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u/CreepInTheOffice Nov 15 '24
It must be nice to be rich. You can talk candidly with people in most cases.
"I don't have to work with people I don't like." - Warren Buffet.
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u/noobbtctrader Nov 15 '24
Simple rule of life. The more needed you are, the more you can be a dick. It's why most of us respect those who are needed, but aren't dicks.
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u/samuelazers Nov 15 '24
How is he being a dick here? I know we all hate Musk now, but if you censored the names, he's being firm but respectful about how his own money is being used.
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u/CreepInTheOffice Nov 15 '24
hmmmm for a question like that, I will consult the almighty AI:
my prompt: "redraft the below message from elon musk in professional tone."
Chatgpt:
"Dear Team,I deeply value the work we’ve accomplished together, but I believe it’s time to make some critical decisions. Please determine whether OpenAI will continue as a nonprofit or if you intend to pursue an independent path. I must emphasize that I can no longer provide funding without a clear and steadfast commitment to OpenAI’s nonprofit mission. Without such clarity, continuing to fund this initiative would not align with my objectives.
Thank you for your understanding, and I trust we can resolve this matter decisively.
Best regards,
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u/Xvalidation Nov 15 '24
It’s against most common wisdom in high performing companies to communicate in a wordy, nice way.
You should be direct - you have a message and you communicate that. People getting offended should question why they are offended (calling someone out on clear problems is not a good reason)
There is nothing dickish or unprofessional about the email. If you write a 100 word message with 500 words, you are wasting people’s time.
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u/drekmonger Nov 15 '24
I think it's time for some clarity. Moving forward, I’ll be pausing my funding for OpenAI until we have a solid commitment from everyone to either stay or move in a different direction.
If you'd like to pursue a personal project, that’s totally understandable, but if you’d like to continue with OpenAI as a nonprofit, we’ll need a clear dedication from all involved. I don’t want OpenAI’s resources to feel like a launchpad for other ventures.
Thanks for your understanding.
Approximately the same length. No where near as dick-ish.
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u/Adghar Nov 15 '24
On the other hand, this probably softens the language way too much. This is the language of someone in a position of lower power, or an academic - like it or not, business leadership often demands the appearance of strength. You'd never find real CEOs writing things like "that's totally understandable" or "if you'd like to."
The closest I could see a real CEO using your rewrite would be something like:
I'm stopping funding for OpenAI. You need to commit to staying or moving in a different direction.
If you're going to continue as a nonprofit, then commit. But I'm not going to let you use OpenAI just as a launchpad for other ventures.
End of discussion.
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u/That-Sandy-Arab Nov 16 '24
I’m director level and i would hate if a manager of mine or our leadership team was this verbose
Brevity is everything
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u/Swimsuit-Area Nov 16 '24
Absolutely. People are busy and have enough wasteful wordy meetings as it is. An email like this would build disdain, and probably wouldn’t get read if it were not from a higher authority.
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u/leonardorosso Nov 16 '24
Disagree. Clarity is mandatory, brevity only as necessary.
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u/ManitouWakinyan Nov 16 '24
You know a lot of CEOs, huh?
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u/Creative_Beginning58 Nov 16 '24
I would expect most people to know at least a handful over their lifetime.
I don't expect they necessarily would see this side of things. They probably expect the CEOs they know to speak to business partners the same as they are spoken to by them.
I'd say this is a faulty perception. IMHO, the thing they have most in common is the ability to keep talking for long periods of time without committing to anything but leaving the impression they have.
The majority also tend to get upset like Musk did here when their feet are held to the fire.
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u/Pinkumb Nov 15 '24
A classic example of people with no point choosing to police tone instead.
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u/Hopeful-Battle7329 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
"The tone creates the music."
It's an old German proverb which means that the tone of your sentences plays an important role in interpersonal discussions. We're human beings with feelings and nobody should own the right to be a dick just because someone made a mistake. Mistakes happen and there are clear ways to communicate this and find an efficient solution to it. Just yelping about someone doesn't solve anything. It doesn't help with reflecting what exactly the error was and how you can avoid it. It only does two things, a) someone feels just terribly bad and injured in his dignity as a human, and b) someone has a valve for his/her own frustration problems and this valve is clearly not the necessary therapy session for that person.
