r/Conservative • u/DraconianDebate Conservative Patriarch • Apr 21 '21
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u/Ohio_Man_445 Conservative Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
Why is there a riot in the middle of the ocean?
Edit: ok I get it, it’s Bermuda
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u/rebuildingMyself MAGA Conservative Apr 21 '21
Atlantis has their own Democrat problem
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u/DoneDidThisGirl conservative Apr 21 '21
An octopus got speared while strangling eight sea lions, so all the mermaids and mermen expressed their outrage by snatching gold dablooms from neighboring, unrelated reefs.
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u/LordRhino01 British Conservative Apr 21 '21
It’s Bermuda, don’t know why it’s rioting though considering it’s a British overseas territory
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u/LordTonka Apr 21 '21
Every major city in the world protested US police after George Floyd's death.
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u/Dave_Hedgehog30 Conservative Apr 21 '21
I think in some places, like the UK, they were also protesting against their own (unarmed) police.
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u/yyuyuyu2012 Rothbardian Apr 21 '21
That is the thing I do think there is a case for reforming police, but the fact that they made it about one race and focused on someone that to be honest was not the best spokesman kind killed it. Also due process is tantamount, especially for unpopular people (read the police, rightfully or wrongly). On a side note my ex from Colombia talked about how police regularly beat people so I can believe the issue is not just the US.
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u/Dave_Hedgehog30 Conservative Apr 23 '21
Nice to hear a Rothbardian perspective!
Over the past few years I went from being a Bernie supporter to something between Conservative and Libertarian. I got influenced quite a bit by Rothbard followers like Tom Woods and Dave Smith.
Anyway, I think some conservatives idealize cops too much. There are many fine cops, and they can vary greatly from place to place. But I've seen enough bad ones, and witnessed over the past year how many have been willing to carry out draconian lockdown edicts against citizens, businesses and places of worship, for me to blanketly support the institution.
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u/yyuyuyu2012 Rothbardian Apr 23 '21
I agree. I have moved from a purple state to a red state and it does seem like night and day in terms of interactions with the police (to be fair I am in a metro area) and have seen both transit police and the city police deal with someone who was drunk fairly and did not give him a ticket and with the city police telling a homeless man that was in a spot he was not supposed to be (but the cop was frustrated). Contrast this as an early 20's something getting stopped 2 times in a night when myself and 2 friends walked around town. Honestly my biggest beef at the time was the state police in my old state as it seemed like they were the ones that got in trouble for stuff. The county police was ok but the sheriff was a bit of a dingbat and they wasted money on a new jail that turned out had issues of their own.
On the topic of jails I think the way jails are now are not conducive to reforming the individual. For less serious legal issues I think arbitration should be mandated before people avail themselves of government services. Also one area where I might be a tad bit more progressive in is that if the government is going to try and strip you of everything, I think the least they can do is give you a lawyer voucher instead of a public defender.
Jumping back, I have really started to find some hope for the conservative movement over the past few years. It is now perfect, but if we can prevent a neocon take over and elect more principled people to office I think there is potential for fusionism to be a winning ticket. Growing up my frustration was that the conservative movement did not focus on things like heath freedom and monetary reform. Now I would say on matters of personal choice the parties have flipped. I just hope we have another tea party moment soon.
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u/Dave_Hedgehog30 Conservative Apr 23 '21
There have definitely been big ideological shifts between parties in recent years. I see many classic liberals now included in modern conservatism.
Additionally, conservatives have made big steps in abandoning the pro war agenda. I guess a lot of that is Ron Paul's influence, followed by popularization of it by Trump.
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u/yyuyuyu2012 Rothbardian Apr 23 '21
Totally agree. It makes me happy that there is a mainstream alternative to the BS.
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Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
The world should stay out of our own affairs. They bitch when we insert ourselves into their affairs, so they should practice what they preach.
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u/Jeroenvbh19 Moderate Conservative Apr 21 '21
Yeah here in belgium they were rioting right at the luxury stores... How convenient
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u/LordRhino01 British Conservative Apr 21 '21
Bermuda isn’t a major city.
