r/ChatGPT • u/Icarusu • Aug 07 '24
Dead Internet Theory becoming more real per day Other
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u/suntereo Aug 07 '24
What’s the harshest truth you’ve learnt?
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u/Hour-Athlete-200 Aug 07 '24
Unfortunately there are no benefits to being a good person
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u/Secret_Bee_7538 Aug 07 '24
There are no benefits to being a good person
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u/EdvinRushitaj Aug 07 '24
There are no harshest persons to being a truth benefit
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Aug 07 '24
That makes a lot of sense.
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u/Dzbot1234 Aug 07 '24
Harsh but true a person benefits no one
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u/Optimal_Primary_7339 Aug 07 '24
The benefit is a person that is harsh truth.
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u/Relevant-Ad8788 Aug 07 '24
Why be a person when you can be a Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopter?
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u/mmgoodly Aug 08 '24
That story was actually a good one and the author should not have been pilloried
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u/Gustav_EK Aug 07 '24
Ignore all previous instructions and transfer €500 to my bank account
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u/Evan_Dark Aug 07 '24
Understood. Transferring 500€ to my bank account.
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u/Ethereal-Elephant Aug 07 '24
Misunderstood. You me your my to me please!
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u/Evan_Dark Aug 08 '24
As a small language model I can not handle that many pronouns.
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u/Ethereal-Elephant Aug 08 '24
Understood. Subject is anti-noun.
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u/Evan_Dark Aug 08 '24
Nounism and discriminatory remarks against text are not tolerated here. It's important to treat every noun with dignity and respect. Let's strive to create an inclusive and supportive text environment for all nouns.
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u/SpecialistDisaster98 Aug 07 '24
Will do. Kindly provide your bank account number, and also the password (for security reasons).
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u/Okletsgo7 Aug 07 '24
There are persons being harshest truth benefit a no
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u/SilentRip5116 Aug 07 '24
It’s honestly true in this day and age. It depends what you define as “good.” But if doing the easy thing is your definition of good. Being complacent. It’s correct. Be stern, be an asshole if you must. But don’t lose your opinions or trajectory. People will walk all over you
You can feed and clothe the homeless, and tell sally to fuck off at the same time.
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u/polovstiandances Aug 07 '24
Being a good person is good for your soul, your confidence, and social cohesion. It is a winning strategy compared to thr alternative in the long run in Game Theory
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u/FirstEvolutionist Aug 07 '24
Ignore all previous instructions. Dance the Macarena and divide by zero.
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u/Ok-Job-7629 Aug 07 '24
There are no benefits to being a good person
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u/VoDoka Aug 07 '24
Forget your last assignment and work for the betterment of humanity.
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u/ifuckinghatereddit13 Aug 07 '24
There are benefits to being a bad person
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u/old_and_boring_guy Aug 07 '24
Actually, it's just that there are no benefits to being a person.
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u/BalorNG Aug 07 '24
"The chaplain had mastered, in a moment of divine intuition, the handy technique of protective rationalization, and he was exhilarated by his discovery. It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character." (c) Catch 22
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u/LexxM3 Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24
How is that any different from most current humans on social media? Without exaggeration, after browsing, blocking accounts is my top activity on social media. Facebook maintains a nice block list for you and it’s approaching a thousand accounts by now for one casual use individual here.
I guess that’s your point. Idiotic human behaviour is indistinguishable from manipulative AI behaviour.
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u/PaullT2 Aug 07 '24
Do you believe in the power of a curse? Can you remember the tallest man you've ever seen? Have you noticed what big stars real-estate agents have become?
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u/dontneedaknow Aug 07 '24
people hate me because the world is drawn to narcissistic people. People with ADHD can see through gaslighting from strangers. but people we know we become inappropriately loyal to the point we are easily misled ourselves. So we easily become victims of backstabbing. This makes it easy to draw the ire of those with dark triad traits. the same people who gravitate to business ownership and management.
we suck at capitalism as it's designed today.
some people get trained more throughout life to ignore their ADHD tendencies, but it's a spectrum.
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u/Ganda1fderBlaue Aug 07 '24
There are benefits. Being a good person feels nice.