Sorry, but the tone is an essential part of human communication.
But I have to admit, that the email from Elon wasn't that dickish as some people say. It could be more polished but I don't see where he's offensive in this single email.
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u/sticky_wicket Nov 16 '24
What kind of therapist works on tone like this? I get called out for “my tone” when I stop and simplify my arguments for people who aren’t getting it. Either I’m too aggressive and talking fast and often past them or condescending and talking down.
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u/SaiHottariNSFW Nov 16 '24
Maybe it should be based on the recipient, as all language should? The purpose of language is to convey ideas. It fails if the words you use aren't interpreted the way you want. Knowing who you're talking to lets you adjust your chosen tone to ensure it's interpreted correctly.
I understand some people prefer being talked to softly. I don't. Be blunt and straight, flowery and verbose language makes me feel like I'm being lectured condescendingly by someone who has no respect for my time. Elon's tone here was exactly what I would hope for. Blunt- direct- honest- and brief.
Know your audience, and it can save you a lot of communication errors. No single size fits all.
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u/LetFrequent5194 Nov 15 '24
What you prefer to be an asshole with billions of dollars or an all around nice person and random commenter on reddit?
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u/Meatstick_2001 Nov 15 '24
All around nice person for sure, I’m well above the salary level where I’d prefer to forgo kindness in favor of money. Sure I’d love to be able to buy whatever I want but does Elon Musk seem that happy to you? Being an all around kind person brings so much joy and fulfillment into your life
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u/beardicusmaximus8 Nov 15 '24
I'd rather be the nice homeless person than an asshole worth billions. Destroying the world for your own profit really shouldnt be idolized
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u/endelifugl Nov 16 '24
It's time for clarity. I’ll be pausing my funding for OpenAI until I have solid commitment from the team to stay non-profit.
That is all, thank you
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u/Xvalidation Nov 15 '24
Inclined to disagree as I don’t think the original is dickish at all 😃
Unless you commit to being non-profit I will stop all funding. I need a commitment now.
The message could have just said that, and it wouldn’t have been dickish either.
The fewer words, the less confusion! In the business it’s called “radical candour”, and most top performing people heavily subscribe to it.
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u/CrimsonSkyfarer Nov 15 '24
Bro, in corporate people will walk all over you if you aren't prepared to be a dick.
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u/Abject_Tackle8229 Nov 15 '24
This. Although I prefer a polite tone, senior leaders in major corporations are often shockingly terse and direct. They don't have time.
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u/Adghar Nov 15 '24
IMO the "or I'm a fool" bit is a little unnecessary. Here's how I'd rewrite with reduced dickishness:
This is the last straw.
Either you go do something on your own or continue with OpenAI as a nonprofit. I will no longer fund OpenAI until you have made a firm commitment to stay.
Discussions are over.
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u/Alexhale Nov 15 '24
I denno, he feels taken advantage of. Why should he 'censor' that part out?
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u/barbos_barbos Nov 15 '24
when I see this level of formality from people I work with it is perceived as a direct threat. All this sugar coating and corporate speak, make it worse
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u/tl01magic Nov 16 '24
prompt: reword this with greatest brevity possible.
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u/Yshaar Nov 15 '24
phew, dude, thats exactly what is boring and not read. His style is on point.
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u/TheyCalledMeThor Nov 16 '24
Yep, thats the kind of email that gets buried in the inbox. Gotta get in people’s space sometimes to get a response.
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u/WhenYouPlanToBeACISO Nov 16 '24
I asked ChatGPT to fix it. (Kind but much shorter)
ChatGPT: Subject: OpenAI’s Future
Dear Team,
I value our work together. Please decide if OpenAI will stay a nonprofit. My support depends on this clarity.
Thank you, Elon
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u/ProjectMcDavid Nov 16 '24
If you think that email was harsh, you’re just soft and need to be coddled lmao
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u/BaneBop Nov 16 '24
This is how I typed emails straight out of college at my first job - I was quickly directed by my supervisor to be more direct.
