r/CapitolConsequences ironically unironic Sep 13 '21

Trump’s White House chief of staff is target of Capitol attack records request Investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/13/mark-meadows-records-trump-capitol-attack-committee
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u/ugottabekiddingmee Sep 13 '21

These companies are legally obligated to comply with these requests. These threats are obstructionist. Why is he not being charged?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/DjangoBojangles Sep 13 '21

Fear and Stupidity for most. Greed and Power for a few.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/Chillywilly37 Sep 13 '21

You forgot “white”. White Nationalism.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/DjangoBojangles Sep 13 '21

I throw racism under the fear umbrella. They really don't like being called racist

  • see Texas State legislators reaction to their racist bill being called racist. Spoiler, the hypocrites tried cancel free speech and passed the bill anyways despite heavy national pressure.

Fuck the fascists.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/fadewiles Sep 13 '21

I am so over false equivalency.

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u/julbull73 Sep 13 '21

We don't say white. We say culturally true nationalism or mono-culture. :)

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u/markodochartaigh1 Sep 13 '21

"Monoculture". As big a problem for humans as it is for corn.

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u/unbitious Sep 13 '21

No, they mentioned the fear and stupidity.

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u/laffnlemming Sep 13 '21

"Because ma pappy always did."

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u/GrumpyPidgeon Sep 13 '21

For many, simply because that party will push legislation that matches the voter’s values. I had a relative who told me she voted for Trump because she disagrees with him and thinks he’s morally reprehensible but he will push conservative values better than Biden. She had a small tone of sadness in her voice.

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u/7point7 Sep 13 '21

Is her version of “conservative values” basically “conserve white people being in power”? Because in my experience with my group that’s pretty much the unspoken meaning from my trump supporting friends and family.

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u/julbull73 Sep 13 '21

There are three conservative values with a fourth being a minority but pretty strongly indoctrinated at this point. Here's the entire conservative platform.

1.)Abortion is bad.

2.)Guns are good.

3.)Everyone is after what I have but especially poor people! Immigrants are also poor people.

4.)Cut taxes for the rich.

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u/uncleawesome Sep 14 '21

5.) We have no policy or plans for anything that will benefit anyone not rich and or white.

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u/TenaciousVeee Sep 14 '21

3 is racism, and belongs up top of the list if you’re being honest here. They know about it, they have no problem w it. They’re all white nationalist adjacent. They are fine w the bigots.

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u/julbull73 Sep 14 '21

Yes and no.

They would fear anyone who is positioned to take "theirs" either through increased taxes or straight theft/crime.

Racism just is easily abused due to stereotypes that are ingrained in our culture.

If racism went away, they would find another group to both list as "poor people"/problem that fit the bill and have the stereotype. If it wasn't for the holocaust Jews would still be the leader on the list ahead of any brown folks.

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u/TenaciousVeee Sep 14 '21 edited Sep 14 '21

Nonsense. If that were true they’d care about wage theft. They’d care about trillions of military spending disappearing, but they don’t. They’d care about the huge deficits the GOP always runs up. They don’t look too deep into reality because the party makes them feel like they’re centered, that others will be left behind.

The Nazis were inspired by racist Americans, not the other way around. It’s always white folks who pretend that racism is a fake issue they don’t need to look at, and then they claim to be progressive. They side against anti-racists, and pretend they know the hearts and minds of these poor misunderstood bigots.

They ignore history, because in reality they’re okay w ignoring the racist system as long as they get what they need out of it. Student loans over civil rights. They’re too young to realize their idealism is obvious self advocacy, and often parrot views from trust fund white socialists. Clueless.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/markodochartaigh1 Sep 13 '21

For the 0.1% it is all about money. The bush crime family was in business with the bin laden family for decades before 9/11. Race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc. are just tools to divide us so that we fight each other and can be controlled. Our oiligarchs who own the corporate Republicans and corporate Democrats care about financial issues only, they use social issues to keep us distracted from the financial issues about which they care.

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u/GrumpyPidgeon Sep 13 '21

Nah thankfully not in my case. My conservative relatives are not the “crazy” kind and would be just fine with a black person in charge, so long as they are conservative.

