r/CapitolConsequences • u/Snoo_40410 • Dec 17 '21
Capitol Rioter Who Threw Fire Extinguisher Gets 5+ Years in Prison Sentenced
https://www.businessinsider.com/capitol-rioter-fire-extinguisher-police-prison-sentence-january-6-2021-12325
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u/XHIBAD Dec 17 '21
This is what I’m here for. Not the 90 days suspended sentence bullshit
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u/64557175 Dec 17 '21
This should be the minimum.
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u/trumpsiranwar Dec 18 '21
As the cases get more serious the time will too.
They have to clear out the easy 90 day ones first. Now they are getting to the violent ones, the the planners.
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u/mrubuto22 Dec 17 '21
the smaller easier cases generally go first. we will start to see larger and larger sentences as we go forward.
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Dec 17 '21
I want to believe you are you some kind of expert?
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u/Ahleron Dec 18 '21
My spouse is a department chair that has created graduate education programs in criminal justice studies and they've published a lot of research, including a text, on the criminal justice system. According to her, the lighter, easier ones generally go first.
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u/eatingganesha Dec 17 '21
Nah it’s just common sense, no expertise needed. With sprawling cases like this, they go after the small fish first to get them to plea and inform on others, and investigators then work their way up the food chain to the bid fish - the leadership, the organizers, etc. We are definitely going to see more punitive sentences like this one in the near future.
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u/robotsonroids Dec 18 '21
Yeah, the feds seem to be dealing with this in a RICO fashion. Basically they are treating this like organized crime. The get plea deals for the low guys, so they can take down the big fish. The feds also work at the speed of molasses. The speed of the judicial system allows the feds to allow who they are actually targeting to make mistakes
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u/easy_Money Dec 18 '21
Should be noted that the feds also work slow because they want an airtight prosecution. They have the ability to look into everything, and they do
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u/robotsonroids Dec 19 '21
Yeah, federal prosecutors have a ridiculous high rate of winning in court.
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u/shortarmed Dec 18 '21
If you've been watching these cases go through, this is exactly how it has been unfolding. The sentences are getting consistently longer and the cases with the most serious charges haven't even hit the courtrooms yet.
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u/RickDawkins Dec 18 '21
The lesser the charges, the less time they need to give the prosecution and the defense to build their cases.
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u/NotsoGreatsword Dec 18 '21
If you have any experience with the legal system you will see things are generally done this way in the US. Whether you're a victim prosecuting a perpetrator or the defendant you will usually have it explained to you why your case is coming up quickly or why the trial is likely years away.
So many people will have this basic thing explained to them by an actual expert despite not being one themselves.
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u/fleeingfox Dec 18 '21
Prosecutors cast doubt on Palmer's level of remorse. After admitting guilt, they said, Palmer posted online that his actions were purely defensive and that he had been reacting to being tear-gassed. Still, prosecutors said Palmer had pleaded guilty relatively early.
An earlier guilty plea seems to be a mitigating factor in the minds of the prosecutors.
Presumably the time for an early guilty plea has passed, and we will see more people getting longer sentences.
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u/HDr1018 Dec 18 '21
We absolutely will.
Wait until we get to those that came prepared, in dress and in accoutrements. If we’re seeing five years for those that made weapons out of what they had at hand, the should be more severe for those that were tactically prepared.
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u/wunderwerks Dec 17 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
I hope you are correct. I'm not holding my breath though.
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u/DaPamtsMD Dec 18 '21
I’m glad to see a real sentence handed down too, and I firmly believe these people are assholes — but assholes who willingly chose to be actively involved in InsurrectionCon. But I’d really like to see the assholes with power (Donny Two Asterisks, Donny Jr & that horse faced ex-Fox News tramp, Ivanka, Jared, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Rudy Giuliani… I could go on, but we all know their names) pay for their roles in this bullshit.
And for way more than five year-sentences.
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u/rblue Dec 17 '21
Bet this fuck has the audacity to fly the thin blue bootlicker flag on his shitty truck when he gets out.
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u/madbear84 Dec 17 '21
He will, because it was never really about police lives.
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u/jimbo831 Dec 17 '21
That flag to them just means:
Black Lives Don’t Matter
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u/Codeandcoffee Dec 17 '21
Bake him away toys.
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u/Five_Decades Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
I'm in prison for a crime I didn't even commit. an attempted coup. do they give Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?