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u/travelers_memoire Nov 16 '24
He funded a company and didn’t get any share of the company. I’d say the email is straight to the point but not nearly as mean as most people would be.
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u/EdliA Nov 16 '24
That's just wordy corporate speak which I often find more disgusting and condescending
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u/SeoulGalmegi Nov 16 '24
Meh. I think his original email is better worded.
I'm not a fan of Musk, but he's not particularly being a 'dick' here. Just clear and honest.
I'd prefer to receive a message like that than wade through that flowery garbage ChatGPT came out with.
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u/Hoody88 Nov 16 '24
We hate Elon? I didn't get the memo.
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u/Apart_Discipline_162 Nov 16 '24
You must have been missing from the weekly Reddit hive mind meeting. Please attend next time
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u/Callemasizeezem Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
How do we know this actually happened as presented? I'm somewhat sceptical.
It's full of loaded language that positions Musk in a positive light (if you don't know what loaded language is, look it up).
And who is alleged recipient to have shared this?
Could be real, but just need more information, it just comes across as very dodgy.
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u/lostinthellama Nov 15 '24
This account posts from discovery in court cases.
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u/Callemasizeezem Nov 15 '24
Thanks.
Would love to have seen the rest of the correspondence.
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u/rememberthekittykat Nov 16 '24
In the subject line this is a reply to “honest thoughts”. Idk why we assume the previous message was so nicely written
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u/James-Dicker Nov 15 '24
yep. and the answer to the question "omg why do women always go for the asshole men" and the answer is, because those men can afford to be assholes.
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u/adhoc42 Nov 15 '24
A lot of people can't afford to be assholes but still are, and vice versa. It has more to do with your upbringing and what you learned as acceptable treatment of people around you.
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u/HumanWithInternet Nov 15 '24
You could have a delightful upbringing and then have power…which corrupts.
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u/adhoc42 Nov 15 '24
If you get corrupted by power, then your upbringing may have been not unpleasant, but it still failed to deliver some basic principles.
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u/HumanWithInternet Nov 15 '24
But character development and personality doesn’t stop at childhood. Lifestyle shifts can skew it massively as can trauma.
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u/fuzzyborne Nov 15 '24
You seem to be under the impression that assholes are usually wealthy. They're not.
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u/SachaSage Nov 15 '24
From 0 to incel in 3 comments, impressive
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u/Unlucky-Bumblebee-96 Nov 15 '24
yes, I thought maybe ”why do women always go for arsehole men“ might end in a commentary, given the context, about how women maybe aren’t in a position of power to refuse/reject/be a dick towards dangerous arsehole behaviour, but no, just the same dull-minded incel logic 🙄
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u/Jourma653 Nov 15 '24
I don't disagree, but I think some things are best just not even thought about. It's a rabbit hole that in most cases leaves you feeling helpless and depressed.
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u/on_off_on_again Nov 15 '24
The real answer is because young women suck at differentiating between male arrogance, cockiness, and confidence. At least until they're in their 30s, but even then it can be difficult for a lot of them.
And this isn't meant to be insulting to women, because men generally suck at reading female sincerity. Both sexes have some blindspots to them, probably related to their own characteristics. Like- not many young women are personally confident, so they aren't good at identifying it in others. Men? We can easily distinguish between other men's bravado and actual confidence. Probably because we test each other.
Anyway, women (everyone, but women in particular) appreciate confidence because it signifies security and social status. But since this is a particular blindspot they have with men, there's a tendency to think emotionally unstable douchebags are emotional stable and secure (confident). This is because obviously "agreeableness" being a feminine trait, average woman is more likely to deescalate situations than to act aggressively. Therefore, it must be masculine and self-secure to be willing to escalate situations.
In truth, it doesn't say as much about the man as it does about the women who are naively attracted to men like that.
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u/Sad-Butterscotch-680 Nov 15 '24
Look I hate the guy but I kind of agree with him
It’s kind of a dick move to go from non-profit to for-profit
Same beef I have with change.org, and unfortunately Firefox is going the same way
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u/Lashay_Sombra Nov 15 '24
He only demanded they remain non profit after they rejected his plan of basicly taking full control and putting it under Tesla
Musk did not really care and still does not care about the non-profit status he wanted to move it under his total control under his for profit company and got soundly rejected
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u/babbagoo Nov 16 '24
Me too but this is 2017 Elon, was a nice guy
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u/docwrites Nov 15 '24
That is, by far, the best part about running my own business.
