r/CapitolConsequences • u/eganvay • Dec 13 '22
Tampa jury finds ex-Special Forces soldier with Jan. 6 ties guilty on 6 charges CONVICTION
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u/Chip_Budget Dec 13 '22
Good. Now pursue UCMJ charges against him.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Dec 13 '22
Fuck him
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Dec 13 '22
I 2nd the motion, and will add piss on him too.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Dec 13 '22
He might enjoy that- and no kink shaming here!
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Dec 13 '22
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Dec 13 '22
Dude that is a call for violence
We have had this talk before.
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Dec 14 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
Futerman also asserted that for Brown to be guilty of possessing classified material related to national defense, there would have to be proof that he had a “bad purpose” for the material.
I'm about 90% sure this is bullshit. I can't find what Brown was specifically charged with but 18 USC SS. 1924 makes it clear that all you have to do to be guilty of possessing classified information illegally is that you knowingly remove documents without authority and with the intent to retain such documents at an unauthorized location. There's no "bad purpose" required. If you knowingly took information that was classified without authorization and retained such documents, you're guilty.
Edit: it was 18 USC SS 793(e). Still no carve out for someone's good intentions.
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u/Hedgehogz_Mom Dec 14 '22
If the oughts were all about the insanity plea, the 2020s are all about the they meant well defense. Fuck me runnin
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u/carcadoodledo Dec 13 '22
Shame if he loses his military benefits
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u/GogglesPisano Dec 13 '22
They should slap this disgusting traitor with a dishonorable discharge and strip him of any military pension or benefits he might have had.
It sickens me to think even one dime of our taxes might go into the pocket of a vile terrorist like this asshole.
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u/Chip_Budget Dec 13 '22
He will while he’s in jail after 30/60 days. After he’s released he can appeal to have them reinstated, but those are looked at in a case by case basis.
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Dec 14 '22
Now let's see if they're recalled to duty to stand trial under UCMJ. Once the government trains you to be an elite soldier and fighter, if you use that against the country, they really should put the might of the regulations against them.
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u/Ontario0000 Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 14 '22
Sooo decade in prison?..
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u/PuritySpiralsBad Dec 13 '22
To be fair, that’s a knowingly recorded jail call between the girlfriend and shitbag, not a custodial interrogation. (Like seriously, all those calls tell you at the beginning “this is being recorded”, and shitbag still said he could/would lie on the stand)
But yes, right to remain silent is one of the most crucial rights.
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
“ That silence is a confession,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel Marcet.
You missed a word that adds a lot of context to the statement. The defendant also wasnt claiming fifth amendment privileges when they were silent
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
Idk how to explain this succinctly but the fifth applies to self incrimination during a criminal trial
“Did you know that running the stop light was a crime when you did it”
IIRC Its to prevent an answer from incriminating someone despite how its answered
This is different, its evidence to support the fact that it was known to the defendant due to the inference that a person would probably be shocked at the news of a grenade being found if it wasn’t actually theirs
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
How can you incriminate yourself in something other than a criminal trial?
Side note, in civil trials a jury is allowed to draw an adverse inference from a defendant pleading the fifth. Another reason why im highlighting criminal court
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u/redoctoberz Dec 13 '22 edited Dec 13 '22
How can you incriminate yourself in something other than a criminal trial?
Any discussion with a law enforcement officer. Never assist them with their investigations on you.
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
Idk if thats supposed to be witty or something but it doesn’t make sense. I guess if you tell an LEO you committed a crime they could arrest you, the DA would still have to form a case and bring charges though unless your were sufficiently detailed in your admission and it was all document and recorded
Is that what you’re saying?
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u/redoctoberz Dec 13 '22
Yes.
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
So in a discussion about intentionally not speaking so as to not incriminate yourself, you’re saying that if you walk up to a LEO and incriminate yourself, you’ll be incriminated?
We know water is wet but thank you for the input
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u/Vast-Combination4046 Dec 13 '22
Doesn't matter. I have the right to be silent without it being considered a yes or a no.
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Dec 13 '22
The jury has every right to interpret this moron’s silence as knowing he had grenades at home. This has zero to do with the fifth amendment
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u/bga93 Dec 13 '22
sure you do, you also have the right to breath air on any day that ends in Y.
Not sure what that has to do with this though cuz the person in question wasn’t in a circumstance where their fifth amendment rights were in jeopardy
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u/ButterPotatoHead Dec 13 '22
Well the context was, they replayed a phone call that he had with his girlfriend where she mentioned the grenades that were taken out of his house, and he did not say anything.
If investigators took grenades out of your house that you didn't know anything about, you would say something like, "what? grenades?".
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Dec 14 '22
Fuck that piece of shit and his lawyer. The lawyer saying the weapons and documents were planted by feds is a fucking joke.
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u/OrganicRedditor Dec 13 '22
From the article - "After a weeklong trial, a jury of six men and six women deliberated about five hours Monday afternoon before deciding that Brown was guilty of illegally possessing two guns, a pair of hand grenades and a single classified document related to the search for a formerly missing soldier in Afghanistan."