regulations it couldn't otherwise get?

  5. What should be the limits of the EPA's authority?

-I strongly support reducing mandatory benefits spending which is bankrupting this country. This used to be part of the platform, but was replaced with preserving Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security in the new 2016 platform.

Social Security and Medicare are Ponzi schemes, supported by special taxes levied on the eventual beneficiaries of those programs. They are not "benefits".

The Federal Government made a social contract with the American public when those taxes were created that if people paid into the system for their whole lives, eventually that money would be paid back. It isn't the fault of the people who paid into the system that the government stole and spent their money.

As such, the Federal Government needs to both extricate itself from the Ponzi schemes it created, and honor the social contract it made with the people who paid into them their whole lives, expecting the government would honor its side of the bargain.

The only reasonable way to do that is to maintain the programs for those already using them, privatize for younger Americans, and pro-rate payouts and privatization for those in between.

-Term Limits have no place in the Legislative Branch. Imposing them would only serve to weaken that branch and empower the Executive. Since the legislative is the branch that directly represents the people, I oppose this change.

Term limits would end the situation we currently have of career legislators who are completely isolated from the public they supposedly serve.

You'll have to explain to me how term limits would empower the Executive Branch - which is itself already subject to term limits.

-Despite having never smoked myself, I support legalization of marijuana.

That's nice, but it would require that the US first withdraw from the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs. Until that happens, we're required by treaty for marijuana to be illegal.

Under what circumstances do you believe we should have a policy of not enforcing our laws?

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u/DogfaceDino Feb 10 '17

As a libertarian leaning Republican, I've been called a radical conservative and a radical liberal. In my experience, people don't have a clue what they're talking about.

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u/Tiaan Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 11 '17

Not to be mean, but I get the impression that the mods are looking for an excuse to ban anyone who disagrees with them. I was banned for pointing out that the OP was the author of a stickied blog post for "doxxing" when he had the same exact reddit username as his blog name. It's not like I did some extensive hardcore research to make that leap that the OP with the same exact username as the author is most likely the author. I'm pretty sure he was a mod too. The context of the post was me pointing out that the mods are quick to label certain sources as "fake news" yet sticky some random blog post for all to see.

/r/republican is already an echo-chamber. Look at how fast posts that are negative towards Donald trump get removed. A few days ago the top two posts were Trump's tweets on Ivanka/Nordstrom and Spicer saying that Nordstrom's actions were a personal attack on the president. These were both two legitimate, factual posts with lots of comments. The next morning they were both gone without a trace. News flash: you can be a republican and not support Donald trump or his actions

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u/MikeyPh Feb 12 '17

I don't think people appreciate the comments that get reported but that we allow. Tons of Republicans hate the cabinet nominees and Trump's policies for a variety of reasons and we let most comments expressing that stay.

but I get the impression that the mods are looking for an excuse to ban anyone who disagrees with them

It's admittedly tempting to ban someone who disagrees with you, but I've never banned someone for that. What I ban them for are the rules that they break. Typically when they engage in debate with us, they are going to take a leftist approach, and then make only leftist comments. If all you do in r/republican is debate republicans as a leftist/liberal, then you are going to get banned simply because our rule against making entirely leftist talking points. That rule doesn't exist because we want an echo chamber, it exists because we want a place where we can just talk amongst ourselves for a while rather than be drowned in a sea of liberals.

It is incredibly hard sometimes to figure out who is leftist, liberal, moderate, independent, republican, libertarian, etc. It can be hard to determine if a commenter is being a troll or is a Republican who despises Trump, we have to search their comment history sometimes. I mean people have told us they're conservatives when they message us about their ban, then we go through their comment history and they either don't know what conservatism is or they're lying.

I've been a mod for about a month now and I was completely unaware of the shitstorm, it's a headache... I came into it thinking I could do some good, but it just piles up constantly and sometimes you have no idea why people are making reports, you have no idea the intent of the comment. You'd think it would be more black and white, or at least really dark grey and really light grey, but it's not. There are tons of comments I look at and I have no idea what to do with, tons of users who make one flippant comment that could be construed as really anti-republican, or maybe they just worded it poorly. And then many users are aware of how difficult it is an exploit that, skirting just above being banned, but still making it hard for the community to work as we'd like it.