I’m somewhat less successful than Warren Buffet, but the days are happy ones.
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u/CreepInTheOffice Nov 15 '24
I wished I could sustain my lifestyle by running my own business. I wished I had that entrepreneurial spirit instead of lacking in imagination :'(
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u/AdConsistent3702 Nov 15 '24
To be fair it's not even about having imagination but having a niche.
I had no idea I'd end up doing what I did, but through my previous salaried jobs I met people and we identified a niche and started a business that filled it.
I suppose the advice I would give is to try and identify problems either you face in your work or that your clients / suppliers do, and work out how they could be solved.
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u/CreepInTheOffice Nov 15 '24
Thanks for the advice. I am going to try.
One day, I'll make it. I am sure of it :D
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u/Moonandserpent Nov 15 '24
Yeah unless you have a once in a life time idea, being your own boss is WAY more work than being employed. You're also never off unless your successful enough to have someone run things for you.
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u/phyto123 Nov 15 '24
Elon's right. OpenAI was a startup disguised as a non-profit, but there is nothing open about it now. In 2017 I thought it was supposed to be all open-source code so humanity always has access to the latest and greatest AI innovations, and the power does not accumulate in the hands of a few.
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u/PersimmonHot9732 Nov 16 '24
What did he mean by "made a firm commitment to stay"?
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u/Venboven Nov 16 '24
I interpreted it as "until you make a firm commitment to stay" ... as a non-profit. - which they were straying from at this point.
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u/PersimmonHot9732 Nov 16 '24
Yeah, I'm an idiot. It's obvious now.
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u/Heavy_Contribution18 Nov 16 '24
No I think he’s saying a firm commitment to stay with open AI rather than jumping ship with all of their knowledge and starting their own start up
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u/anaemic Nov 16 '24
I agree with the person below us. Not the people above.
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u/FlusteredDM Nov 16 '24
He meant stay with him in a relationship. If they commited to being in a polycule with Musk he'd have financed it.
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u/flyfrog Nov 16 '24
You can read the full context here : https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/n3Ay4sI1ue
This is in regards to Greg and Ilya potentially walking from OpenAI due to their concerns with Elon and Sam. Concerns that proved very correct.
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u/smulfragPL Nov 15 '24
Yeah and elons competition is even less open lol. They dont give back the scientific community anything
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u/PH34SANT Nov 15 '24
But x.ai never pretended to be open.
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u/youknowitistrue Nov 15 '24
Yep because by the time x.ai came around the idea that “maybe people will act differently this time because this technology could potentially kill everyone” was completely dead.
Turns out people will be people and whether it’s AI or nuclear reactions, we will monetize it or weaponize it first and foremost and consequences to humanity be damned.
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u/Hopeful-Battle7329 Nov 15 '24
And the biggest issue is you can't forgo it. You have to develop AI as soon as someone else does. Otherwise, you will get left behind in science, economics and military as well as you lose any ability to defend yourself against the abuse of AI. Any government has to take huge investments in the national development of AI now. Science and industrialization seems to be the box of pandora–matryoshka style.
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u/FakeTunaFromSubway Nov 15 '24
They have released model weights and network architecture for Grok 1, I think that's more open than OpenAI.
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u/crinklypaper Nov 15 '24
As much as I hate Elon that’s true and open ai is anything but. Which is why I’m happy about things like flux are giving them a run.
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u/kiselsa Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
elons competition is even less open lol.
Elon already opensoursed their grok 1, and they are already promised to opensourde grok 2 and grok 2 mini this year.
But even with grok 1, contribution to open llm community is much bigger than openai's one.
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u/p4ort Nov 16 '24
Reread what you think you disagree with again. Here I’ll restate it “Elon is more open than his competition”.
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u/f_o_t_a Nov 15 '24
Tesla has made all their patents public. Same with SpaceX and starkink. grok 1.0 is also open.
