r/CapitolConsequences • u/20_mile • Aug 23 '24
Who is Capitol Police Commander Glover requesting backup *from* in this video? Discussion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsQTY9083r841
u/20_mile Aug 23 '24
This video explains how Commander Glover requested backup personnel and munitions to strengthen the line to keep the rioters away from the capitol building.
I get he is talking to dispatch, but who is he asking backup from? Who is NOT sending the backup?
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u/PapagenoRed Aug 23 '24
Wasn't it the national guard (which is under command of POTUS and he refused to deploy them)? Also the Waahington PD was/is not allowed there?
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u/MimiPaw Aug 23 '24
The dispatch is from JOC, Joint Operational Command. My interpretation is that the JOC had the authority to assign either the MPD or the Capitol Police so the efforts were coordinated. But it sounds like it took a long time for the MPD backup to arrive. Since Glover was in control of his team, the Capitol Police was the only option for backup.
I am bothered by the comment about the MPD backup almost being there when they were still gearing up a mile away. Was it confusion driving that statement? Or trying to get Glover to stop asking for help because there was no one able to send as backup? Having a more accurate understanding of when his other guys were going to show up seems like it would impact his decisions at that moment.
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u/20_mile Aug 23 '24
My interpretation is that the JOC had the authority to assign either the MPD or the Capitol Police so the efforts were coordinated.
Okay, and who commanded the JOC? Was that person a political appointee of Trump? Was it ineptitude that caused the delay in reinforcements, or was it a conspiracy?
Also, concerning the outer ring perimeter, does anyone know if the pedestrian barrier / bicycle racks were standard defense (used at every other vote certification), or if Trump was able to somehow downgrade the perimeter security?
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u/wikipediabrown007 Aug 24 '24
Kind of insane this question isn’t being asked more loudly. We should be privy to this information.
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u/20_mile Aug 24 '24
The answer might be available in the J6 Committee Hearing tapes / transcripts, in which case plenty of people know, but I just haven't found it yet. I have been looking for a documentary about the J6 Hearings, because the real-time version is dozens and dozens of hours.
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u/wikipediabrown007 Aug 24 '24
Incredible how many ppl in this sub comment about anything other than the question you’ve asked. Explaining to you asinine things you didn’t ask for, etc.
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u/20_mile Aug 24 '24
comment about anything other than the question you’ve asked
you are now logged in to reddit
But to address your comment, the conversation so far seems pretty standard for a discussion surrounding a complex topic which most people have not properly researched.
The one answer that attempts to answer my question came from minipaw, so good on them.
I am 43--not young, not old--and I consider myself a politics nerd, but only in the past few weeks have I really begun to dig into comprehensive documentaries about Jan 6, and the modern far right movement. I watched this documentary from 2017 on the OK City bombing several times when it came out (that is to say I recognized the far right as being a danger, although you would think the deaths of 187 people would have put the far right on permanent blast for everyone since it happened), but like many other people, I just got caught up in life, and didn't really "see for myself" what and how Jan 6 happened.
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u/Pollo_Jack Aug 23 '24
We had cops shooting people in the eyes with non legal rounds and needlessly charging protestors. Whoever it was delaying they were doing it for trump or at his orders.
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u/20_mile Aug 24 '24
We had cops shooting people in the eyes with non legal rounds and needlessly charging protestors
I don't take your meaning here? Non-legal rounds? Needlessly charging protestors? What are you referring to?
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u/PapagenoRed Aug 23 '24
Wasn't it the national guard (which is under command of POTUS and he refused to deploy them)? Also the Waahington PD was/is not allowed there?
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u/Paula_56 Aug 23 '24
I wonder how after 9-11 and all of the security measures though out the country this could happen?
Didn’t we prepare?
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u/e-zimbra False flag football Aug 24 '24
Not when the call may have been coming from inside the House. So to speak.
What good is preparation if, hypothetically, those tasked with defending us become the terrorists?
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u/20_mile Aug 24 '24
those tasked with defending us become the terrorists?
Several capitol police officers have publicly come forward to say they voted for Trump in 2016. Brian Sicknick, who died on Jan 7, voted for Trump as well as Officer Fanone who has since rejected Trump.
While some officers were taking selfies with insurrectionists, or standing aside, I would guess--hope?--most of them have come around to understanding that even if they don't like Biden-Harris, or the Democrats, they can see that Trump, and at least his style of Republican represented a physical threat to them on January 6.
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u/Paula_56 Aug 24 '24
Not exactly sure what your are implying? Are you saying that someone in charge of security intentionally pulled or withheld resources so that the coup would be successful?
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u/DoremusJessup Aug 24 '24
Remember the ultimate authority was Trump and he had no interest in helping anyone but himself on Jan. 6.
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u/Paula_56 Aug 24 '24
Yes exactly all roads lead to him, without him none of this would have happened. It's like someone lighting a fire and when the house burns down they blame they firemen for not saving the house. Even though several firemen died fighting the fire.
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u/true-skeptic Aug 23 '24
Is it possible if they had unalived 10 of these MAGA morons, the rest would have run scared? IDK
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u/Lumbergo Aug 23 '24
Considering how they cowered and retreated after the terrorist / traitor Ashli Babbitt was shot in the neck - yes.
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u/BreakerSoultaker Aug 24 '24
In several of the videos where the insurrectionists were stabbing cops with poles or threatening them as they retreated, I would have definitely fired. Their lives and the lives of the officials they were protecting were definitely in danger.
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u/20_mile Aug 24 '24
I would have definitely fired
Incredible that the insurrectionist body count was one (Ashli Babbit), three others died from heart conditions / stress, one officer died the following day, and four others committed suicide for a total of nine deaths, which, while absolutely awful, still "seems low" considering what could have happened.
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u/20_mile Aug 23 '24
The domestic terrorists are still out there.
Isn't most of their A-Team in prison?
I am not at all downplaying their danger, but I think Biden - Harris are going to ensure that the Capitol is properly protected this time around.
I also concede the point that the House still contains people willing to commit treason, so there could be some nefarious actions taking place inside the building as well during the vote certification process.
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u/IdahoMTman222 Aug 24 '24
I hope the powers that were in charge and holding back assistance are NOT employed there currently.
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u/BeltfedOne Aug 23 '24
This video simply reinforces WHO caused it. And "Who" wants to be POTUS again. Vote accordingly.