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u/Holinyx Feb 09 '17

I'm too scared to post anymore. I've been banned twice for what is perceived as being "anti-republican" or "concern trolling". No, I don't have a lot of positive things to say about the direction of the Republican party as I see it as being hijacked by the far/alt right and I do not feel it represents the vast majority of actual Republicans. Seeing everyone patting themselves on the back for holding up Merrick Garlands appointment vote (who had lots of Republican support) while cramming/praising someone as completely unqualified as Betsy DeVos makes me fucking sick. But If i posted such, I'd be banned.
There are a lot of moderate Republicans who simply aren't going to say anything out of fear of being banned.
So the vote button is the only thing we've got left.
I can't imagine the challenge it takes to be a Mod here.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

It has its ups and downs.

The primary season caused most mods to up an quit. That's how I got brought on.

But yeah I can completely understand the frustration with the party. Gov Kasich even said the party is my vehicle not my master. And there a times where we disagree with the party and we must call out even our leaders but we have to also not let it be fuel for the left. We need to be able to say yea this needs fixing but this other good stuff doesn't and don't you dare try to paint it like it is.

Very often in politics you'll see people from both sides of the party try and say because one thing is bad with a party the whole thing is bad. That's the part where we are even moderate republicans have to step up and say no to less we risk pragmatism dying in a fire.

u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

The 2nd to last thing we want is to turn /r/Republican into an echo chamber.

The last thing we want is for /r/Republican to be a place for non-Republicans to gather and trash talk Republicans. This is what is currently happening.

If mainstream Republican comments continue to get buried with downvotes while Democrat talking points are voted to the top then the moderation will continue to become more and more strict.

If these warnings continue to be ignored then we will eventually make the subreddit so offensive to liberal eyes that they will filter /r/Republican out and never look back. As I said, that's the 2nd to last thing that we want, but it's not the last thing.

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u/Dr894 Feb 09 '17

"We don't want to become an echo chamber, but if you disagree with our opinion please leave"

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

Disingenuous / snarky comments like that are a big part of the problem. They don't serve to improve the discussion or gain clarity of positions. They are polarizing and lead to us vs. them conversations.

Republicans should not be getting heavily downvoted for saying Republican things in /r/Republican.

If liberals continue to show contempt for Republicans then they will have to be removed. If they choose to discuss things politely and not abuse the voting system then they can stay.

Since we don't have the tools to tell who falls into which group we will use the only tool we have, the banhammer.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '17

I have a question. I've been a registered Republican my whole life, but I'm a liberal/moderate Republican, where does that leave me?

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u/Yosoff Feb 11 '17

Supporting liberal/moderate Republicans instead of doing nothing except attacking all the other Republicans.

"Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." ~Reagan's 11th Commandment

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '17 edited Feb 13 '17

But, didn't our president do just that on his way to the WH? I mean, it's a nice thought but it feels antiquated...

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u/Dr894 Feb 09 '17

Considering your track record for continually banning people for simply having a differing opinion, forgive me if I have trouble believing you.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

Banned for 'anti-Republican comments' concerning DeVos, can confirm. It's a shame.

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u/Chadwiko Feb 13 '17

I was banned for a comment about Sally Yates being fired, and the WH press release saying she 'betrayed' the WH/POTUS. I queried whether or not Trump realized that the AG's literal job is to be loyal to the law and the constitution, not to the Executive?

And that was enough to get me banned from /r/Republican.

But "we don't want an echo chamber". lol.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

You were banned for Rule 1 "This subreddit is for civil discussion not heated debate."

You were told that was the reason you were banned and given the links to the comments where you were engaged in personal attacks and insulted people.

I can understand you being bitter about being banned, but at least be honest about it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

About why you were banned.

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u/AGG1987 Feb 11 '17

Provide a real response.

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u/ChoPT Feb 13 '17

Perhaps part of the problem is so many people saying what is or what is not "a republican thing to say." We are supposed to be the party of free thought. Act like it.

