r/CapitolConsequences • u/CCMcC • Jan 23 '23
Jury finds Barnett guilty of eight insurrection charges CONVICTION
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/jury-finds-barnett-guilty-of-eight-insurrection-charges/649
u/zeidoktor Jan 23 '23
Witness testimony concluded on January 20. It took the jury approximately two hours of deliberations to reach a unanimous guilty verdict on all counts.
Sounds like they didn't even stall for lunch
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Jan 23 '23
Yeah, what no free pizza?
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u/BikerJedi Jan 23 '23
I would've dragged out deliberations just long enough to get a free meal after sitting through that.
EDIT: Also, absolute fucking bullshit he is free to roam until sentencing in May.
Lock. Them. All. Up.
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u/theartfulcodger Jan 24 '23
Clearly, the jury was so pissed off at his ridiculous protestations of innocence and the contradictory bullshit he spouted under cross that the members just didn’t want to spend a minute more than they had to in this man’s presence.
Because there are some things that even free pizza can’t buy.
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u/chaoticmessiah Jan 24 '23
Yeah, you'd think he'd be kept in custody like dangerous criminals in the UK are before sentencing.
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u/ritchie70 Jan 24 '23
I don’t understand why any of these terrorists are out, before or after trial. I can’t understand it.
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u/Tripwir62 Jan 23 '23
He told the FBI he’s a “very smart man.”
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u/zeidoktor Jan 23 '23
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u/CarlRJ Jan 23 '23
Sounds almost like he thought the FBI guys would be sympathetic / on his side.
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u/Tripwir62 Jan 23 '23
What an arrogant POS.
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u/_regionrat Jan 24 '23
How are we not talking about him bringing a cane with a built in stun baton?
Like, is he the fucking riddler?
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u/Sprout59 Jan 23 '23
Yes and he took mail and posted it on his social media site! Thought that was a fedral offense also. Pile it on.
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u/drunkpunk138 Jan 23 '23
I would have assumed you were joking if you didn't have a link to back it up.
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u/zeidoktor Jan 23 '23
Exactly why I included it. (I'd heard about it and made a point of looking it up to make sure I wasn't misremembering or taking a joke post somewhere seriously)
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u/funktopus Jan 23 '23
He's the one that told the FBI you won't find my weapons cause I'm smart right? I swear that was him.
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u/MuuaadDib Jan 23 '23
They all look so confident and proud of themselves, can't wait to check back in with him in 12 months and see his face.
More like this I suspect...
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Jan 23 '23
Given his age, he’s going to get a life sentence. Never to walk free again.
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u/Wraywong Jan 24 '23
If anything, they will go easy on him due his age...probably claim is he is suffering from Alzheimer's, or the like.
If I was his lawyer, that would be my strategy.
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Jan 23 '23
He was cocky because he thought he was only a few hours away from a presidential pardon. Possibly even an medal from Cheeto himself.
Oopsie doodles.
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u/PurpleSailor AuntieFa Jan 23 '23
The paperwork can take a while. Without that it probably took the jury 5 minutes.
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u/UmbraNyx Jan 23 '23
Yeah, this is insanely fast for eight criminal charges.
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u/GogglesPisano Jan 23 '23
I guess literally having video and photos of the defendant in the act of committing the crimes (and then further video of him repeatedly bragging about it afterward) speeds up the process quite a bit.
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u/vicarofvhs Jan 23 '23
Don't forget the interview he gave after exiting the capitol but still on the grounds, talking about how he "came into this world screaming and covered in someone else's blood, and I ain't afraid to go out of it that way!" Yeah, not a good look for someone claiming he was just a victim of circumstance.
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u/Jillredhanded Jan 24 '23
In court he said that he was "swept" into the Capitol by the crowd and was only wandering around inside looking for a restroom.
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u/vicarofvhs Jan 24 '23
And then they played the interview footage, I hope. "Your honor, the prosecution submits that Big-O is full of shit." "Sustained."
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u/zuma15 Jan 23 '23
He also testified on the stand and his lies were laughable. The jury probably found them insulting to their intelligence.
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u/CapitolConsequences-ModTeam Jan 23 '23
“Highly entertaining”…sorry let’s not be that disrespectful to people who were murdered
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u/FiveUpsideDown Jan 23 '23
This conviction is tough way for criminals to learn that photos of them committing crimes can’t be refuted.