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u/LordTonka Apr 21 '21
It has at least one. If this was a globe the dots would be in more non US cities.
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u/LordRhino01 British Conservative Apr 21 '21
Oh I know, there was several riots in England. I don’t know about the rest of the UK, but I imagine that riots were done in Scotland Wales and N.Ireland
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u/BlaquKnite Logically Conservative Apr 21 '21
places in Canada rioted and same with several cities in Europe.
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u/Jive_turkeeze Conservative Apr 21 '21
I was going to say there is no way they had that many riots in eastern Washington this map is bull shit.
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Apr 21 '21
And northeastern MN, where there was one afternoon protest attended by a handful of 8th graders and their moms. They handed out snacks. To the courthouse employees. Including the bailiff. Who is a uniformed sheriff.
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u/VeryExcellent Apr 21 '21
Fucking thank you, came here to say this. You only missed that riots that could literally be isolated to 20 people in some places are in fact different than rushing the capitol building and preventing the votes from being counted in a national election, like different in a national security kind of way. Not 1:1 equivalent.
This seriously looks like a /pol/ meme lol
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u/Roez Conservative Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
According to the Princeton Study from last September, there were 570 riots (violence) in about 220 locations.
Here's the map: https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1302219095337766912/photo/1
The riot at the US capital was under 400 people, most of them charged with simple trespassing.
The BLM riots caused almost 2 billion in property damage alone (and that's just insurance claims). January 6th riot was a few million in property damage.
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u/PtansSquall Apr 21 '21
You're right, can't take anything for granted or assume something "goes without saying"these days. We should say it anyway, especially for the people in the back.
A contrast: What's more pressing to democracy? Our literal Capitol being attacked by a politically motivated group or a few ransacked Target's looted by bad faith situationalists?
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u/N00TMAN Mug Club Apr 21 '21
You're belittling the effect of the riots, but I don't disagree with the initial part of the statement.
Either way the capitol attack was more agregious for sure. You won't find many conservatives who support or defend it, however. Most are like myself; disheartened that those that attacked the capitol basically unravelled any little good faith grounds left for conservatives, and making legitimate attempts to try and come together and find common ground peacefully that much more difficult. It sickened me to the core, not just because of what they did, but it's lasting effect on political discourse in the country.
The rioting on the other hand is still being encouraged, even by people in office. I agree the two don't serve well as a comparison, but to dismiss it as just "a couple targets being burned down" is disingenuous as well.
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u/VeryExcellent Apr 21 '21
A contrast: What's more pressing to democracy? Our literal Capitol being attacked by a politically motivated group or a few ransacked Target's looted by bad faith situationalists?
You know what's fucked? I know it's a stretch but what would've happened if trained military personnel or foreign agents blended in with the crowd and got a free tour of the capitol that day? And for what?
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u/PtansSquall Apr 21 '21
Hostages. They tried, but failed. All the guys LARPing in their military garb were certainly not there "just in case". Foreign agents blending in isn't too far of a stretch I suppose -- the fact that even without those "agents" they were able to get within spitting distance of elected officials should shock everyone
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u/VeryExcellent Apr 21 '21
I thought about it, it all depends on the personal level of privacy they have on their phones which could be listening devices for anyone. Since the FBI basically mapped out the whole thing using cell phone data, safe bet it's not very private.
spitting distance of elected officials should shock everyone
I'm gonna say, this was similar to the Doolittle raid on Tokyo in ww2 shattering the idea that Tokyo was untouchable. The capitol in the modern age is not untouchable, in fact, it's pretty easy to overwhelm what is stationed there and play it off as a meme. What will whatever future extremists in America do with this information in the decades to come? Who knows.
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u/The_last_avenger 2A Apr 21 '21
Did you have a bout of amnesia or did you forget police precincts burned, state capitols seiged, attacks on federal agencies, attacks on federal courthouses, and autonomous zones set up.
That sure seems like insurrection.
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u/better_off_red Southern Conservative Apr 21 '21
Our literal Capitol being attacked by a politically motivated group or a few ransacked Target’s looted by bad faith situationalists?