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u/beyondthisreality Feb 10 '17

not abuse the voting system

There's widespread voter fraud happening folks, believe me, big time voter fraud.

the banhammer

You don't consider this a form of vote suppression? Isn't this something dems are concerned about?

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u/OneThinDime Mar 07 '17

The problem is that you are a thin-skinned Trump bootlicker who is triggered by any and all criticism of your God Emperor.

You may ban me from this sub, too. I'll allow it.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

But banning people doesn't affect the votes. I can still upvote or downvote even though I'm banned.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

If we had better tools then maybe we could try different methods.

We may not be able to ban the liberal lurkers, because we don't know who they are, but we can ban everyone they upvote. If they stop seeing the content they come for then they'll eventually stop visiting.

Or, they could respect that it's a REPUBLICAN subreddit and choose not to abuse the voting system.

The choice is theirs, but we will do whatever is required with the limited tools we have.

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u/AGG1987 Feb 11 '17

If this is not a clear desire to control the message, I don't know what is. You want to control the upvote downvote system on a public subreddit. That's ridiculous.

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u/125e125 Feb 09 '17

It's also a public subreddit. Maybe you should make it private and vet/invite members.

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u/Mobile-Aioli-454 Jan 03 '23

How do you know if you’re a liberal? According to your definition I mean

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u/brettbucki Feb 10 '17

Thank you Mods for making the effort. The left has all of Reddit, I don't know why they have can't let us have a conversation in our own sub without shitting all over it. It's a never-ending battle but we appreciate your effort.

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u/Chadwiko Feb 13 '17

I was banned from the sub for a centrist comment. Pretending you don't want an echo chamber is nonsense.

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u/Yosoff Feb 13 '17

All we have right now are centrists and leftists, we're trying to end the echo chamber.

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u/125e125 Feb 09 '17

The only people I see being heavily downvoted are trollish comments that it appears even "normal" conservatives take issue with. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong threads?

I'm a centrist but this administration has pushed me towards the left, however I do agree with Republicans on certain issues. Again, I haven't seen any heavy downvoting that didn't seem warranted in some fashion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

If these warnings continue to be ignored then we will eventually make the subreddit so offensive to liberal eyes that they will filter /r/Republican out and never look back.

How is this in any way constructive? Echo chambers (politics, conservative, the_donald) are bad for everywhere. This sub was one where Iw as happy to have actual discussion on issues.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

It's not constructive at all, it's the 2nd to last thing that we want to happen.

However, it is preferable to the status quo.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

Maybe you guys could issue temporary bans instead of year-long bans? Or give warnings? For example, I was banned out of the blue for a year with no warning.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

That is a temporary ban, just a very long one.

Once things improve enough we will be open to hearing appeals to have bans lessened or removed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

I'm happy to here that. Was just surprised, I guess.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

We've had multiple warning threads like this. You admit to being a left-leaning moderate. And you made anti-Republican comments.

I don't know what more you want. It shouldn't have been a surprise. A disappointment, sure, but not a surprise.

I think a lot of people read these threads and think that we must not mean them, but we mean everyone.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Honestly, it is hard to see where the line is between anti-republican comment and a dissenting opinion that the mods happen to not like.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

It's a hard line to draw. So far we have not had the impact we were hoping to have, so we may have to start being more strict with the line in the near future.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

Well you guys are already super strict. Any stricter and it would probably turn into r/the_donald or just be an empty subreddit.

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u/Mobile-Aioli-454 Jan 03 '23

Is there a definition of what republican actually means? Since it’s basically a made up word that only exist in the US

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u/125e125 Feb 09 '17

Thank you. It's remarks like these that make me think Yosoff is part of the problem. Turning into The Donald is not a solution and if you think it is then you need to look at yourself.

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u/Crisolis Feb 10 '17

The mods are also pretty much the only ones being downvoted in most of the threads (aside from the errant troll). Probably another reason they're taking it so personally.