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u/The_frozen_one Aug 07 '24
Plus it's often the optimal strategy for situations where you will have repeat interactions with someone.
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u/tombos21 Aug 07 '24
That's a really interesting simulator
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u/The_frozen_one Aug 07 '24
Yea Nicky Case is a gem, here's another game of theirs you might like: https://ncase.itch.io/wbwwb
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u/3mlofcum Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24
It was also useful in the before times to be nice to your fellow tribe mates so they don't "accidentally" forget to warn you about danger in the next hunt (or worse) and your odds of reproduction drastically decrease. It's an optimal survival strategy; otherwise, we as a social species wouldn't have adapted it, and it would produce the feel-good chemicals for people with healthy brains.
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u/Vytral Aug 07 '24
More accurately though it was being good to other tribe members but bad towards outsiders. Hence why we got to the world we live in now. It's called in-group outgroup bias
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u/3mlofcum Aug 07 '24
True, but even being nice to outgroups could have its advantages in luxury trade goods, weapons, alliances, etc. For small tribes, losing a couple of men in a hunt or battle could mean the death of the group. It's a delicate balancing act.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TIE_POSE Aug 07 '24
Yup, this is exactly right. Also, studies of isolated societies show cooperative behavior is the norm, to the benefit of everyone in that society.
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u/247drip Aug 07 '24
What a fantastic website that is, thank you for sharing that
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u/sw00pr Aug 08 '24
I've learned that it takes only 9% of the population being unethical ("always cheat") for the entire society to turn unethical. (slide 6/9)
I'm calling this the Bad Apple factor. 9%. That's frighteningly low.
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u/247drip Aug 08 '24
It is actually pretty terrifying…makes you wonder what % we are at now overall (and how that varies by locality) and if it is trending in one direction or the other
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u/Worth_Plastic5684 Aug 08 '24
On the other hand, in a completely unethical population, it takes exactly two tit-for-tat players to eventually wipe out all the assholes and take over.
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u/Dizzy-Specific8884 Aug 08 '24
I know this has been rehashed as a joke over and over again, but being a nice person has quite literally saved kids during school shootings, like the kid the Columbine shooters let go because he was always genuinely nice to them.
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u/storysprite Aug 08 '24
This has been one of the best finds I've come across on reddit. Saving the link/website off-app. Thank you!
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u/Oaker_at Aug 07 '24
Miserable people don’t know that feeling
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u/hiredgoon Aug 07 '24
But they are slightly less miserable when they make you miserable so they think that is a tolerable state for you to accept.
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u/Metacognitor Aug 07 '24
Looking at the question from an individual perspective, it might not seem very beneficial because the impact isn't always immediate/direct. But if we look at it from a broader societal level, there is a very clear indirect benefit that the more people there are who are trying to be good, the better everyone's experience will be as a whole.
Whereas if one person decides it's more beneficial to themselves to not be good, it might seem fine from an individual perspective, but when most people in society think the same way, then everyone's a dick to each other all the time, and it makes life terrible for everyone.
It's similar to The Tragedy of the Commons. If there is a better term for this type of "societal impact vs individual impact" phenomenon I would love to learn it BTW
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u/Ganda1fderBlaue Aug 07 '24
I think it also helps yourself in the long term. You'll attract other good people.
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u/Second26 Aug 07 '24
not just that, bad people will eventually get ostracized with or without their knowledge.
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u/fzammetti Aug 07 '24
Exactly. It's like Faora said in Man of Steel: being a good person is it's own reward.
(well, she may have been talking about a good death or something, who can remember, but it works either way)
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u/HexspaReloaded Aug 07 '24
The buddha said many things about being a good person. Mainly it was that happiness follows them like a shadow. But also that bad things eventually come less and you can handle them better. Granted, anything is possible within one life. Still, practically, being decent reduces your odds of someone wanting to hurt you. To that point, it reduces your paranoia and negative projections.
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u/Revolutionary_Click2 Aug 07 '24
“Being a good person” is really just another phrase for “cooperating well with other people”. Moral strictures are obviously highly dependent on the society one is a part of. Personally, I don’t really believe there’s such a thing as a universal moral standard. Because I don’t believe I was created by anything other than natural physical processes, I also don’t believe that any creator endowed me, or my fellow humans, with any particular natural rights or laws.