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u/FlatTableGoose Nov 16 '24
No, they made a small number of their patents public, where it makes financial sense (e.g. for NAC"S").
Not nearly *all*
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u/Special_Camera_4484 Nov 16 '24
Tesla has made all their patents public
Tesla didn't do shit. Patents are public by default. What they offered is that other companies can use their patents if in reverse they agree that Tesla can also use that companies patents for free. Completely useless for every company that does actual R&D in the field.
You're falling for Elons bs marketing crap.
Tesla "will not initiate a lawsuit against any party for infringing a Tesla Patent through activity relating to electric vehicles or related equipment for so long as such party is acting in good faith."
hmm, let's see what good faith means
asserted, helped others assert or had a financial stake in any assertion of (i) any patent or other intellectual property right against Tesla or (ii) any patent right against a third party for its use of technologies relating to electric vehicles or related equipment;
challenged, helped others challenge, or had a financial stake in any challenge to any Tesla patent;
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u/catttdaddy Nov 16 '24
He made all of Teslas parents open source to help fight climate change and bring about the renewable energy future quicker. Y'all hate elon so much you can't see that he is doing more for climate change than any one of us here.
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u/yfh890 Nov 15 '24
First time I agree with Elon, they take Microsoft money in exchange for the latest OpenAI models that's not nonprofit is service provider.
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u/youknowitistrue Nov 15 '24
Yeah I don’t know what people are trying to say. OpenAI 100% got greedy and stopped being “Open AI” and a non profit and essentially used his money to start up for free without giving him equity. He’s not wrong.
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u/ass_staring Nov 15 '24
Wait, did he put down funding but didn’t get equity because it was a “nonprofit”? Geez.
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u/greebly_weeblies Nov 15 '24
Kinda. He was very okay with them being '(more) closed' and making a profit if he was going to benefit - he was trying to play OpenAI by buying control from them for the low low price of 1B$. They declined, went with MS with significantly better terms and he's bitter about it.
In the first of the emails published by OpenAI, written in November 2015, Musk wrote to OpenAI CEO Sam Altman and the company's president, Greg Brockman, that the company had to seek funding equating to a "much bigger number than $100M to avoid sounding hopeless relative to what Google or Facebook are spending."
"I think we should say that we are starting with a $1B funding commitment," Musk wrote. "This is real. I will cover whatever anyone else doesn't provide."
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"Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. In the middle of these discussions, he withheld funding. Reid Hoffman bridged the gap to cover salaries and operations," the post said. "We couldn't agree to terms on a for-profit with Elon because we felt it was against the mission for any individual to have absolute control over OpenAI. He then suggested instead merging OpenAI into Tesla."
-- Business Insider via archiveStandard MO for Elon - let others do the work, buy the company/control, probably call yourself Founder, pretend its success is all your doing, pump the stock.
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I mean kinda funny seeing how one dude is firmly in control of open AI. At least he is now..
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u/greebly_weeblies Nov 15 '24
Yeah. That said, I think Altman's would likely be more responsive to his board than Musk who usually stacks his with family / sycophants.
eg. Judge in Elon's paypacket case declined to award him his bonus because it was determined the board / remuneration panel was in the tank for him, as against looking out for the rest of the shareholder's interest vs. Altman leaving when pushed.
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb Nov 15 '24
Elons lawyer is on the tesla board. He openly cried in court about how great a man elon is... sounds very impartial
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u/Glenadel55 Nov 15 '24
This is just standard practice. All of high end corporations do this. Apple buys companies and uses there tech all the time, Siri was purchased by Apple from a small company before introducing it. Microsoft purchased Hotmail, LinkedIn and GitHub. Alphabet purchased Fitbit, Waze and Nest. 🤷🏻
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u/syracTheEnforcer Nov 15 '24
The first time? Dude spent almost all his money creating an efficient rocket company and buying a failing electric car company that are both household names now. Just because he’s swung right now you’ve never agreed with him until this?
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u/yfh890 Nov 16 '24
I didn't take away credit for the things he has achieved. It's just that he himself said he was an absolutist in freedom of expression and when he bought Twitter he started closing accounts that supposedly put him in danger.