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u/AGG1987 Feb 11 '17

Maybe they should provide quality posting and discussion as opposed to simple posting pro-Republican shit links.

Seriously, Yosoff made a post about a woman outside of Dallas voting twice and getting jailed. That's not proof that election fraud is an issue. If anything, it's proof that the process to punish violating parties works.

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u/DogfaceDino Feb 10 '17

Can you remove the upvote/downvote buttons for people who aren't subscribed?

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u/Yosoff Feb 10 '17

That doesn't work for mobile apps, people with RES, or people who turn off the subreddit settings.

In other words, that doesn't work at all.

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u/PowerBombDave Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

you banned me for two years for making fun of ted cruz (because he behaves like an uncanny valley doll trying to approximate human behavior) and not being a christian. i'm anti-trump, anti-populism because of the inherent leftist economics and trump's pseudo-socialist agenda of crony capitalism and public-private parternerships (1.1 trillion in public-private to exact)

banned me for "leftist comments" without any example. despite the fact that every time i voiced my belief that we should simply repeal obamacare, i'd get literal essays written to me about how its "impossible" to get the government out of healthcare and yet those folks are still posting. called me a shitposter even though there's The_donald dudes who actually do shitpost on every trump thread unabated and i mostly did the exact opposite of shitpost.

sorry im an ex mormon who thinks ted cruz acts like an alien. edit: and doesn't like alt right nonsense because they're racists who literally support socialism if you listen long enough (can't be a national socialist without it, after all)

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u/Mobile-Aioli-454 Jan 03 '23

Lol they support socialism? In what way?

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u/pianotherms Feb 09 '17

I've been lurking here since before the election because I needed to hear calm, rational opinions. Even if I don't agree with some of the tenets listed on the sidebar, I really appreciate the lack of hyperbole typically seen in this sub. I've also felt comfortable to post a few times without fear of reprisal.

I am an Independent and I think r/politics has been pointless for a long time. I'm trying to be educated and engaged without the constant "everyone is losing their shit" mentality.

My question is: what level of discussion do members of this sub want? I am interested in how Republicans are reacting to the administration and I think the discussions here have been level headed. However, I don't think there this is a place where people need to be constantly challenged by opposing viewpoints or bombarded with "toldya so" type comments.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

Yeah pretty much. That said, some "I told you so" comments might do well in one of the other subs like r/hindsightin2020.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '17

So, I disaffiliated when Trump got the nomination, but I still am very very very far right for a Democrat. Am I not allowed to vote on posts as an Independant?

I'm sorry if that seems antagonistic, but it is kind of hard to define what "makes" a Republican other than official registration, and I don't want to be exacerbating any problems.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 12 '17

How do you identify? Candidate be damned. Which party do you most agree with?

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '17 edited Feb 13 '17

I have always seen myself as a moderate Republican, but I also believe that it is essential to the health of the country to alternate which party is in power over time as neither is without fault.

I guess I could say Libertarian except I actually like government existing in a severely check and balanced capacity.

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u/Zombi_Sagan Feb 10 '17

I think this is a mistake. I have appreciated being a guest here, so I do not post much and I do not vote, but I feel this path you are taking is dangerous. You should be moving the other way instead of trying to push everyone else out. Our country is far too divided these days and I refuse to believe every Republican or registered Republican are out to destroy my way of life. It is insane to believe that, a whole group of people cannot simply want to lead this country to ruin. We as Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives, and Liberals, and all those in between share much more together than we do apart. I understand this is your subreddit and I don't want to push a liberal philosophy onto you but this hard line approach is not what is needed. Millions of people are upset with our President, or else his approval ratings wouldn't be in the low 30s, and I guarantee some of those include Republicans. You shouldn't be shutting out dissenting views, let you populace decide that.

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u/DogfaceDino Feb 09 '17

I appreciate what you guys are doing here. I know you normally only hear about it when you've done something to piss someone off so I'll go ahead and say that the moderating policy here is miles ahead of places like /r/Conservative and certainly ahead of r/the_donald. I appreciate that you guys try to treat the dissenting opinions inside the Republican party in an even handed way. After all, the variety of views and philosophies in the Republican party is what makes us more tolerant of opposing views than the leftists who try to shame, shout down, or silence those they disagree with.