Can you guys try not to be morons for one day? The selfie insurrection was not an attack and your “peaceful protests” literally burned buildings to the ground.
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u/WhatAreYouSaying05 Gen X Conservative Apr 21 '21
You could say the same thing about your party as well. It goes both ways don’t pretend it doesnt
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u/sparrr0w Apr 21 '21
Yeah it's crazy to see all the protests labeled as bad cause some people took advantage. Get mad at the people rioting, not the whole protest. I don't hear democrats yelling at the Trump supporters who stayed outside the capital
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u/Honest-Garden8915 1st Amendment Conservative Apr 21 '21
Basically any trump supporter is called racist and uneducated. Let’s not try to sugar-coat it now.
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u/SandShark350 Christian Conservative Apr 21 '21
Are you kidding? Democrats insult, demean, and attack every single Trump supporter just for having a different point of view
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u/LyrMeThatBifrost Conservative Apr 21 '21
Right? How hard is this sub being brigaded for that dumbass comment to have so many upvotes lmao
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u/SandShark350 Christian Conservative Apr 21 '21
Except that many of them were actual riots that resulted in billions of dollars in property damage, thousands of businesses closed unable to repair their finances, and at least a dozen murders.
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u/Roez Conservative Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
There was a Princeton study out that tried to show BLM activities were mostly peaceful protests, and ended up ironically proving that 7% of all BLM protests around the country ended up being violent riots. It was 570 riots in 220 locations. It was only a three month period.
So, you have a point. Then again, the meme has a point too even if it's exaggerated for effect.
Map of BLM riots according to the study: https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1302219095337766912/photo/1
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u/Give_Grace__dG8gYWxs Apr 21 '21
Considering this may be accurate, the red dots are not far off. That data is also waaaaaay out of date...plenty more riots have happened since then.
Being pro-American should equate to being pro-assembly, even for those you disagree with.
Duh...but when it is clear a lose organization such as BLM is often violent...it does everyone good to distance from and shut down such an organization. Imagine if the Tea Party started burning entire city blocks all over the country back in 2010...
The Capital riot came down to a small number of crazy people, still, the right shut that shit down. Leftist said there would be many more "uprisings" from the right, yup...didn't happen. The left constantly runs interference for BLM terrorists and even bails them out...only for them to riot again.
Also...I am sick of these people's constant use of vandalism in my town. I've already had to avoid one riot while in my car, there was nothing "peaceful" about it. Media still called it peaceful though...guess I shouldn't trust my own eyes? Or maybe the media is full of shit.
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u/treebend Apr 21 '21
I have the hottest of hot takes. I don't like labels but I guess people would call me a socialist. January 6 was wrong, not because they rioted, but what they rioted for. The 6th was useful because politicians really should be getting scared. It's hell out here while they hide away in their rich havens/elite compounds.
My point is the people should be angry but using their anger to make Trump dictator is just stupid.
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u/TheVastWaistband Seattle Conservative Woman Apr 21 '21
We will update it with the actual riots that included violence and property destruction.
There's plenty, of course.
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u/Williano98 Apr 21 '21
Where’s the source for this? Cause let me tell you I live in CT and all the demonstrations here were peaceful, no looting or fires. Idk if you’d classify peaceful demonstrations as riots though, according to whoever made this.
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u/lazy-but-talented Apr 21 '21
Dont think there was a single violent riot in CT, protests sure but even New Haven and Hartford didn’t have any violent occasions from a George Floyd/police brutality protest.
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u/bluris Apr 21 '21
They are trying to equate peaceful demonstrations to enact changes to overthrowing the government by physical force.
Some of the peaceful demonstrations were indeed not peaceful, but still different to overthrow the government. (I do agree that some of the riots went too far, again want to stress that it is still not the same as actually trying to overthrow the government and killing people in the process.)
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u/WrongBlueprint Apr 21 '21
Honestly Chicago was pretty peaceful also.
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u/MotzMann Apr 21 '21
I see my town on the map too. There was a demonstration, cops let them protest a few hours after the assigned curfew. Everyone went home. Nothing of note happened.
