r/Eugene • u/Seen_The_Elephant • Sep 01 '24
KEZI: Law enforcement and drug rehabilitation organizations prepare for drug recriminalization News
From KEZI:
EUGENE, Ore -- Oregon's experiment in drug decriminalization is coming to an end, with House Bill 4002 coming into effect in Lane County in October. The bill will reverse sections of Measure 110 that lessened criminal offenses for possession and use of some drugs.
In preparation for recriminalization both the Eugene Police Department and the Lane County Sheriff's Office are taking steps for drug training. According to Chief of Eugene Police Chris Skinner, there's going to be a little bit of a learning curve for some of his police officers. House Bill 4002, the recriminalization bill, makes drug possession an unclassified misdemeanor. Some of EPD's officers, according to Chief Skinner, don't have experience with drug possession as a misdemeanor crime. The Department has been training and retraining officers on how to handle drug possession cases.
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EPD will also have a new "deflection" program. It's a system in which drug addicts can be taken to a treatment center instead of jail. Chief Skinner believes the new program will increase interactions with Eugene's homeless population. Drug use among the homeless population is quite common. Ultimately, he said the goal is to get more people into treatment which he believes will lower the crime rate.
More at the link, including video.
Related: Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization set to take effect and make possession a crime again
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u/GingerMcBeardface Sep 01 '24
Infrastructure needs to be built before, not after decriminalization. My understanding with 110 was that it was a promise to build more after.
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u/Proximus_Cornelius Sep 01 '24
Instead that money is up in the wind with no evidence of where it's gone to.
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u/GingerMcBeardface Sep 01 '24
It's okay, the same leadership that blew it will be voted in again. This time though, they'll get it right.
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u/Booger_Flicker Sep 02 '24
Oh no. I'm pretty sure they've posted where it's gone to. Whether those places spent it wisely or used it so they could be lazy around fundraising is a whole other story.
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u/knotsofgravity Sep 01 '24
Is the baby getting thrown out with the bathwater in regards to psychedelics (again)?
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u/stinkyfootjr Sep 01 '24
I would like to see some numbers behind 110. So the cops catch you with a small amount of drugs, they gave you a $100 ticket and a card with a treatment hotline, which if you call, the ticket goes away. How many tickets were issued, how many calls were made, how many $100 fines were paid, how many went into treatment after going through this? I’m sure all of this has been tracked, so what’s the numbers?
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u/ApplesBananasRhinoc Sep 01 '24
This is where a good local newspaper would shine, whereas we get discount USA Today.
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u/spiritoforegon Sep 01 '24
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u/stinkyfootjr Sep 01 '24
So since February 2021 only 85 took advantage of the drug screening state wide. No numbers for Lane County/Eugene/Springfield in this article, but a quick tally of other jurisdictions we probably gave out a couple hundred or so.
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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
You call a hotline and the taxpayers pay untrained unhelpful people $1,000 per call. The calls are under 1 minute.
Edit: Oops, I remembered wrong, $1,000 would be insane and evil, it's actually $10,700 per call https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/oregon-has-paid-group-10k-per-call-to-drug-treatment-hotline/
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u/Booger_Flicker Sep 02 '24
Constantly surrounded by reasons why we should let the government take less of our money.
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u/ScaleEarnhardt Sep 01 '24
As much as I’m happy to see teeth given to law and order again, I’d be interested in this too. We should press accountability regarding this legislative failure, and not let it fade into the distant past without assessing the overall successes (hah) and failures.
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u/MerryBandofMisfits Sep 02 '24
Thought this was from drug policy alliance was interesting https://www.instagram.com/p/C_Yq7zUpIdk/?igsh=MWV6cWw4Z3d3cXdpeg==
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u/MerryBandofMisfits Sep 02 '24
As well as this one. https://www.instagram.com/p/C-6LnALSXao/?igsh=NmNuN2VjbTdzbHlp
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u/Fuzzy_Accident666 Sep 01 '24
The pill poppers act like they’re better than the junkies. It’s class warfare.
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u/Booger_Flicker Sep 02 '24
The richest just get their rush off spending $100k at a time. We're all the fucking same.
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Sep 01 '24
The problems run far deeper than the legality of drugs and how much we help addicts, but we didn't experiment with decriminalization beyond not forcing them to hide as much. We experimented with not following through on helping.
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u/Moarbrains Sep 01 '24
I don't even care whether the junkies get high, go to rehab or whatever.
But if they realize that getting high on the sidewalk may ruin their day and get their stash confiscated it will be waaay better for everyone else.
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u/Small_Donut4935 Sep 01 '24
No mental health. And zero responsibility for ones actuons. I wonder what went wrong.