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u/Andy06r Feb 09 '17

I'll piggy back on this. As a moderate I enjoy participating on this sub. r/conservative is doing many of things we criticize Democrats for doing - looking the other way when their team does it - and the_donald I hope is just spam and meme'ing because it's a terrifying cult of personality that should be renamed r/21stCenturyMonarchy

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

/r/Republican is better than /r/Conservative for sure, but there are some glaring absences that I would also like to know how republicans would react to, but no one ever posts about it on the sub. Like, I've seen very little about the Yemeni raid, which is kind of a big deal. I suppose the lack of discussion speaks for itself.

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u/CuterBostonTerrier Feb 10 '17

A Yemen linked news post just giving the details of the raid was removed from the front page hours ago...

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u/bobertbob Feb 11 '17

Yeah, I figured. Another topic that's missing - Mike Flynn talking to the Russians.

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u/CuterBostonTerrier Feb 11 '17

they want to call the Yemen raid a success....If it was such a success then why are you deleting normal news reports on the raid itself?

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u/Andy06r Feb 10 '17

Speaking for myself, our alliances are important.

Iran is projecting force in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria. Iran and Russia are bros.

The Saudis are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and the US has obligations to them today. That's enough for me. I don't have security clearance, but if those who do want to do this, so be it.

(Republicans tend to be pro-military and pro-alliances. This whole NATO thing is confusing)

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

Sure, but the raid was botched, a Navy SEAL died, kids died, and the US is no longer allowed to do stuff in Yemen. So I would hear about that on the news, and I would think to myself, "how would a republican react to this information? How will it be spun to seem good, or will they admit that it's bad?" So I head over to /r/Republican to see what they're saying about this incident, and it's crickets. Nothing at all.

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u/Andy06r Feb 10 '17

There were posts on the subject.

But you asked about Yemen in general, not the specific raid.

And it's extremely rare for 'botched' operations to be publicized. It's rare for military operations to be publicized in general. It's war - things go well, things don't. People die, including the wrong people.

There are two questions. The first is should we be there - I would say we are obligated as an ally. The second is are our troops being given the best chance to do their job. And that answer is more complicated than one raid with leaked details.

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

This was publicized and everyone knows about it, and it's his first sort of military foray, and it was a failure. I just went over there and searched for Yemen, and there was one post about this issue, which is what I wanted to see what people thought about (I don't really care how repubs feel about Yemen, in general, at least not at the moment). The post was from 7 days ago, and there were 6 comments. It's more than I had seen, so better than nothing, I guess, but I'm surprised at the limited discussion of this topic, given the amount of discussion about other things that I would think are less important to republicans.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

Oh. So what you were hoping to see were a bunch of Republicans saying, "Donald Trump's first military foray was a massive FAILURE!"

The raid had been planned by Obama's Administration.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444766/yemen-raid-donald-trump-barack-obama-john-mccain-sean-spicer-media

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u/bobertbob Feb 10 '17

I wanted to see whether repubs saw it as a failure. Why are you trying to fight with me?

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

Maybe Republicans thought, "There were thousands of soldiers who lost their lives when Obama was President. It's wrong to jump to some conclusion and condemnation of Trump because this raid had problems and we lost a soldier."

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17 edited Mar 25 '17

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u/bobertbob Feb 11 '17

He and chabanais from r/conservative should get a room. Or maybe they're the same person.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

The way I see it, the far left does a lot of shaming and the far right does a lot of fear-mongering. It is sad that our country has become so partisan.

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u/Chadwiko Feb 13 '17

The main issue I see is a disconnect between 'traditional Republican values' and 'Republican party above all else, values be damned'.

You cannot sit there and tell me that traditional Republicans are fine with this current administration. Traditional Republican values literally do not stack up against the current administration. I want to talk about that with disaffected traditional Republicans.

Except you can't, because Yosoff appears to ban anyone who dares to question the current administration.