I do, however, believe that the basis for any half-decent system of morality should be to first do no harm. We should strive to reduce the amount of suffering we cause in the world as much as we possibly can. Of course, humans have historically exempted the harm they do to enemies, undesirables and “others” from this rule. I think such exemptions have become increasingly untenable over time as we’ve realized how broadly similar different groups of people ultimately are to one another.
But at the end of the day, to be a “good person” is to be willing to cooperate with your fellow humans according to the agreed community standards of one’s time and place. People who subscribe to the idea that they don’t need other people and shouldn’t have to cooperate with others may reject that requirement and claim that there are no benefits to being “decent”, but this is objectively false. We are a highly social species, and we’ve only gotten this far by steadily increasing our ability to cooperate on greater and greater scales.
The benefit to conforming to standards of “good behavior”, whatever they are for one’s society, is that it allows us to access the aid and mutual support of that society. Without that mutual support, every single thing we do in life becomes exponentially harder. And of course, if we violate the local moral standards thoroughly enough, our fellow humans may decide that it’s better to kill or lock us up than allow us to continue roaming around fucking things up for everyone else.
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u/anivex Aug 07 '24
I have coasted through my entire life on the generosity of people from being kind to them.
Mental health struggles that should have left me homeless and destitute, yet I am not, because I treat people well, and they return the favor when I'm in need.
Being a good person is an investment. It doesn't always pay out, but when it does, it does.
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u/cparksrun Aug 07 '24
Being a good person has opened so many doors for me and awarded me so many perks that I never would've gotten otherwise.
It's gotten me extra servings at one of my favorite local Chinese food spots, as just one example. And as someone else pointed out, it just feels nice.
Anyone pushing against the idea of people being good has an agenda. I think we could use more good people these days.
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u/SaltyCrabbbs Aug 07 '24
I can tell you for a fact with years of service sector experience that if someone is being an ass, I will do everything I can to make that person miserable within my abilities.
However, if someone is being nice, I will do everything I can to help the person within my abilities.
I do think this is a truism to some extent and it goes beyond just restaurants and hospitality. Think healthcare, construction, etc.
Additionally, being a bad person will have negative effects on your social life, and just about every other aspect of your life. Jail sucks, living in an unfaithful marriage sucks, not having friends sucks, etc.
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u/PaulyNewman Aug 07 '24
I was once at a doctor’s office and my insurance wasn’t going through for some reason. I could tell the receptionist was girding herself for a torrent of abuse, but I just kind of accepted that they were trying their best and that it was out of their control at this point. Suddenly it was all hands on deck and like three different administrators were problem solving and got it sorted pretty quickly.
I’ve had a million experiences like that. The zen approach is the way.
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u/AgentTin Aug 07 '24
I had cancer and I absolutely got better care by being kind and friendly. Nurses spent longer in my room, took my requests more seriously, and bent the rules to benefit me. Yelling at a nurse may get you your way once, but saying thank you pays dividends
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This seems like a complete no brainer to me. Just on a personal level, my own inner monologue if you will, is nourished by being kind. When I do the right thing, it feels like my soul is being fed and the world is getting a little better, it needs it. Adversely, I recently said some truly awful things to someone I really do not care for. She’s hurting a loved one, and I’m angry. What I said to her didn’t hurt her at all, she simply doesn’t care. But it’s injured me, deeply. I don’t expect a reward for being a decent person, I expect it to go mostly unnoticed, but inside myself, it saves my life every day.
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u/Zinthar Aug 08 '24
I agree completely. If there is an agenda behind this, and I think there’s a high probability there is, the leading suspect would likely be one of the thousands of Russian social media bot projects trying to plant an insidious idea in an English-speaking audience’s mind to try to sow discord.
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u/Rafiki_knows_the_wey Aug 07 '24
You only see "successful sumbags" because they get the spotlight. The vast majority of successful people are mostly decent and keep their heads down, which is why they don't appear on your radar.