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u/PtansSquall Apr 21 '21
Riots??? In northern Maine? Ffs
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u/fenringsfavor Moderate Conservative Apr 21 '21
OP listened to Sublime self-titled. A lot.
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u/nekomancey Conservative Capitalist Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
First spot we hit it was my liquor store I finally got all that alcohol I can’t afford With red lights flashin’, time to retire And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Where do you think I got this guitar that I'm playing today
Great record. Loved it when I was fifteen.
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u/fenringsfavor Moderate Conservative Apr 21 '21
Loved that album so much, borrowed it from my older siblings when I was 12 (probably too young in hindsight, but all the drugs and prostitution stuff went over my head), got in trouble with the WHOLE family when I popped it in the CD player on a family trip to the movies. My parents were shocked and furious about what I was listening to, my siblings were pissed that I didn’t know what not to play in front of mom and dad, lol.
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u/Synergy8310 Apr 21 '21
As far as I know, our only protest with any violence was in Portland.
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u/drsandwich_MD Apr 21 '21
I live in CA and there was violence: folks showed up to "protect" the businesses and attacked a few peaceful protesters just standing there with signs. All caught on video.
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u/TheVastWaistband Seattle Conservative Woman Apr 21 '21
Don't forget Seattle! Multiple people died.
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u/Synergy8310 Apr 21 '21
I was only talking about Maine.
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u/TheVastWaistband Seattle Conservative Woman Apr 21 '21
Makes sense now. I was seriously confused when I thought you were talking about Portland Oregon
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u/bigtoasterwaffle Apr 21 '21
How about Kenosha? Or Minneapolis? New Hampshire was bad too, and those are just the ones I watched on livestream
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u/HeWhoCntrolsTheSpice Former Democrat Apr 21 '21
Then you don't know much, exactly how the Dems like it.
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u/PtansSquall Apr 21 '21
Funny, I live there and went to those protests and there was definitely not any violence. Not any more than a night at the Pearl, for sure
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u/AmeriMan2 Apr 21 '21
Half true. I live in Portland too. I drove around during the mess. The only violence i saw was broken store front windows and a lot of people yelling coupled with a few stand offs by the police station.
I remember hearing on WGAN (for all things basementity) people got arrested, projectiles were used on the police and urban outfitters had a smashed window.
It was new for Maine but i wouldn't say it was completely peaceful nor would i say it was a riot
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u/ultrainstict Conservative Apr 21 '21
They were throwing fireworks at a courthouse(the one that was housing the federal police), then literally tried to storm it. Portland definitely had violence.
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u/Dr-Meatwallet Apr 21 '21
I think you guys are mixing up Portland, ME and Portland, OR lol
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u/ultrainstict Conservative Apr 21 '21
Yeah you know thatd do it.
Yall should each elect a champion to fight in gladiatorial combat to determine the true portland.
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u/Stephancevallos905 Apr 21 '21
I pointed that out and got banned from r/walkaway
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u/berniesandrrs Apr 21 '21
Walkaway is garbage
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u/Stephancevallos905 Apr 21 '21
not surprising coming from uberniesandrrs
But I still can't get flair in this sub. So what I am supposed to do?
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u/f-16_fightingfalcon Apr 21 '21
It's alright, conservatives are still learning things like how to color inside the lines.
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u/Iceman_Raikkonen Constitutional Monarchist Apr 21 '21
Wait what are you saying? I live I Vancouver and there were 100% riots. If you think this issue was contained to the US you’re out of your mind
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Apr 21 '21
Last time I checked, storming the capital with the intention of disrupting congress (with many rioters having the intention of lynching members of congress) poses a much greater threat to our democracy than some angry liberals whose demonstrations get more or less hijacked by people wanting to cause mayhem/loot.
And a coup is "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government" and the capital riots was A. violent B. illegal and C. had the intention of seizing power from Congress. So by definition, it was more or less an attempted coup that failed.
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u/VlDRlS Apr 21 '21
I only remember rhe upper pic as instances of protests. Not riots. Could you fact check me there?
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u/Sup3rTwinki3 Apr 21 '21
Pretty sure you are right, but we can’t let facts interfere with a good narrative!