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u/UnicornOnTheJayneCob Feb 14 '17

Yes, thank you!

I was hoping that this could be a place that isn’t JUST Trump-bashing, but does explore the conflict between the party and current administration as it stands in relation to those traditional values. (In addition, of course, to discussions of current events from a right-y point of view.)

Because right now, I feel like I am going nuts when I look at some of the decisions being made ad policies being enacted and people being selected by the party and I feel like it is embracing values I don’t feel are particularly republican and that I certainly am not on board with. And everyone seems to be okay with it!

I mean, I understand I am more hawkish and less socially conservative (in some ways but definitely not in others?!) than most people here, but I still want to talk about this stuff.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17

I understand what you guys are up against, but I love the idea of finding a place to better understand the other side through rational discussions. I would like to ask questions, but vow to not trash your place or invite any rowdy friends over.

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u/Rum4supper Feb 09 '17

/R/Republican is literally cuckholded by liberals right now. It is hilarious.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

That's one opinion. I have to say this though. The term is quite literally the most disgusting term you can use towards a republican and the fact you find it hilarious tells me you have no desire to engage anyone civilly.

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u/wr3kt Feb 09 '17

This part weirds me out... both Rum4Supper and mopok0000 are some of the most consistently down-voted (far beyond your normal lib-brigade) posters in r/republican, but they are allowed to still post while mostly moderate opinions/slightly-left are pounced on (by mods).

Is it really more acceptable, in r/Republican, to have a repugnant (but still technically pro-Republican) commentary than to have a civil, moderate one?

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17

We've banned them multiple times but they're careful (usually) to not actually break rule 1 and 2. The don't usually personally insult individual users. (Although if they do please report). What they have said in the past is technically abhorant to be sure. But not technically breaking into any rules. But I will admit posts like this one really bother me. But that is where we have to allow differences of opinion.

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u/wr3kt Feb 10 '17

Technically correct is the best kind of correct...

I do understand... it's a weird conundrum that forum is in - trying to maintain a Republican overtone... but not to the tipping point of t_d while also not being overrun like politics... shudder

Also... it's super easy to be critical of the mods' efforts - harder to give suggestions without sounding like a crybaby.

I don't envy it at all - but I do appreciate it as I thoroughly enjoy the sub!

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u/PowerBombDave Feb 10 '17

i was taking an extreme version of my normal position because the requirements of the thread were extreme. also i got banned for being a leftist despite leaning pretty right on fiscal policy (though not as far right, laissez faire as the insanity as i was espousing in the thread)

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '17 edited Feb 16 '17

I didn't technically break any rules but a different mod didn't hesitate to 365 day ban my #NeverTrump disgraced Republican ass. I didn't even come close to breaking a rule yet when I message the mods to find out why I was banned, I get muted.

Can you point directly to a post I made that was the cause for my ban? What did I do, specifically, that was against the rules? Last time I asked for this, I was muted and not responded to.

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u/FatTeemo Feb 09 '17

exactly...

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u/Rum4supper Feb 09 '17

The term is quite literally the most disgusting term you can use towards a republican

Why? Cuckhold is a term to denote taking pleasure in being weak and submissive to an adversary. Why is that so offensive to you?

you find it hilarious tells me you have no desire to engage anyone civilly.

The fact that you allow liberals to walk all over /R/Republican and accept their concern trolling shows me that you enjoy being cuckholded.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 09 '17

Cuckhold is a term to denote taking pleasure in being weak and submissive to an adversary.

No it isn't. We are aware of what it means. You are too, because it has been explained and expanded on in The_Donald.

And you post there... so you know that it is a term that means you enjoy having your spouse screwed by someone else.

This Urban Dictionary explanation of it is more raw, language warning.

The fact that you allow liberals to walk all over /R/Republican and accept their concern trolling shows me that you enjoy being cuckholded.

What do you think this thread is about? It's about trying to get a handle on the problem.

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u/autourbanbot Feb 09 '17

Here's the Urban Dictionary definition of cuck :


A man who likes watching his wife/ girlfriend fuck other guys.


People like to call Onision a cuck when he's not!