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u/whatproblems Jan 23 '23
two hours means it must have been on like the first round they were just going through the charges and filling the paperwork
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u/RTK9 Jan 24 '23
This fucking amber heard logic for the appeal:
"This was not a jury of my peers"
Toddlers aren't old enough to serve on a jury and your like-minded peers are also going to jail for terrorism related charges so they are likewise not available
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u/Kangasmom Jan 23 '23
I’m glad they are finally calling it what it was an insurrection and not tip toeing around with euphemisms.
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u/AdamHR Jan 23 '23
Once he’s convicted, no need to dance around it. It’s not alleged. It’s not a protest. It’s insurrection.
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u/got_outta_bed_4_this Jan 23 '23
He wasn't explicitly convicted of "insurrection". I don't think the referenced article even said what all the charges were. Washington Post at least sort of enumerated them.
Besides obstructing an official proceeding, Barnett was convicted of two felonies related to carrying a dangerous weapon in the Capitol and a felony charge of civil disorder. The four misdemeanors he was convicted of included theft of government property, meaning the envelope.
By the definition of insurrection as "a violent uprising against an authority or government", some would consider his convictions as fitting the definition, but there's still room for others to argue the contrary.
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u/Turdulator Jan 24 '23
Here’s the full breakdown of what he was charged with:
• 18:231(a)(3); Civil Disorder
• 18:1512(c)(2) and 2; Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting
• 18:1752(a)(1) and (b)(1)(A); Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
• 18:1752(a)(2) and (b)(1)(A); Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon
• 40:5104(e)(2)(C); Entering and Remaining in Certain Rooms in the Capitol Building
• 40:5104(e)(2)(G); Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building
• 18:641; Theft of Government Property
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u/politicalthrow99 Jan 23 '23
It's like when they say "the events of September 11"
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Jan 23 '23
I mean I don't see that as any attempt to tiptoe around what 9/11 was. No serious person claims 9/11 weren't terrorist attacks. It's just a more broadly descriptive phrase that includes the non-attack events alongside the attacks themselves.
For example, Bush reading "My Pet Goat" was part of the "events of 9/11," but it wasn't one of the attacks.
By contrast, the American right has seriously tried to character the 1/6 terrorists as "tourists" who did nothing wrong.
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u/e-zimbra False flag football Jan 23 '23
Euphemisms like “tourism” for example.
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u/Ontario0000 Jan 23 '23
POS was bragging on tv and on some alt right programs about wanting to pee in Pelosi office.
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u/LivingIndependence Jan 23 '23
Yes, there's his famous post game interview, in which he bragged to a reporter about what he did in Pelosi's office. I think these braggarts were running their mouth freely because they were convinced that what they were doing was not only legal, but justified. Maybe in Dogpatch Arkansas, but not in Washington DC...BIGO-mouth!
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Jan 23 '23
They honestly thought that trump was going to take over and they’d be heroes. How else could a huge mob of people go in there so brazenly without ski masks or any kind of mask, wearing clothing with their company name on it, filming it and posting on their personal social media, and telling a ton of people without being afraid of going to prison? Yes, they are stupid but the brainwashing was extremely effective. That’s the thing about psychopaths.. they con others into doing their dirty work then let the others take the fall.
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u/killer_icognito Jan 23 '23
The pipe bomb person might’ve been the smartest of the lot.
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u/VinCubed Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
They were most likely an actual smart person that just wanted to sow chaos.
EDIT: Fixed homonym
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u/Admirable_Nothing Jan 23 '23
How does somebody get convicted on 8 counts, some of them felonies, and still get to walk free for the next 5 months until sentencing?
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u/CCMcC Jan 23 '23
That's certainly a fair question. I'll update the story if the judge submits a ruling on that with any pertinent details.
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u/SpicelessKimChi Jan 23 '23
Judge will let him stay "at home" until sentencing. Total bullshit:
Although a prosecutor argued Monday that Barnett, who lives in tiny Gravette, Ark., in the Ozarks, should be jailed pending his May 3 sentencing, Judge Christopher R. Cooper allowed him remain on home detention.
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u/LivingIndependence Jan 23 '23
Seriously. 4 months is plenty of time for this asshole to either dissappear or do something else, stupid and dangerous. Especially considering that he's expressed his dread of a lengthy prison sentence.
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u/aeschenkarnos Jan 23 '23
He is a stupid asshole, though. Whatever he does, he will fuck it up somehow. He can’t help himself. Quietly disappear? Hell no. He’s too important. He did nothing wrong. They will drag him out of a bus station toilet, crying and screaming.
