I've been managed by 4 Indians (as a white guy) over 13 years in my career and have had zero issues.
It's weird that people are so blatantly racist towards Indians in these conversations, especially when the charges (and I say charges even though there is nothing more than anecdotes to support them) are essentially the same "ole boys club" of hiring connected white guys that we've been fine with for the past 200 years.
And these biases are what DEI was supposed to try and fix, but now everyone has turned sour on that for whatever reason too. So I guess we'll just complain.
And that’s the problem with DEI if embraced and fully adopted, it would force the people who benefited from nepotism or say legacy admissions to really test out those bootstraps they carry on about and there’s a lot of people would find out it wasn’t all individual exceptionalism that got them there.
Culturally Americans have been brainwashed on individual exceptionalism so that rich folks don’t have to give back and the poors can fight over the illusion of meritocracy. It’s really about who can do a good enough job for the cheapest cost to drive profits and now the country has dove headfirst into a race to the bottom (well in terms of worker conditions)
The issue with DEI from some of these people is that it didn't extend to white people, not that the problem itself was anti-meritocratic. They want DEI but for white people lol.
It's why they're so compatible though: all these Indian techbros and the MAGA folks have the same goals, they just want different color people running everything at the end of the plan.
Perhaps so, not that it was my intention. If we remove race from the context the agencies especially the tech ones do well to pipeline their workers in.
Because US companies tend to chase cheap IT labor and tech often requires leadership because business doesn’t know tech, these agencies get put into positions senior leadership. Which leads to more hiring power.
The “despise every other demographic” only happens in cases which they adopt the “model minority” mentality and look down on others whilst benefiting from the nepotism that afforded them the opportunities.
It’s not different from what white Americans do just hurts to see other POC who instead of being allies end up looking down on others as sees their success as their own.
Yeah this came off as tone deaf and I’ll own it. Nepotism hiring sucks regardless of who does it. It just sucks even more when other POC benefit and get the model minority treatment. Those MSP agencies do what they are supposed to do, bid for contracts and meet client demand. It’s when they get hiring power and start escalating up the ladder we see some start looking around and wondering why winning in America is so easy and think maybe THOSE minorities are truly as bad as they say. That only really happens as a result of exploiting labor laws meant to undermine US workers.
I know Vivek doesn’t represent all of India, but his caricature of being this tech bro ‘model minority’ rubbed me the wrong way. We see this immediate reaction to gain proximity to whiteness and then others get looked down upon by everyone as a result.
I’m Indian American. And this tired “muh nepotism” stereotype is wildly inaccurate on two points:
One, Indian nepotism works like nepotism does for every other group: you help out your family. We don’t have a broader racial consciousness and I honestly think that Westerners are just projecting their own racial issues on us here and/or trying to make up excuses for why we do well despite having everything stacked against us.
Two, Indians generally hold higher standards for other Indian people than they do for non-Indian people. I work in tech. Every time I have a job interview I pray that the interviewer isn’t Indian so I actually get a fair shot. I have never passed throug a technical screening run by an Indian interviewer. Conversely I have never not passed through one run by a non-Indian interviewer.
I counted the person on my team's time off this year. Three months is how much he took, each time a three week trip starting mid-week returning mid-week to India, plus some days/weeks off in between.
Team is drowning in work and deliverables. The stuff he picks up he doesn't follow through on, for various nonsense reasons.
Meanwhile I'm slated to take my first little stretch of time off in almost six months. Wheeee.
I was expected to find cover for my time off after someone else quit and the on-call rotations shifted. Time I scheduled in April for a December event. It's not easy to find others to cover two weeks of vacation.
You're right, I should have told them it was their fucking problem and my sanity is worth more -- but instead I've been letting it get to me -- no matter, I made sure my boss knew how I felt and he had a right earful over the last few weeks.
I have seen that and been a target of that first hand by Indian software engineers. Not all of them are like that. But the ones that are will fuck you over without thinking twice and they will do it with lies and made-up bullshit. I still have screenshots from Slack i sent to my personal e-mail as evidence of this one Indian asshole that clearly shows him lying about me to management this past summer.
I'm picking up from this conversation that when white people do this it's because of capitalism, but when Indian people do it it's because they're Indian. Good thing we aren't conservatives, because if we were, that would be racism.
Considering how unpopular conservative policies actually are, I guess it was just a matter of time? It’s crazy how blind maga is to their glorious leader’s policies.
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