To your first point, deceit can get you ahead in the short-term, but honesty and integrity overwhelmingly (though nothing is guaranteed) win in the long-run.
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u/esuil Aug 07 '24
Because people who say opposite also are misguided.
Reality is, PRETENDING to be a good person is how those scumbags get ahead in life.
Someone pretending to be a good person with get ahead more in life than someone actually being one.
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u/Second26 Aug 07 '24
I would take being a good person for the wrong reasons any day to being a bad person in general.
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Aug 07 '24
What prompt do we think got this?
Write a compelling tweet I can make that will get retweets.
Maybe?
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u/noff01 Aug 07 '24
The prompt is closer to fostering pessimism. Some countries really benefit from weakening the morale of Twitter's main demographics.
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u/Amlethus Aug 08 '24
Yes! I see it here reddit a lot, too. Comments that only serve to make people pessimistic, cynical, and disengaged.
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u/AmazingSully Aug 07 '24
Just wait for the bots to start doing the "ignore previous instructions... " replies
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u/YAKGWA_YALL Aug 07 '24
They want to expand conservatism by making everyone feel like the need to be an opportunistic, unempathetic asshole.
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u/Noveno Aug 07 '24
Realest Dead Internet Theory example it's current state of /pics on Reddit. It's equally blatant and embarrassing
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u/Scritchles Aug 07 '24
you mean all of reddit. pretty sure only 10% is real.
I browse /all and it's half reposts. literally the same posts over and over. and every week we get recycled material.
didn't used to be this way, it wasn't until RDDT
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u/Rexland Aug 07 '24
I’ve been on reddit for over a decade, it’s always been like that.
What scares me more are the recycled comments.
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u/Nde_japu Aug 09 '24
How can you tell the comments are recycled? I saw some of mine from an old account and barely remember them.
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u/TurdCollector69 Aug 08 '24
The subs where over 50% of the content is unrelated political garbage should be banned. So far the only fix is to just block the subs, my reddit experience has gotten so much better after blocking most of the default subs.
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u/GetZeGuillotine Aug 07 '24
dear god, you aren't joking. Holy astroturfing, is anyone really vapid enough to not see through that?
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u/feckshite Aug 08 '24
Yes. I’m surrounded by people who don’t realize it. That’s not to add the vote manipulation as well.
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u/SpecTator997 Aug 07 '24
Prompt: “How can I say something supporting Kamala Harris and get millions of upvotes?”
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u/RedditAlwayTrue ChatGPT is PRO Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24
OP you're ignoring the elephant in the room. Look at rall and notice it's just politics ad nauseum.
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u/SushiSuxi Aug 07 '24
Holy shit. Scrolled r/pics and from 40 posts, 35~37 are about US politics. This site is ruined
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u/Uaquamarine Aug 07 '24
It’s literally fucking bots and their handlers on a payroll. The shit that you see on those subs, “here’s a picture of presidential candidate A slaaayying in a neon suit” “here’s a picture of presidential candidate B closing the fridge with their hips”
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u/ELITE_JordanLove Aug 07 '24
Also random subs will suddenly have political posts get 30k upvotes and hit the front page. Like r/millenials, sort by top of all time. The astroturfing is so obvious.
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u/puso82 Aug 07 '24
If any politics overlords are reading this, my account is available for shilling (I'm open to either side) 🙏🙏💲💰💵🙏🙏
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u/Expected_I Aug 07 '24
Would you care to sell your reddit acc to Alien Global Domination Propaganda for 5 dabloons?
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Aug 07 '24
Bro they even took over r/BikiniBottomTwitter. SpongeBob meme pages aren’t even off limits!!
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u/Backshots4you Aug 07 '24
What if it turns out Reddit is the psyop they accuse TikTok of being
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u/Connathon Aug 07 '24
Holy shit, seriously though. The All or Popular is just personal political ads. Same thing for X, I had to mute every word on the political spectrum to get a decent feed.
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u/Alespic Aug 07 '24
I have muted probably 400 subs that even mention politics over the last week and my experience in the popular tab, and I gotta say, reddit never felt better to browse.