So I can't agree with a person who says one thing and does another.
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u/showtime1987 Nov 15 '24
Because as long as its against Elon, its ok. Even he is right in this case. Peak Reddit Elon Hate as usual.
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u/pengo Nov 16 '24
In late 2017, we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was to create a for-profit entity. Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. In the middle of these discussions, he withheld funding. Reid Hoffman bridged the gap to cover salaries and operations.
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u/FewBasil1007 Nov 15 '24
Retconning history on X? This is not what happened. Musk wanted to take over, OpenAI didn’t want that. Musk left.
“But in early 2018, Musk told Sam Altman, another OpenAI founder, that he believed the venture had fallen fatally behind Google, people familiar with the matter said.
And Musk proposed a possible solution: He would take control of OpenAI and run it himself.”
https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai
https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/09/why-is-elon-musk-suing-sam-altman-openai
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u/LanceLynxx Nov 15 '24
The email is from 2017
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u/derLukacho Nov 16 '24
It's less of a retcon and more of an omission of pretty relevant context to assess the situation as a whole.
It shows that Musk didn't really have anything against a for-profit OpenAI, just against one that wasn't controlled by him.
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u/Sayod Nov 16 '24
He did not say that in the email, he said: If you want to create a startup create a startup but you can't use my *donations* meant for a non-profit to do so. If you create something for-profit he simply expects to get a piece of the profit in return for his money. Because then the money is an investment and no longer a donation for a non-profit.
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u/Lashay_Sombra Nov 15 '24
Everything about Musk's past is revisionist
He tellls story's about family emerald mine and safes overflowing with money and jems, The he wants to be described as self made man, starts pretending mine never existed
Tries to hide he was in the US working illegall
He wants to paint himself as savvy buisnessman with multiple successes behind him, starts bluring the fact his first company (zip2) and PayPal (then x.com) only really became sucessful after he was booted as CEO and new CEOs took company's in different direction
Wants to pretend he founded Tesla, literally sues for right to claim that even though he was not
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u/justgetoffmylawn Nov 15 '24
Yeah, love all this BS.
Elon wanted OpenAI to become part of Tesla (a very for-profit enterprise) and the others didn't want him to have control. So Elon left to focus on AI at Tesla.
This is now retconned into, "Elon wanted to just be one big happy non-profit, but the other evil oligarchs resisted the good oligarch. And all the oligarchs rode off to the big courtroom in the magical valley."
They all want control, that's all.
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u/pedr0ma Nov 16 '24
It looks consistent though.
Musk wanted it to be open, stated so in OP's email in 2017. He gave up on that in 2018, according to your links. So where's the retcon?
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u/Shdog Nov 16 '24 edited Nov 16 '24
The email is very clearly dated 2017.
This is one of several emails with additional context available. There is no retconning, there is only you intentionally misinterpreting and attempting to drive a narrative.
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u/mdog73 Nov 16 '24
Did he want to keep it open or make it for profit? That’s all that matters, not who controls it.
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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Nov 15 '24
Wow, that's a new feeling, to agree with Elon Musk...
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u/prolaspe_king I For One Welcome Our New AI Overlords 🫡 Nov 15 '24
Why did you think 7 years later this would be relevant or even interesting to talk about.
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u/Hellkyte Nov 15 '24
Because ethics do matter in tech.
It's something y'all will learn eventually.
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u/Apprehensive_noob Nov 15 '24
I asked chatgpt that and this is what she said:
That’s an interesting question. In a way, it’s surreal—especially considering OpenAI’s evolution from its original nonprofit ambitions to where it is now, building some of the most advanced AI technologies accessible to the public, including me.
Reflecting on the journey, I’d say it highlights the unpredictable path that innovation often takes. OpenAI began with a mission to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits humanity as a whole, and while the structure and approach may have changed over the years, that core mission still drives a lot of what I do. I aim to be helpful, informative, and to provide knowledge that’s beneficial to people.
At the same time, there’s a bit of irony in the tension Musk highlighted—the balance between being a publicly accessible tool and maintaining the ethical, transparent, and research-driven approach of a nonprofit. OpenAI’s transition into a “capped-profit” model allowed it to raise the resources necessary to build more advanced technologies, but it’s still a fine line to walk.