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u/WutzTehPoint Sep 13 '21

This is my mother. Only thing that matters is trying to ban abortion.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '21

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u/WutzTehPoint Sep 14 '21

She lives in Maine, none of that matters to her, beyond maybe thinking Texas was right. I haven't talked to her since before all o' that.

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u/party_benson Sep 13 '21

They hate the right people

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

I figure some people are such blatant losers that haven't done anything in their life that they're angry at other people. So they vote for people who seem to get off on hurting others.

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u/Mathgailuke Sep 13 '21

Because we, as a country, have left propaganda to whoever can afford it. Propaganda has a bad name, but it works, and we need to wrest control of it from wealthy corporations and individuals.

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u/ugottabekiddingmee Sep 13 '21

Ever been to the south?

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u/I_AM_THE_BIGFOOT Sep 13 '21

They don't give a fuck.

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u/mykidisonhere Sep 13 '21

They don't care if laws are broken or people are hurt....as long as it isn't them and/or they benefit from it.

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u/neverwantit Sep 13 '21

To own the libs

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u/skoltroll Sep 13 '21

Why is he not being charged?

Essentially, b/c he can't. Would have to impeach/kick him out, I believe. Best we can do.

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u/ugottabekiddingmee Sep 13 '21

Some guy replied to you and said nuh-uh. I hope that the doj is better at this than we are.

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u/BobHogan Sep 13 '21

He can absolutely be charged without being impeached and removed. Its a lot harder to charge a congressperson than a regular citizen, but they are not entirely above the law. But the DoJ doesn't have any balls anymore, so they won't do anything

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

Because it's not obstructionist. Obstructionist would be doing something that actually obstructs the investigation, not merely threatening to obstruct the investigation.

I know nuance is not something people like to acknowledge but it is very much a part of the world we live in.

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u/NoFeetSmell Sep 13 '21

Because it's not obstructionist. Obstructionist would be doing something that actually obstructs the investigation, not merely threatening to obstruct the investigation.

But if the threat of retribution for providing evidence causes any company to actually withhold evidence, then the investigation has been obstructed. The investigators won't necessarily even know if said evidence has been withheld, but the guilty parties involved would, since their crimes didn't come to light. Since you're obviously more well-versed in nuance that the rest of us, what would you call that? Stochastic obstruction?

Similarly, are mobsters allowed to threaten shop owners to remind them that they will look favorably upon them after the trial, as long as they don't provide any info to law enforcement? What's your nuanced take there?

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u/partumvir Sep 13 '21

That’s not nuance. That word does not mean what you think it means.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

It is exactly what nuance is.

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u/CornyRex94585 Sep 13 '21

Very much a part of the world we live in....and the law. The nuance of the change in a single verb employed strategically is the difference between a threat and a completely legal and well founded statement.

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u/Frangiblepani Sep 13 '21

Members of government threatening retaliation does not sound like democracy.

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u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 Sep 13 '21

...and warned that the GOP would retaliate against companies that complied when his party retakes the House majority.

First, LOL at every having the majority anywhere ever again & second, good to know that parts of the Fed are still being kindasorta run by petulant children who want to not only take their ball back & go home but want to puncture the ball in order to deflate it into uselessness & then go home.

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u/phx-au Sep 15 '21

First, LOL at every having the majority anywhere ever again & second

You know that every angry racist is gonna put on their red hat and vote in the midterms while blue team kicks back and gets stomped 30% to 25%.

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u/RogerClyneIsAGod2 Sep 15 '21

We'll see. They didn't turn up in the CA for recall & at the rate the base is dying of COVID, there's fewer of them to vote.

I hope you're wrong but yeah, there's always a possibility.

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u/WildWinza Sep 13 '21

To do this he would have to overthrow the Patriot Act.

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u/chrisdub84 Sep 13 '21

It's also funny to suggest that political parties have power over corporate interests and not the other way around.

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u/biggreencat Sep 14 '21

on the plus side, these Repug attacks always fail. The only tunes they can dance to are deregulate and defund.