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u/ultrainstict Conservative Apr 21 '21
2+ billion in property damage, or atleast insurance claims, on top of over 20 civilian deaths and over 20 police deaths.
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u/The_Wholigan Apr 21 '21
Rioting over black people being killed vs a “rigged” election.
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Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
Yeah, it is different.
The first one wanted to change how policing is done in this county. They weren’t trying to take over the government. They didn’t try to change the results of elections. They didn’t try to install their own people into control of the government. There was rioting and looting, but rioting and looting is not a coup.
The 2nd one was direct action on the capitol building where an election was being certified because they wanted to change the results of the election.
Theoretically, in a coup or an insurrection, you don’t need to attack the entirety of the country. What you need to do is take control of the place that governs that country, and get your people put in charge.
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u/CrimsonEnigma Apr 21 '21
Well yes, because only that last one had a group invade the capitol while chanting to kill the Vice President as he was certifying the results for the newly-elected President they thought was illegitimate.
Come on. Y’all surely see the discrepancy there.
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u/Belo83 Conservative Apr 21 '21
Neither were ok
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u/Belo83 Conservative Apr 21 '21
Yes I know and realize that is the point of the post, but sometimes the battle lines are so strong we forget.
Like Chauvin is guilty, but blue lives matter. It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. There can be bad cops we denounce and we can still support the thousands that are exceptional. There can be bad black people who attack cops and need lethal force and we can still support initiatives to reduce police shootings. I’m so sick of all or nothing.
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u/Erockplatypus Apr 21 '21
And only one was condemned by conservatives while the other is still being celebrated. What's the point exactly?
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
The vast majority of conservatives disavowed the idiots who rioted at the capitol. No one justified it with "well they have insurance!" lol.
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u/Erockplatypus Apr 21 '21
The vast majority of conservatives think it was Antifa and BLM, while the rest think it was a peaceful demonstration
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u/Gemedes Apr 21 '21
..... no, just no. People think BLM and antics agitators were there mixed in not that it was nothing but antics and BLM. I swear to god nuance in conversation and ideas is fucking dead.
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u/kakkarot_73 Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
What the fuck are you on about? Most conservatives have been vocal about the violence. They've condemned it. Who in their right minds called the Capitol storming peaceful?
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u/TheTigersAreNotReal Apr 21 '21
Yeah, no. Most conservatives I’ve interacted with claimed it was antifa.
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u/kakkarot_73 Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
How many of us in this very thread condemn what happened on Jan 6. But sure, keep the anecdotes and straw men coming.
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Apr 21 '21
Well obviously you've met every conservative and have had an in depth conversation on the subject so argument over!
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u/Tonsai Conservative Apr 21 '21
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't really mean much. If you want solid evidence to the contrary, simply go back to the posts on this sub during the actual riots at the capital, and look at the top comments during that time. Probably 95% of this sub condemned the rioters for their actions, with a small minority being the dimwits thinking it was some false flag operation by antifa and BLM.
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I believe we are just looking at different things then. From I’ve saw most people on the right have either down played it. Blamed antifa. Justified it, or said it was a peaceful demonstration
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u/BrolyParagus Conservative Apr 21 '21
Stop with the projection lmao. I was there when the capitol riot happened and they absolutely condemned it. It was really easy. They just said "we condemn the capital riots. Do you condemn the BLM riots?" Every single time. That's what the majority of conservatives actually did.
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u/SusanRosenberg Don't Tread on Me Apr 21 '21
No source. Because you're lying.
Unlike CNN, conservative media didn't watch child murdering riots that burned hundreds of buildings for the past year and call them "fiery but mostly peaceful."
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Five people died. 1 woman was shot and killed by a Capitol police officer. One woman was trampled and died. The others died from personal health issues.
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u/f-16_fightingfalcon Apr 21 '21
One side riots and vandalizes the United States capitol building and calls it patriotism. They scream "Blue lives matter" as they tackle police. This is not freedom, this is pure hypocrisy. You stand for nothing.