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u/Small_Donut4935 Sep 01 '24
It's funny how toxic the eugene who read it is. I've probably had a hundred up votes, and a hundred down votes. We've been watching it yoyo back and forth.
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u/LalaLane850 Sep 01 '24
What treatment centers will they be offered? We have a terrible shortage already.
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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 02 '24
Currently the treatment is a phone call with an untrained unhelpful person that lasts less than a minute and costs the taxpayer $10,700 per call. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/oregon-has-paid-group-10k-per-call-to-drug-treatment-hotline/
So, when this changes, whatever is much much worse than that will be the treatment offered.
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u/MerryBandofMisfits Sep 02 '24
M110 is funded marijuana tax…. Deflection I think (I could be wrong) is funded by tax payers and its paid through criminal justice funds.
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u/eug_fan Sep 01 '24
Anything has to be better than what we’ve been doing. Hoping that just the messaging that Oregon has recriminalized drugs will help us somewhat.
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u/MarthasPinYard Sep 01 '24
“LCSO also mentioned their staffing issues. It’s been a consistent problem for the office. They said they will have to prioritize certain calls over others.”
Like that’s new, they don’t respond unless someone is dead or dying. Only time they ever came when I called was because someone died.
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u/Krostovitch Sep 01 '24
Get them in for drug possession, find out what other crimes they have been committing. This is how we get that rapist off the streets and into prison where they belong. Clear the camps, deliver the addicts to rehab and the criminals to prison.
First step in the right direction I've seen on this front in a long time.
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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 01 '24
Yeah, just pick folks up and deliver them to rehab. Except the rehabs have waitlists up to 6 months long. What kind of resources are you thinking actually exist, in your mind? Your plan is dumb.
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u/Fuzzy_Accident666 Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Have them sleep in prison until then sounds like a good way for them to be sober and ready for rehabilitation. That’s what they’ve been doing with legit drug crimes because they don’t immediately let you out like they do for possession currently. You can get busted with a couple kilos and currently you’d go to jail, go to rehab for a time served sentence, get out on probation taking piss tests within 6 months. It works.
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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 01 '24
Well those waitlists are full of people who actually want help. How in your mind, are we going to make it work with the whole 2 inpatient treatment centers we currently have? I’m guessing you’re expecting some kind of magic wand to be waved and it all to go away while still opposing any sort of taxpayer funding, or possibly even against taxation of any kind as a whole. If only society could just solve all its own problems, provide you with nice things (streets, schools, fire and police, etc.) without costing you a dime or even making you think too hard about it, right? But again, that’s just a guess. My apologies if I’m way off base
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u/507snuff Sep 01 '24
Dude, what are you even talking about. The fact you think rapists are drug addled strangers shows how removed you are from the reality of that crime.
3 out of 4 rapes are done by someone known to the victim. Rapists are friends, intimate partners, and acquaintances.
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u/Wiley-E-Coyote Sep 01 '24
I would under that they are referring to the two random rapes in Eugene parks that occurred recently
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u/CmdrSaltyk Sep 01 '24
Well, the cops get more money to fight drugs if they are fighting drugs. We probably don’t have an MRAP yet.
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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 01 '24
The cops still won’t do shit now that it’s been normalized. They’re worthless.
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u/ScaleEarnhardt Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Idk I kinda think they played the most epic hand of weaponized incompetence ever. Their POA: just stop responding to calls and watch the public panic, then repeal legislation they didn’t wish to have enacted, and reap the windfall benefits once total chaos reigns.
Dead fucking serious— As a city/county/state we should demand an audit of police department’s behavior over the last few years. The law enforcement agencies are just as responsible for the recent failures as the government officials who completely neglected to implement the remedial half of 110, imo.
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u/Cascadialiving Wildlife Protector Sep 01 '24
I think it’s far less of a grand conspiracy than you believe. From talking to cops who I need to remove people from my work from time to time, once things were decriminalized and jails stopped booking most people during Covid, arresting damn near anyone was stopped. Because many agencies have a policy of not going hands on for a citation, so once a lot of criddlers realized they can just refuse to comply and nothing will happen that’s what they did. So to avoid some 2 hour situation that would have only ended in a citation they just stopped trying most of the time.
I had gotten to the point where I told them I was going to use force on someone for trespassing(which you can under Oregon law) and they ended up telling the person I was going to attack them if they didn’t leave… which actually worked. Because at that point they didn’t have permission from their higher ups to arrest for criminal trespass. It’s mostly for the optics in the wake of George Floyd. They don’t want to use force over a ticket, but that leads to a lot of livability issues because people don’t always comply with lawful orders.