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u/LtNOWIS Dec 17 '21
Press release just got tweeted out. He's getting 63 months in prison, 3 years supervised release after that, and has to pay $2,000 in restitution.
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u/LornAltElthMer Dec 18 '21
Is there a difference between "supervised release" and "probation"?
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u/throwawaysmetoo Dec 18 '21
Supervised release is essentially federal parole. Probation is in lieu of time.
I'm not sure how much they differ in how they actually function.
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u/dirtin_and_squirtin Dec 19 '21
It's sad this is what we accept as a consequence of participation in an attempted coup. He should never breathe a free breath again. I also have opinions on how long said breathing should be permitted to continue.
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u/OrigamiPisces Dec 17 '21
I'd like to take this time to shout out the good people at Life After Hate. Check them out, visit their website (life after hate dot org), write it on a post-it note and leave it in public. I hope that someone from there contacts this guy while he's in prison.
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u/satansheat Dec 17 '21
Nah I hope dude becomes a repeat offender and never gets to vote again.
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u/OrigamiPisces Jan 08 '22
I don't think you sincerely want him to be a repeat offender, because that would mean that he did something horrible, and in the end, you really don't wish for more horrible things to happen.
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u/SaltMineSpelunker Dec 17 '21
I know this is the high road but it is wasted on this trash. Hope he suffers in gen pop.
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u/ACoN_alternate Dec 17 '21
From what I've heard, the white supremacy gangs in prison think the Jan 6 crowd is a bunch of losers too.
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Dec 17 '21 edited Dec 17 '21
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u/TripleSkeet Dec 17 '21
Supposedly they dont welcome these guys. The one dude from the Proud Boys said they werent popular.
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u/dirtin_and_squirtin Dec 19 '21
Expression of my "hopes" regarding this piece of trash are prohibited by rules 1 & 2.
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u/gruey Dec 17 '21
In general, the violent far left tend to target the violent far right and the violent far right tends to target large percentages of society. There's also very much a quantity disparity, with the left being extremely fringe and the right consisting of a large enough population that politicians target them for reelection.
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u/JoshS1 Dec 17 '21 edited Dec 17 '21
Far right likes to use vehicles to drive through groups of people, bomb health clinics, assassinate doctors, bomb federal buildings killing children in the process, and I guess it goes without mentioning they like to storm our Capitol to overthrow a democratic process.
Attacks from the far right are violent towards people, they don't value the lives of those they target to being equal to their own. This can be reflected in the total death toll of right wing attacks. They are also more likely to organize into armed militia.
Left likes to, set fire to police
stations(sorry, that was also far right) equipment, set fire to ski resorts in the off season, sabotage mining equipment, vandalize/burn retail/office space in financial centers of cities, and use generally nonviolent disruption (think marching to close major streets or highways, and sit-ins).Attacks from the far left generally are not targeting people but symbolic institutions or logistics supporting those institutions. While some do result in the loss of human life they are less likely to target human life.
Disclaimer: this is purely my opinion of events I'm aware of and their motivations.
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u/satansheat Dec 17 '21
Lol y’all are still whining about that police station. FBI arrested the police station fire guy. Guess what he was right wing and a white nationalist.
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u/JoshS1 Dec 17 '21
Oh wow, hadn't even heard that. There were still plenty of other vehicles that were subject to vandalism and arson.
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u/BornBitterYesterday Dec 17 '21
Name five far left mass murderers in the US from the last 10 years. I can name dozens of them on the far right unfortunately.
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u/FoofieLeGoogoo Dec 17 '21
This is an example of 'whataboutism.' It also doesn't say anything specific about former Nazis, Homophobes, or people that refused to pay their library late-fees.
Just because the organization isn't all-inclusive it doesn't make it any less worthwhile.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Dec 18 '21
i am not sure what you are trying to say but your comment has been removed.
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Dec 17 '21
Orange will look better on him anyways than that tacky outfit.
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u/sev45day Dec 17 '21 edited Dec 17 '21
It's a shame what these people have done to the perception of the flag. Anytime I see an American flag anywhere now I just assume that person is an idiot Trumper.
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Dec 17 '21
I know. They think it belongs to them. For people who sure seem to love the flag, they sure seem to desecrate it with outfits like these or putting Trump on it and It sucks :(
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u/eganvay Dec 18 '21
that and the word patriot....