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u/Ai--Ya Sep 15 '21

McCarthy really living up to his last name here

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u/_Civil_Liberties_ Sep 13 '21

The US needs to protect itself from traitors and evil. Unfortunately that means the vast majority of Republicans.

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u/Raccoon_Full_of_Cum Sep 13 '21

"All enemies, foreign and domestic."

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u/MerylasFalguard Sep 13 '21

“… domestic and foreign.”

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u/RealBowsHaveRecurves Sep 13 '21

"... and foreign domestic."

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u/thephotoman Sep 13 '21

That Republicans are unafraid is proof that the military is useless.

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u/Phyllis_Tine Sep 13 '21

The article states,

"The inclusion of Meadows on the list, alongside McCarthy and 10 other far-right House Republicans"

Uh, isn't that, like, all Republicans?

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u/DjangoBojangles Sep 13 '21

I thought 10 house members was low. But if you pick up Jordan, Banks, Brooks, Biggs, Cawthorn, Gohmert, McCarthy, Gaetz you'd probably snare the rest of them that were close in on it.

Which 10 was it?

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u/hazeyindahead Sep 13 '21

No no sinema is basically a republican and not far right

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u/2_dam_hi Sep 13 '21

Also a Senator.

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u/PurpleSailor AuntieFa Sep 13 '21

Meadows, get rekt ya bastard.

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u/nopersonclature Sep 14 '21

He’s such a dumb fuck he deserves all of this. Source: NC resident here

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u/cjheaney Sep 13 '21

Shits getting real. Can't wait for the finding on these traitors. Fuck them all.

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u/party_benson Sep 13 '21

They'll get a dainty wrist slap. Needs 2/3rds of Congress to vote for any penalty.

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u/cjheaney Sep 13 '21

Not sure if thats true on the new commissions findings. Time will tell.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

You love to see it.

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u/timelighter Sep 13 '21

Trump’s White House chief of staff

you'll have to be more specific than that

a lot more specific

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u/party_benson Sep 13 '21 edited Sep 13 '21

The House select committee investigating the 6 January attack on the Capitol has instructed telecom and social media companies last week to preserve records of Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to a source familiar with the matter.

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u/dollarwaitingonadime Sep 13 '21

I think he was making a joke about how many chiefs of staff there were.

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u/WishOneStitch Sep 13 '21

And how corrupt each of them might have been...

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u/Jimbob0i0 Sep 14 '21

Priebus, Kelly then Meadows wasn't it or am I missing anyone?

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u/dollarwaitingonadime Sep 14 '21

Wasn’t Mulvaney in there somewhere?

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u/Jimbob0i0 Sep 14 '21

Oh yeah he was "Acting Chief of Staff" even though it didn't require confirmation...

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u/Rainhall Sep 13 '21

They should’ve at least told us how many mooches this person was WHCoS for so we could play a guessing game.

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u/sev45day Sep 13 '21

I would love to think something will come of all this, but I have lost any hope. It has become very clear that Republicans can do whatever they want with no repercussions at all. Barring actual criminal charges to remove them from office, nothing will happen. They will turn this into how the Democrats are on money wasting witch hunt, the conservative media will spin it as over reach, and their entire base will eat it up. They won't lose a single voter.

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u/Animal40160 Sep 13 '21

This.

And my head could explode with the sheer frustration of it.

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u/2_dam_hi Sep 13 '21

Nothing will happen unless Merrick Garland grows a pair and starts indicting these traitors. Time will tell.

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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Sep 13 '21

I keep hoping Democrats have the smoking gun and are just waiting for election season.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Sep 13 '21

I gilded because this opinion is valid. Democrats are terrible at playing the game. Republicans are ruthless and they know the numbers aren’t t there so they have to play dirty to win. Democrats want to win a clean fight.

This is the one time when I think we have a clear upper hand and we should use it. Dems should investigate and convict. Our Capitol was attacked by conservative terrorists and that should absolutely win us some elections. No fuckin reason why it shouldn’t.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Sep 13 '21

Yep. The one thing I have done differently lately is send my money to red states. My state is solid blue. I sent a couple hundred bucks to Georgia last election.