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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

What the bot said.

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u/Yosoff Feb 09 '17

Except to expand on the origins of 'cuck' as a political insult. It started out with the AltRight on /pol/ using 'cuckservative' and referring to a specific type of 'cuckold', a white man who likes watching his white wife have sex with a black man (or other minority).

'Cuckservative' was their new way of saying 'race traitor'. They used it to insult Republicans who were soft on immigration.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 10 '17

And I have seen them go into that specific kind of detail on T_D.

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u/Rum4supper Feb 12 '17

And you post there... so you know that it is a term that means you enjoy having your spouse screwed by someone else.

Yeah... thats the root definition.

As it pertains to politics, it means being weak, submissive and watching the political opposition have their way with the country (wife).

It perfectly fits what being a Republican has meant since Reagan - capitulation and a bizarre desire to appease the left.

What other term do you like to represent the incesscant need to be head-patted by the left?

What do you think this thread is about? It's about trying to get a handle on the problem.

Its sad because liberals love to concern troll on reddit. They love the fact that they can take over /r/Republican and convert it to a Democrat-lite subreddit. Its how they control the narrative in politics at large.

Don't worry, they'll praise the "smart moderation" that allows them to literally "cuckhold" the sub.

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u/IBiteYou Feb 12 '17

As it pertains to politics, it means being weak, submissive and watching the political opposition have their way with the country (wife).

No. It means that you enjoy watching black men sleep with your white wife. That's what it means and it should not be used in a political context, because it is racist in root.

It's also now a term used as an insult to anyone who is not 100% on board with a Trump initiative.

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u/albinoeskimo Feb 09 '17

people that use this term unironically to insult people. Your like that guy that goes to pol and actually takes the board seriously instead of just shitposting.

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17

Egh just when I had forgotten about that place the throw up just comes right back up.

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u/General_Landry Feb 15 '17

Honest question, I consider myself Republican. Love my representative and my state legislature. But honestly, this administration makes me feel as though I've made a mistake. Conservative ideals are being thrown out, and there's basically a new scandal every fucking day.

I wished the best for trump when he was sworn in, but I just have a bad feeling you know.

Is truly legitimate right wing criticism of trump ok?

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 15 '17

Yes. But it must be specific, fact based, (sourced) and your recent post history must show positive comments towards republican concepts or politicians.

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u/Minimum_Round Dec 17 '23

i love trump

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u/The_seph_i_am Dec 17 '23

Good for you. Everyone needs to feel loved… even bastards

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '17

I don't get why you are making new rules all the time. Republicans are supposed to be for more, not less, liberty. I support a sub that tries to improve itself so much that it attracts more Republican users instead of creating rules to keep other users away. But that's just an idea.

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u/lookupmystats94 Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 11 '17

Most of those who identify as Republicans don't even bother with this sub because of the issues stated in the op.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

The Prime Directive

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 09 '17

Exactly we aren't a warp capable culture leave us be

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '17

I didn't mean the part about warp drives haha but props for knowing the PD

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u/The_seph_i_am Feb 10 '17 edited Feb 10 '17

What did you think I wouldn't know Star Trek? I'm a mod on Reddit. Being a nerd is nearly a prerequisite.

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u/postonrddt Apr 05 '17

Yes a poster is a guest. In the end it's the Republican or mods site/ sub reddit. Most posting there are Republican. The 'Republican' should be interested in what many really think minus cheer leading. I know I posted there because I don't think many Republicans get it wether it's the gravity of situation or a current party line will not work with voters or public.

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u/Positive_Position_39 Jul 14 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

I am a Republican. Now, can I post here?

I voted for both Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney, Trump, and I will vote for Trump again. I do not like what the Democrat party has turned into. It's a race-baiting cult of astonishing bigotry. They have become what they accuse us of and have a very scary, far-left segment.

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u/Sufficient_Reason968 Sep 13 '24

I'm used to be a democratic but now intend to a republican, can I post here?

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness3719 Mar 12 '23

I’m a Republican but also far right

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '22

anyone that votes for bitch boy DeSantis is a faggot