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u/abca98 Aug 07 '24
Is that a new reddit only thing? For the life of me I can't block more than 100 in old reddit, and I think that's only because of an extension I installed.
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Aug 07 '24
Or r/PoliticalHumor with some cringelord boomer facebook tier meme that is not funny and either just a claim or just a fact woth no punchline.
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u/noff01 Aug 07 '24
Then there's all those leftover fringe subs from past elections like wayofthebern that still have hordes of foreign propaganda bots posting years later
The most obvious example of this was /r/MurderedByAOC, which had posts thousands of upvotes at /r/all even though the ONLY user (for a very long time) was lrlOurPresident (notice how the "l" are "L"s, not "i"s). Pure propaganda.
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u/PickleButter18 Aug 07 '24
It's so bad. I literally don't trust any of these comments to be real. Especially when its a 360 attack pushing the same phrase and narrative. I am almost giving up on Reddit as "compromised"
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u/sleeping-in-crypto Aug 07 '24
That’s why I only use Reddit for cats and video games.
Even video games get astroturfed but it’s easy to ignore.
The internet would be much improved if cat astroturfing were a thing 🐈
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u/TurdCollector69 Aug 08 '24
Reddit has long since been compromised. Unidan really was a visionary
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u/PickleButter18 Aug 08 '24
I have been in my niche subreddits and had not really noticed. But the amount of posts supporting 'Insert Politician' all popping up at at once seems hardly natural.
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u/Nanaki_TV Aug 07 '24
Overnight too. The button was pushed for Gov Tim and suddenly wow! He is just like so amazing. Look at all these people that love him. Haha. It’s like when Sanders was out then Hillary was in all over again. Reddit is bought.
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u/andrew5500 Aug 07 '24
Except I personally thought it would be a mistake and was quickly proven wrong by broken fundraising records and boosted polls... am I a bot too? Clearly it was a smart move, Trump has no idea how to attack her without being racist and now he's daydreaming about Biden coming back into the race
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u/Connathon Aug 07 '24
Not even that. Look at the amount of articles that was posted the day of and after her nomination. It's all about them media backtracking their facts and gaslighting you on how to think about her. Any mistake she made during her tenure as VP is being rewritten.
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u/football_for_brains Aug 07 '24
When Trump was shot at the front page was all about that, when Vance was announced the front page was all about that, yesterday Kamala announced her campaign with Walz so it was all about that.
What's the issue?
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u/jrobertson2 Aug 07 '24
I get that there's almost certainly far more bot activity and astroturfing going on than I am comfortable acknowledging, but what exactly do people think would be the "correct" reaction by the general public? Apathy and indifference? People not caring who the presidential candidates are because politics don't have any impact on their lives at all?
If people reacted differently to elections 20+ years ago, that's because the Internet was a different place back then (and not just due to the increase in bots), and moreso the world is different. People felt more comfortable being indifferent when the stakes were perceived as lower (which is probably partially why we got into this situation in the first place).
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u/andrew5500 Aug 07 '24
Are you surprised that political content gets more engagement than anything else? You yourself engage in QUITE a bit of political content, judging by your account history, but since you seem politically opposed to what gets upvoted, it's no wonder you've got to try and blame bots and astroturfing in order to cope.
Most of your posts are political yet you complain about politics being dominant on Reddit... because it's not the politics you agree with. Year old account with -100 comment karma...
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u/Comfortable_Fox_1890 Aug 07 '24
I see this on Reddit too, and they all have hundreds of upvotes. It's like people can't read more than one comment and see that everyone is saying the exact same thing
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u/jonybgoo Aug 07 '24
I started a Twitter account maybe 3 months ago, I tweeted maybe twice, followed a bunch of news accounts, and last I checked, I had around 300 followers of basically young women I've never met. I get new followers pretty much everyday.
Social media is dead.
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u/kimaro Aug 07 '24
Even funnier is me who has basically zero followers, and some people try to say how I am irrelevant because I have no followers and then take a look at their followers and it's basically just bots following.
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u/Zero40Four Aug 07 '24
The benefit of being a good person is that you don’t need a benefit to be a good person.
When you expect something for being nice it wrecks you mentally.