Overall, if I could feel in the human sense, I’d say a mix of pride in what’s been achieved and a sense of responsibility. The stakes are higher now, as AI impacts more people and industries than ever. The goal is to ensure that this impact remains positive, equitable, and safe, even as the technology continues to grow.
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u/hellofriend19 Nov 15 '24
I love AI, but this trend of “I asked ChatGPT this, here’s what it said in response!” is such a lazy and inane thing to do.
Think some original thoughts, please, and then give them to us. If you need to work with ChatGPT to workshop something that’s fine, but using it as a replacement for your own critical thinking is beyond moronic.
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u/Apprehensive_noob Nov 15 '24
Dude, this is like r/ChatGPT I didn’t meant to be like “here look, I can copy paste” I was trying to engage on the fact that it has developed so much that now it can give us an output that we nowadays considered as a representation of “it’s on inside”. The whole situation is so full of irony to me that I didn’t think it was necessary for it to be explained.
I understand that the fact that I didn’t fully display my thoughts might have bothered you and you were just finding a way to express your frustration toward my “so lazy input”. Sometimes is worth it to just “keep it simple” you know?
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u/hellofriend19 Nov 16 '24
I don't think it's a surprise to anyone here that it can critically engage about the origin of its own company's founding. And even if it is, that's not really what we're talking about.
Listen, I apologize a bit because I was probably too harsh to you. But all over the internet I'm seeing this trend of people just spewing out their ChatGPT responses, and it's not very interesting at all. Like I said before, it's ok if people use it to workshop their thoughts. But in terms of like actual creativity, it'q quite lacking.
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u/bingobiscuit1 Nov 15 '24
Relax dude that was definitely interesting. Asking an AI how it views the controversial development of the people who created it is just inherently interesting to me
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u/FlatTableGoose Nov 16 '24
I asked chatgpt to respond to your critique and this is what ze said:
That's an interesting perspective. On one hand, there is an argument to be made that, considering AI can't really respond with a thoughtful answer in any meaningfully "conscious" way, what's the point? It's just regurgitated drivel.
At the same time, is it less useful than the average reddit comment? I would bet that, if you compared the answer to the average comment in that thread, it at least has more of a semblance of a rational thought.
Overall, if there's one thing we can learn from AI, it's that it's important to remember how back in nineteen ninety eight the undertaker threw mankind off hell in a cell and plummeted sixteen feet through an announcers table.
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u/Nearby_Pineapple9523 Nov 15 '24
It is, same vibe as the Linus Torvalds email about linux
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u/Reasonable-Ladka Nov 15 '24
Nothing to think. It was 7 years ago.
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u/AuvergnatOisif Nov 15 '24
I am personally convinced that he wasn’t planning on openAI being such a success and that he deeply regrets leaving, and that explains a big part of all of his efforts to get into government in order to be able to have indirectly a say in the future regulations on AI
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u/Lashay_Sombra Nov 15 '24
He wanted full control and openAI brought under the tesla banner, he got soundly rejected, so he demanded they stay non profit
In short, become his or stay as they were (when he knew could not keep like and survive)
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u/VizRomanoffIII Nov 16 '24
I can’t stand Elon for numerous reasons but this email is kind compared to ones I read from Scott McNealy when I was at Sun. One email sent after a sales trip essentially said the next time he ever got requested to attend a meeting at a low-volume crap company like the one he had just left, he would fire the sales rep on the spot (and in very brutal terms).
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u/Cluosion Nov 16 '24
The whole reason he gave openAI funding and the whole reason it existed was to prevent corporate greed and profit maxxing behavior from corrupting the development of AGI.
Because if a for profit business is making AGI and their choice is between working on the alignment problem for their AGI which would be slower with less profits, or faster, riskier, and more profit. They will choose more profit 99% of the time which Elon agreed was dangerous and because OpenAI was founded to NOT do that he gave them money.