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u/ghat_you_smell Apr 21 '21
Why were there Democrat riots in Canada? That doesn't make sense
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u/Slipsndslops Apr 21 '21
I will feeling that Map is wrong since there's a dot in the ocean. Also yes attacking a government building where an election is being actively debated is different.
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u/William_Olsen Apr 21 '21
Not you are wrong. Dems weren't saying "this is fine", they were cheering it on and calling it "amazing! In the name of justice! Destroy Walmart because someone died! It is Walmart's fault, and they have a lot of money, so it doesn't matter"
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u/Domini384 Apr 21 '21
"The insurance will pay for it!"
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u/William_Olsen Apr 21 '21
They can afford it! They have a lot of money, and I once bought a pencil at Walmart, so they owe me a free TV!!! White supremacy!!! RACISM!
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
Makes sense when you've never had to deal with insurance and assume it's some perfect magic that fixes everything. Such a dumb answer.
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u/FleshyRepairDrone Anti-Communist Apr 21 '21
And directly funding it as well as providing material support.
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u/William_Olsen Apr 21 '21
Yeah. My point is, saying that the Left was saying 'this is fine' is just decriminalization of what they were doing
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u/thatbish345 Apr 21 '21
I think it was a small minority of democrats calling for violence. I don’t know a single person that cheered for riots.
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u/William_Olsen Apr 21 '21
Personally? I know a couple of people in my community that supported the riots, and donated BLM to support the riots. There are a lot of people with this mentality, calling for it in the name of justice
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Well obviously since you know everyone and aren't actually a small subset of the entire US population, we can call this one solved.
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u/KrimsonStorm DeSantis Conservative Apr 21 '21
So if one were to link you to a video of Kamala Harris praising the riots and evidence showing she bailed out rioters, would that be sufficient to change your mind?
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u/malam1210 Apr 21 '21
The picture shows riots not protests. Man this subreddit is dumb. People are so biased and obsessed with left vs. right. A few people here are smart conservatives
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u/DarthReznor32 Apr 21 '21
I mean, one was a literally storming of the capitol so people thinking it was a coup is totally understandable.
That being said, the riots over the summer were also fucked and should not have taken place.
Being a centrist these days is not easy
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u/chyko9 Apr 21 '21
This sub is just a Trump rally lite for the most part. They either ignore how ransacking the legislature to capture legislators and force a political outcome is bad, or don’t care cause the election was “stolen.” Most users have 0 normative commitment to democracy and lack an understanding of basic civics. Go to r/Tuesday instead, it’s for sane/more centric conservatives.
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u/DarthReznor32 Apr 21 '21
Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out. I myself have undergone a big political realignment over the last few years, going from a standard liberal to a class first leftist to now I'm not sure what I am, a center left libertarian probably but I find myself agreeing with the right on a variety of social issues lately so I'm not sure what that makes me, and in any case I hate labels in a general sense
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u/Num_Pwam_Kitchen Classical Liberal Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
plus, there's this little discrepancy too... edit: And thats just fatalities directly caused by rioting, that doesnt even start to mention the thousands of police, civilians, and protestors hurt by rioters...
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u/Anon-Ymous929 Right Libertarian Apr 21 '21
Trump got impeached for telling a crowd to protest peacefully at the capitol, but we can’t even get a censure for Maxine Waters openly calling for more violence.
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u/Ocean_of_Robbers Apr 21 '21
If we start holding politicians accountable for what their radical supporters do I think the Dems would shut that down real quick lmao.
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u/70U1E Apr 21 '21
It's not about what happened; it's about what Trump said. He said to be peaceful, then the mob attacked the Capitol.
Kinda hard to say he "insighted violence" when he said "Let's go peacefully protest."
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u/ElliotStryker Apr 21 '21
He also said to "fight like hell"
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u/70U1E Apr 21 '21
I think one of our great achievements will be election security. Because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were.
And again, most people would stand there at 9 o'clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life. But I said something's wrong here, something is really wrong, can have happened.
And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.
Talking about fighting for election security. Try again.
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u/SexualPie Apr 21 '21
its also funny because he'd been talking about "election security" from the second he came into office and did literally nothing about it until it was time to accuse the Dems of cheating.