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u/Hoovooloo42 Sep 13 '21

Genuinely asking, because I'm undecided: are Democrats actually BAD at this, or are they pretending to be idiots?

Because on one hand, they could very well just he awful at messaging, and I would believe that.

On the other hand... They're paid by the same corporations that the Republicans are. It would be very advantageous for them to let the Republicans he the bad guys while they stand there with their Rotating Villain (Manchin now, or whoever is standing in the way of letting the useful bills pass that would help the People and cost corporations money) and say *....Oh nooooooo, [Rotating Villain] won't let us pass this bill! Vote for me next go around and we'll be sure to do it then!

And then the NEXT Rotating Villain will be chosen, while they still get paid by the corporations same as the Republicans.

Or they could be incompetent. Could go either way.

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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker Sep 13 '21

If you look at corporate donations Democrats do just as well as republicans but in my opinion it is literally looking at good vs evil. Dems get big money from high tech while republicans get money from big oil, pharmaceutical, and Goldman Sachs.

By now critical thinkers should be able to see which party holds the moral upper hand.

I’m for the politicians who talk about human rights, workers rights, and economic sustainability that doesn’t include raping the planet.

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u/Hoovooloo42 Sep 13 '21

I absolutely agree that of the two the Democrats are the better option. There are individuals in that party that seem to genuinely give a shit.

But I'm a bit skeptical of the motives of 80% of the Democrats in power. That said, I'm not skeptical at ALL about 99.9% of the Republicans in power, because I know exactly what they're about.

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u/WildWinza Sep 13 '21

I think they are all on the same side also.

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u/mixreality Sep 14 '21

It honestly seems like 2 sides of the same coin. Dems will talk a good talk but when it comes to doing anything meaningful they never seem to get anywhere. How about gerrymandering, and all the other shit discussed for decades. Not a damn thing changes. Both sides are members of the same country clubs, attend the same parties, their public positions are just marketing/PR targeting a base.

One side is worse but the other side isn't good they're just less bad.

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u/party_benson Sep 13 '21

It's almost like Democrats support individualism and Republicans socialize.

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u/rrrich7 Sep 13 '21

Oh i disagree mightily with your views. I think those who will run against the big 10 repubs are getting a lot of support. And Biden is more popular than TFG ever was.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

You are correct. Per capita and adjusted for inflation WAY more US military hardware ended up in the Communist Vietnamese Governments hands when Saigon fell.

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u/Cunninghams_right Sep 16 '21

I don't think Biden will make a serious run next cycle. he's already pretty old. Trump is pretty old also. maybe he will run, but I don't think he's actually that good of a candidate. the alt right/far right are already distancing themselves. it's likely to be one of the other crazies.

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u/headfirst21 Sep 13 '21

At this point it's looking like a smoking arsenal

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u/fistofwrath Sep 13 '21

Liberals are going to have to stop standing on decorum and play the same game the hogs are. They're weak as shit and they're easily manipulated. Until they grow some balls and take these assholes to task, it will continue. There's only one possible outcome if you leave fascists in your government.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '21

Ah yes. As they say, the wheels of justice grind slow, but they grind exceedingly fine.

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u/WishOneStitch Sep 13 '21

When they turn at all. Remember how the Mueller Report was supposed to deliver justice?

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u/JONO202 Sep 13 '21

The irony doesn't escape me that Republican house minority leaders last name is McCarthy.

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u/JDA56 Sep 13 '21

It’s about time!

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u/ramot1 Sep 13 '21

I think we've had enough of hard right wing activity. Democracy needs defending.

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u/biodgradablebuttplug Sep 13 '21

This account is obviously a corporate account or bot account. Either way Im taking back my front page by blocking this user.

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u/graneflatsis ironically unironic Sep 13 '21

Beep boop bop

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u/kellydean1 Sep 14 '21

Mark Meadows can suck my asshole. He belongs in prison with the rest of the 1/6 traitors.

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u/HighIsI Sep 16 '21

Mark Meadows is just another old white racist redneck lying POS