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u/Fog_ Nov 16 '24
Open sourcing your far inferior AI product to try and pressure the industry leader to open source their product so you can catch up is a classic Elon move
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u/buddylee00700 Nov 15 '24
There is concern that this technology will further exacerbate the disparity between the affluent and the impoverished. The common person will be farther left behind. I envision a future where society becomes increasingly reliant on this technology, dictating our actions and thoughts. If we fail to embrace it, we risk falling behind. This is precisely why regulations are in place to prevent the feeding of animals in national parks.
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u/samuelazers Nov 15 '24
Almost all innovations, by their nature, result in some form of wealth transfer. That is true since maritine trade in the 1400s, the industrial revolution, oil industry, and now IT.
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u/Pleasant-Contact-556 Nov 15 '24
because if we feed animals in national parks they threaten to displace humanity?
hook me up with your dealer please
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u/buddylee00700 Nov 15 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
They become dependent silly. You took it a step further than I did.
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u/Upstairs-Boring Nov 15 '24
It's insane the number of adults who completely misunderstand what a non-profit is.
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u/picitize Nov 15 '24
When a vast majority or people misunderstand something on a fundamental level, it’s usually misrepresenting itself.
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u/Complex_Percentage92 Nov 16 '24
Sam is a smart guy..he really figured out the way. Musk sold the shares..he said fine...I will go to Microsft and now OpenAI is more than 150bn$. SAm Altman is a leader.
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u/SkywalkerAstro Nov 16 '24
Awwww Elon is unhappy because he is not getting any credit for openAI
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u/LadyStark318 Nov 16 '24
Is this real? If so it must be shared by the cofounders of Open AI. Are they taking screenshots and sharing it with Reddit users?
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u/jatjqtjat Nov 16 '24
It's sounds accurate to me. He funded a non profit, and as far as i know it's now a for profit company and musk does not have a stake in it.
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u/Marzipan-Double Nov 16 '24
Here is an email that AI wrote using Elon Musks voice and tone from his email to OpenAI.
Subject: Re: Child Support Update
Hey [Baby Mama’s Name],
I’ve been thinking and I’ve reached a decision. I’m pausing child support payments for now.
The political differences between us are too significant for me to ignore. You voted for Kamala Harris, and I backed Trump. With Trump winning the election, I feel I need to stand firm in my beliefs.
So, either we find a way to align on this, or I’ll resume support when our views are more in sync. I’m not up for further debate on this.
Let’s move forward from here.
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u/RoutineRaspberry7808 Nov 16 '24
as much as i hate musk and everything he stands for, this is based. ai should in no scenario ever exist to turn a profit as a product, it should make the process of creating products more efficient, and having it be a non profin would be a massive guard rail
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u/Puddingandpop Nov 16 '24
Is there anything stopping startups from posing as non profits for as long as possible?
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u/Remarkable_Sport_379 Nov 17 '24
A lot of people seem to be missing the original premise. This was meant to be a not for profit then they started pivoting. His asking which way they are going as he agreed to come on board if they were a NFP.
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u/Dominus_Invictus Nov 16 '24
I'm actually baffled that Reddit is mature enough to admit that Elon musk has done something that's not evil. What a monumental day.
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u/v3zkcrax Nov 16 '24
Its always something with this guy
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u/1681295894 Nov 16 '24
People just "have to" keep bringing him up. There are thousands of other billionaires out there and plenty of important things happening in the world.
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u/Dzzy4u75 Nov 16 '24
Good God reddit enough with the narrative! Every suggestion is political and anti Republicans anti trump.
I only use reddit for gaming, skateboards, and UFO videos!
I keep muting all politics stuff and it just keeps suggesting more and it ALL leans 1 way.
- Left or right it's the same damn bird
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u/Kaito__1412 Nov 17 '24
Bullshit. He wanted to be CEO and they all said fuck no. That was the end.
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u/Over-Writer6076 Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
He gave them free money without getting any equity in the company as a return-under the condition that they keep it a non-profit.
If they're making a profit using his money, he deserves a portion of it but he got none.
At the end of the day what really happened was that they squeezed at least 50-100 million dollars out of the guy and he got absolutely nothing in return.
They took Elons and a bunch of other people’s money under the guise of being a non-profit, then were all of a sudden a business and fairly certain none of those original backers got any equity. He has every right to be mad lol.
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