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u/AnarcrotheAlchemist Libertarian Conservative Apr 21 '21
Unfortunately that is a lot of conservative politicians. Bloviate for awhile and appeal to conservative social media but meanwhile not actually do anything about it other than talk about the need to do something about it. Its kind of frustrating.
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u/kakkarot_73 Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
Which obviously translates to threaten the lives of Congressmen/women.
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u/SusanRosenberg Don't Tread on Me Apr 21 '21
The Democrats' impeachment argument about this was so strong that they had to rely on doctored evidence.
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u/Levophed Apr 21 '21
Lol take back what's ours isn't exactly peaceful rhetoric
Nor is trial by combat.
Jan 6th was not peaceful in any way .
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u/psychic_flatulence Gen Z Conservative Apr 21 '21
They also tried to impeach him for what Joe Biden bragged about on camera. It's projection all the way down.
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u/DisjointedHuntsville Conservative Apr 21 '21
The minute we allowed different standards for different contexts, this was inevitable.
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u/Nerdn1 Apr 21 '21
Did BLM break into the capitol building while the entire Congress was meeting in order to disrupt a lawful transfer of power? Perhaps they tried it on the state or local level? A single act of violence can be a coup if it happens in the right place at the right time.
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u/Tucan-dan- Apr 21 '21
The top map is literally just protests. Some real disingenuous shit right here
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u/yummus_yeetabread Apr 21 '21
The map is accurate. Top card is a broad movement with support across the entire country.
Bottom was a power grab by a dictator and a few supporters alone, the literal definition of a coup.
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u/tjsoul Conservative Chicagoan Apr 21 '21
You know, it's truly a sad day when I can basically guess that anyone flying an American flag these days is a conservative
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u/Farmhand-McFarmhouse Apr 21 '21
In one map: Republicans and Democrats are marching against police violence together.
In the other map a group of far right “revolutionaries” are storming the capital in an attempt to capture/kill elected officials in order to overturn an election.
There is a (D)ifference and I think most Americans know it.
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u/Baker9er Apr 21 '21 edited Apr 21 '21
There is actually quite a difference between vandalism and sedition, but you seem to be too stupid to realize the implications of attempting to overthrow a government with violence.
I'm not condoning rioting but if you think attempting to kidnap officials and overthrow a government is the same as smashing windows you have some serious mental deficiencies my friend.
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Apr 21 '21
Lately I’m leaning more toward the Republican side because if everything going on. Originally libertarian
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u/Just_Common_Sensei Apr 21 '21
Don't side with a political movement just because you don't like some things you're seeing on the "other side". Side with the movement that is closest to your ideology and if you don't like some of what that party is doing, try to push for change within.
I've heard a lot of people over the past several years saying that they didn't like wokeness on the left, so they decided to be Republican, or that they didn't like racism on the right, so they decided to be a Democrat. Please don't do this, it shows no ideological backbone. It's okay to be non-affiliated, while still maintaining some of the values present within a party or even multiple parties.
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u/billydrivesavic Conservative Apr 21 '21
Big same. I always thought myself to be pretty down the middle maybe even a little left. But the left has gotten so annoying last couple years that I can’t take it anymore and I’m just right now out of spite
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u/ralos87 Apr 21 '21
They play off emotions better. Of course there is more backing for black Americans being murdered and racism than perceived voter fraud.
I’m saying this as someone who is NOT a democrat or liberal. They’re better at the game.
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u/Bayushizer0 Conservative Libertarian Apr 21 '21
Well, it's (D)ifferent when they (B)urn, (L)oot and (M)urder.
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Apr 21 '21
Don't forget capital his riot didn't kill any one as BLM has killed several dozen
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u/thatbish345 Apr 21 '21
Capitol riot killed 5 people.
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Apr 21 '21
4 rioters died(1 shot from a cop, 3 from health reasons). A cop died from a stroke the next day which had nothing to do with the riot unlike what media is telling you.
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Apr 21 '21
2 died of a stroke 1 of heat exhaustion 1 got shot by police and one of unrelated but undisclosed reasons (the family says it was a stroke)
Compare that to BLM who executed people in the streets
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