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u/Somehum Jan 24 '23
A lot of insurrectionists who have been charged with January 6th related crimes have also been charged with DUI in the intervening months between charges and trial dates and two have killed people in DUI crashes. These are not good people.
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u/leontes Jan 23 '23
The punishment is the sentence - you get to go free if the judge thinks you aren’t a danger of running or of further breaking of the law.
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Jan 23 '23
I wouldn’t let a single one of them out of jail before sentencing. As far as I’m concerned they are all a flight risk.
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u/cperiod Jan 23 '23
Think of it as a little test to help the judge determine the length of the sentence.
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u/aeschenkarnos Jan 23 '23
They’re a flight risk in the sense that they might try to run away, but their prospects of actual escape are, like themselves, pretty dim. They are literally the stupidest tier of Trump supporters, having traveled at their own expense to publicly commit very serious crimes. As a flight risk, they are ostriches.
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Jan 23 '23
I’m somewhat concerned with one of these nuts having a shootout with cops or the feds when it’s time for sentencing or going off the grid with some prepper friend and getting out of some prison time. It’s mostly irritating because they seem to be getting better treatment than most people who commit much lesser crimes.
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u/aeschenkarnos Jan 23 '23
Them trying to shoot the Feds might help the Feds wake up to how dangerous and stupid these people are. There is far too much sympathy for them in the ranks of law enforcement, including sentencing judges.
I don’t think them escaping is a serious prospect though, these are people of routine, of fixed identity, who get upset if they can’t get their morning macchiato. They won’t be able to stay hidden longer than a couple of weeks.
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u/hightimesinaz Jan 23 '23
Bigo going to the big house
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u/Soregular Jan 23 '23
I've been waiting for this one. It's delicious.
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Jan 23 '23
I think he will get 8 years. One can hope!
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u/Buhlasted Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 24 '23
I think time to serve behind bars, and probation will be close to 10 years. His fines and restitution may be very high, as well.
Getting out of prison, should he survive, in his 70s-ish, and a felon. Talk about fucked for life, this is the poster boy.
How many American lives has Trump taken from his followers? How many lives did he ruin from his lies? How is it that he still walks the streets of our country a free man?
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u/eganvay Jan 23 '23
what are the chances that he violates pre-sentencing release and gets taken in early?
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u/RamutRichrads Jan 24 '23
Given that Bigo is now a convicted criminal, and the lightest possible sentence will be longer than the interval between today and May 3rd (98 days), I don't understand why he wasn't taken immediately into custody. Now this jabroni has 98 days to evade custody and/or commit additional crimes against the people.
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u/ButterPotatoHead Jan 23 '23
The distinctions that seem to make a difference in sentencing are 1) did they have a weapon, 2) did they touch or impede a cop, 3) did they organize ahead of time or lead the insurrection, 4) did they show no remorse.
He definitely has 1 and 4. Guessing he'll get something in the 50-60 months range.
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u/zeidoktor Jan 23 '23
Part of me wonders how surprised he was at the verdict.
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u/GeneralTapioca Jan 23 '23
He’s so deluded, I bet he thought he’d walk. These fuckers think everyone thinks just like they do.
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u/zeidoktor Jan 23 '23
Yeah. A common trend is that these folks don't understand that actions have consequences. I remember when the Great Temper Tantrum of January 6th happened I heard stories of people genuinely surprised the police weren't on their side.
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u/pantie_fa Jan 23 '23
people genuinely surprised the police weren't on their side.
I tell you what; if I get paid by the government, I'm absolutely NOT on the side of tax dodgers.
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u/ImInOverMyHead95 Jan 24 '23
I was genuinely surprised that the DOJ came after these assholes. They did nothing about the explosion of hate groups and militias when Obama was president and it seemed the government was genuinely afraid to hold them accountable because they were armed and deranged.
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u/Arkie_MTB Jan 23 '23
He’s a local to me and somewhat active on social media. Based on what I’ve seen, he’s completely unrepentant and his “I’m just an idiot” act is just that, an act.
I can’t wait until this thug is out of Benton County.
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u/aShittierShitTier4u Jan 23 '23
Could you imagine riding on the great trails there, encountering Barnett playing Eric Rudolph gone wild in the woods? Like if he's a fronter, maybe that's because he's a runner?
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Jan 23 '23
Yeah, I can, kind of.