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u/fazedncrazed Sep 01 '24
The person you are replying to is aware of that, I think. No one seriously believes an mrap is needed police drug users. Hes sardonically making the same point as you.
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u/DysfunctMyco Sep 01 '24
Stop enabling drug addicts/alcoholics/criminals and throw their ass in jail to get the resources they need and time off the street.
Their families know where they are and that they will be fed and taken care of.
I put my family through that shit for eight years and the best thing that ever happened to me was getting into the system by means of incarceration.
It opens up a ton of funding for rehabilitation programs and the worst case scenario your removed from the drug for the time being.
Then again believe it or not… drugs do get into jail but, that’s a HOLE different story.
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u/Proximus_Cornelius Sep 01 '24
Hopefully this will help end the Criddler violence against the youth!
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 Sep 01 '24
"Law enforcement organizations prepare to harass minority communities using drug enforcement as a transparent excuse."
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u/Warthog_Orgy_Fart Sep 01 '24
There are a lot here, dumb fuck. Do you have kids? Ever been to a school event?
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u/Proximus_Cornelius Sep 01 '24
"LEO's prepare to penalize masses of people harassing and assaulting legal law abiding citizens" FTFY
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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 01 '24
Hooray!!1! We're gonna restart the drug war. Because it worked so fucking well the first time. Get ready for more of that war-on-the-population style action like we had in the 90s and early 2000s. This time with more joy.
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u/Ambulating-meatbag Sep 01 '24
I see what people being legally allowed to just smoke meth looks like, they can go to rehab or prison, I'm sick of them turning our public spaces into a toxic shithole.
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u/Dennygreen Sep 01 '24
war on some drugs.
drink all the alcohol you want like usual though.
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Sep 01 '24
Yes. Underrated comment. I've seen people lose everything because of alcohol abuse. I've seen people drink themselves to death. They know it's killing them, their families know it, but they don't stop and their families watch helplessly. Many people with severe alcohol problems stop on their own (despite what AA says). Others need serious help and that is available. Factoring in deaths from drunk drivers, DUIs, liver failure, alcohol has probably caused more suffering than meth.
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u/Prestigious-Packrat Sep 01 '24
Factoring in deaths from drunk drivers, DUIs, liver failure, alcohol has probably caused more suffering than meth.
I'm sure you're right, but alcohol use is also a hell of a lot more prevalent than meth use. If there were as many meth users as drinkers, I think the devastation would be pretty massive.
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u/Dennygreen Sep 01 '24
Is there a drug that affects your driving ability as much as alcohol though?
I don't know about meth, but my friend Dave once took 22 E's in one night. He found it difficult to get to sleep, but the next day he was really buzzin' and actually the people on the Egham to Risley Bus said that he drove it better than he ever done before.
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u/Prestigious-Packrat Sep 01 '24 edited Sep 01 '24
Anything that has a sedative effect and impairs your coordination/slows down your reaction time is gonna be dangerous for driving.
Edit: that's not the problem with meth though. It's more about the hallucinations and crazy behavior behind the wheel.
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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 02 '24
Yeah, I'm sick of wealthy people who drink whiskey in their mansions pooping in my yard and breaking into my car, people who drink are exactly the same as violent homeless drug addict criminals!
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u/Dennygreen Sep 02 '24
how about when they plow into your daughter's car head on when they go the wrong direction on an I-5 offramp?
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u/PunksOfChinepple Sep 02 '24
I don't think I would like that, you're right that everyone who drinks kills people with their car.
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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 01 '24
Yeah, this is a buzzline. Are people really dumb enough to fall for the same tired 1980s concepts like this? Maybe we should just say No? How about some Drug Abuse Resistance Education.
We're just going to recycle the same stupid garbage like "Choosing to do hard drugs is choosing to make yourself a menace to society". Hop heads and weed addicts smoking LSD and microwaving babies? Fuck your police state
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u/TheMaskedTerror9 Sep 01 '24
just because it bothers you does not make it a "menace to society". A lot of wonderful people and incredible things have been labeled a "menace to society" in the US. So many good people have been labeled that throughout US history, I'd wear that name with pride.
It's a subjective term that can mean anything. Police states and the turds who support them are an actual menace to society.
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u/TelepathicTiles Sep 01 '24
This town is just so full of weeny little crybabies. Waaaah there are tweakers and junkies…. ahhhhh…. We’re all gonna die…
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u/moocow4125 Sep 01 '24
The reason this didn't work is because of that 2nd part. They were supposed to be doing that during the decriminalization, but they threw a fit and we caved in. The new 'deflection program'.
Idk, just remember that because the talking points about it will change. Country keeps doing this, micro class warfare.
Edit: bad at reddit <3