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u/PaxEtRomana Dec 18 '21
That one was ruined at least as far back as dubya. Granted it basically means the same as "nationalist" so there wasn't that much there to ruin
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u/WhatsTheGoalieDoing Dec 18 '21
I mean that's fair, but even before Trump, Americans loved to plaster that thing just about anywhere they could. Wall Street, local sports matches, schools, front yards, music album art, on clothing, and on and on.
Looking in from the outside, not much has really changed about the perception.
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u/Ontario0000 Dec 17 '21
Hell ya...those who were armed or videoed hitting police should be worried now.
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u/dirtin_and_squirtin Dec 19 '21
Worried about what? 6 years isn't a slap on the wrist for throwing a fire extinguisher, but it's a bit disappointing for trying to overthrow the US.
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u/Chippopotanuse Dec 18 '21
Ahead of Palmer's sentencing, his defense lawyer argued that a sentence of between 18 months and two years would be "sufficient, but not greater than necessary," and that he recognized his actions on January 6 were "inexcusable."
When even your defense lawyer conceded two years would be good and your actions are inexcusable…shit.
And this was a guy who pleaded guilty and showed remorse.
Get ready for some really long-ass sentences for the tactical gear cop assaulters. There are dozens if not hundreds of them coming up.
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u/Latter-Statement-463 Dec 17 '21
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy! I’ll bet #eyegouger is shitting his adult diaper right now.
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u/DirkWrites Dec 17 '21
“But I’m a durn patriot, lookit mah ‘murican flag shirt,” yelled the domestic terrorist.
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u/TillThen96 Dec 17 '21
We were told that they were getting the less violent out of the way first. We'll probably see some more of those, but (fingers crossed) should also start seeing an upward sentencing trend.
It feels like forever.
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u/jerseycityfrankie Dec 18 '21
This guy’s only 54? He looks like 68.
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u/WhatsTheGoalieDoing Dec 18 '21
Generally what happens when you choose to breathe carcinogens rather than air every day.
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u/WileEWeeble Dec 18 '21
Finally ONE traitor getting a halfway appropriate sentence for assaulting law enforcement and attempting to usurp democracy.
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u/fullchargegaming Dec 18 '21
Okay - any word on if he will serve 3 months and get out on probation or anything
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u/trackstar04 Dec 18 '21
He cried like a baby.
Just once I want someone in the courtroom to go "fuck your feelings" to these pieces of shit. Just once.
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u/fuckthislifeintheass Dec 17 '21
Attack the capitol police and attempt to overthrow government: 5 years
Knowing more idiots are gonna try this since all they'll get is a slap on the wrist: priceless
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u/rez410 Dec 18 '21
Unfortunately, he will probably get pardoned in 2024. Sad state of affairs we are living in.
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u/Snoo_40410 Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21
Yeah, definitely if t-rump fearfully rewins the white house in 2024. Just to throw out some verses from a book that many of t-rumps followers say they believe in (but don't actually read or have knowledge of):
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 King James Version - 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (that the election was stolen from t-rump)12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Revelation of St John 13:3 ESV - The (multi-headed) Beast from the Sea (of Humanity)
"One of its heads (trump?) seemed to have a mortal (Political?) wound , but its mortal wound (Political defeat?) was healed (in 2024?), and the whole earth marveled (WTF?) as they (Americans) followed The Beast" - Rev. 13:3
"Danger Will Robinson, Danger, Danger!"
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u/Validus812 Dec 17 '21
That’s a lot of steak and joints he’s gonna miss-out for the next three with good behavior. Lol
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u/Boomslangalang Dec 18 '21
Right wing potheads are fucking frauds, you can’t indulge and be ‘against the man’ if you support the man. That would make them massive hypocrites… wait
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u/FiveUpsideDown Dec 18 '21
Charging these anti-American attackers with a hefty sentence didn't cause the sun to stop shinning or a tidal wave. A big scoop of justice makes law abiding citizens feel better. Let's keep doing sentences of this length. This violent gang of Trump supporters attempted a coup --- we can't coddle them if we want to keep having a democracy.
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u/PaxEtRomana Dec 18 '21
It's kind of wild that this guy got five years, I feel like there's dudes with mace and body armor getting significantly less than that
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u/FancyCalcumalator Dec 18 '21
Only 5 years? If the left pulled a coup attempt like this, the military would have shot them on site.
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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '21
all this in the name of freedom and that's the one thing he lost.