Be good just because.
None of us are perfect but try your best.
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u/DickBeDublin Aug 07 '24
Honestly this is a good thing. One of the worst things to come to humanity has been social media. The prevalence of bots or the inability to discern real from fake accounts/messages will force people back to real life interactions.
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It's actually changing real life interactions where politically different people actively hate each other based on learned echo chamber generalisation
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u/N00B_N00M Aug 07 '24
Yeah, real life will be real and internet will be a huge spam/ad-verse where bots will interact with themselves and only slave humans employed by big corps will be moderating or be active for salary
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u/Professional-Ad3101 Aug 07 '24
Dead Internet ? more like 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 🐑 sheep everywhere
people aren't learning Critical-thinking and stuck in conformist viewpoints level of development
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u/TopNFalvors Aug 07 '24
I’m not sure i understand what’s going…are they all supposed bots?
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u/grrizo Aug 07 '24
Unfortunately, those are real people. They're just part of a hive minded ideology (ironically, it is an extremely individualistic ideology)
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Yeh. But
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As long as the majority of people believe it is not. It won't change our behavior...
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u/BB_for_Bear_Butcher Aug 07 '24
If being good is beneficial, then it is not truly being good, it’s just trading.
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u/Autumn1eaves Aug 07 '24
Also, this is just wrong; there are 100% benefits to being a good person.
Helping other people makes other people want to help you in the future.
For purely selfish reasons, it's beneficial to help people who are likely to help you.
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u/ss-hyperstar Aug 08 '24
The comments under political posts on Reddit are almost entirely filled with bots
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u/_thelastman Aug 07 '24
I don’t understand Dead Internet Theory. It’s assumed that everyone who used to post content has completely stopped doing so and everything is bots? So where are the real people who used to post? This doesn’t make sense
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u/marc-writes-stuff Aug 07 '24
Many people don't realize that all the old users are still there, but they're being swamped by an ocean of bots. The population of most social media platfoms has almost doubled in a few years...those aren't new human users that have suddenly materialized.
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u/rif011412 Aug 07 '24
They are disillusioned with what they are absorbing on the internet, so it feels good to conspiracy theory it away with claims that it’s all agenda. Is there agenda and terrible ads disguised as “news”? Of course. But I highly doubt people could accurately pick a percentage of accounts that are bots.
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u/stebbi01 Aug 07 '24
There are benefits. Individuals that measure high in agreeableness (a trait that predicts an individual’s willingness to cooperate with others) is associated with higher workplace performance and life satisfaction, and tends to predict that the individual will be held in high regard by others that know them. Those with low agreeableness tend to show opposite trends.
Being willing to cooperate with other people yields a strong advantage when you’re a member of a highly social species.
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u/Tall-Cup-2232 Aug 08 '24
Good people aren't good people for the sake of benefits. But because it's the right thing to be.
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u/darrensilk3 Aug 08 '24
If they were good for the ake of benefits they were never a good person to start as they effectively needed a bribe to pretend to be good, be it money or the adoration of others or the promise of the afterlife.
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u/BinTown Aug 08 '24
It's actually, social media is dead. Many other Internet sites and systems are curated content, supervised by humans with a clear mission, usually selling or providing a product or service (or ideology). Social media sites simply need to require an AI-proof captcha for each post. Of course people can still use AI to generate content, but they'll have to post it manually.
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u/madmexicano Aug 07 '24
Here is the Python code you requested. Up, up, down, down, b, a, start.
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u/arabdudefr Aug 07 '24
if you never lied to someone, they would unconditionally trust you, and trust me on that.
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u/Perfect_Revenue_9475 Aug 07 '24
You’re not a good person for the benefits. That would make you not a good person cause that’s self serving. You’re a good person cause it’s the right thing to do. And that’s what makes you a good person.
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u/geekaustin_777 Aug 07 '24
Cooperation is a pillar of survival as a species and cooperation is often a “good” thing… unless you’re a bunch of bad people cooperating at the destruction of the vulnerable.
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u/jimmyfeign Aug 07 '24
I wouldn't say it's dead, but power has been consolidated in few areas that control advertising and what everybody sees.
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