Yesterday I was riding a trail in Grapevine, TX, and one section came up by the street - a residential street full of mini-McMansions. The one directly across the street from this trail section has a giant Go Brandon banner, a trump 2024 banner, and other assorted hanging garbage. Still. This year. These people are blithering idiots.
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u/ghostalker4742 Jan 23 '23
This was a believer. He genuinely thought that if he made his case to a jury that they'd understand, they'd sympathize, and he'd walk out of court a free man.
And everyone telling him the feds have a +96% conviction rate at trial, and that the vast majority of defendant take a plea deal rather than go to trial.... they were just spouting fake news, right?
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u/funkyloki Jan 24 '23
The judge should be censuring that asshole. The bar doesn't allow lawyers to spread bullshit like that, right?
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u/NevenderThready Jan 23 '23
He's always looked a bit wild-eyed, but today I think he looked panicked--or at least stunned.
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u/Vassarbashing Jan 23 '23
He looks shell shocked coming out of that courtroom! I can’t believe they let him out until sentencing. I foresee another case like that one in Ohio (?) where the woman killed someone drunk driving after her January 6 conviction.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Jan 23 '23
He has been sliding through life as a veteran and firefighter and then grifting off his conduct on Jan 6Th…I think he honestly thought he would get off.
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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII Jan 23 '23
I said in another sub covering this that the insurrectionists probably thought they would be successful (or at the absolute very least pardoned if they failed). So they didn't really care about documenting everything they did (and likely wanted records for the new history books that would be forcibly taught under the regime they thought they'd create).
So as others said, he likely has this feeling that he would be immune from consequences and now sees the presence of consequences as injustice of their own right.
We have seen a bunch of stories about how so many people caught said how they are sorry and didn't think and regret what they did and blah blah blah. I don't believe them for a second. Reality is hitting them like an avalanche of bricks, but that reality is "waaah I don't wanna go to prison waaah!"
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u/dirtygremlin Jan 23 '23
Outside courthouse Bigo Barnett says he didn’t get a fair trial .. claiming he didn’t get a jury of his “peers”… I asked what that meant. And his attorney Joe McBride responded for Barnett
Want an Arkansas jury? Do your crimes in Arkansas.
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u/Soregular Jan 23 '23
Yep! This isn't the United States of Arkansas. What an absolute moron. It's too bad he gets to walk around before his final sentence is delivered. I hope that someone is there when they take him to prison - I wanna see his face then!
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u/swingadmin USC§2381 Jan 23 '23
I can't wait for Trump to blurt in front of 100 cameras that he wasn't tried by a jury of his peers.
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u/grumble_au Jan 24 '23
I've said it before, they should convene a jury of former presidents, vice presidents and senators, and every single fucking one of them will convict him. I'd love to see fox spin that.
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u/NevenderThready Jan 23 '23
I'm Arkansan and would have voted to convict that waste of skin in a heartbeat. This guy and those like him have a hard time really understanding, maybe believing, that there are people who don't think like they do, although 'think' is generous in this case.
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u/WanderinHobo Jan 23 '23
"My peers were my brothers and sisters at the Capital that day!"
"Well if you can give us some names we'll be sure to get them for you..."
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u/Tanthiel Jan 23 '23
The general Arkansas population is tired of their shit, the problem is that Republicans have Arkansas gerrymandered so it's hard for them to lose control. House 4 used to be a tossup district until they added some of the most conservative cities in a different quadrant of the state to the district.
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u/MaximumZer0 Jan 23 '23
Can't wait until independent redistricting committees across the nation are seen as incredible successes and are mandated federally for all states.
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u/powersurge Jan 23 '23
Are you sure? The general Arkansas population just chose Sarah Huckabee Sanders to be their governor. If they were tired of their s-_t, the general Arkansas population could have done something about it at the ballot box. The general Arkansas population did what they always do at the ballot box 2022, their first vote after the insurrection.
Nah, Arkansas' reputation remains well deserved and Bigo might be as a good of a mascot as the new governor.
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u/LivingIndependence Jan 23 '23
A jury of his peers: all of his buddies, and acquaintances that he's had since birth, in his rural backwater town.
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u/GovernmentAgent_Q Jan 23 '23
The Constitution doesn't provide for a jury of your peers but it does stipulate that trials take place in the district where the crime occurs. So my question is, why do they hate the Constitution?
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u/Effective-Being-849 Jan 23 '23
They're used to being on the ingroup side: the laws have an ingroup that protect but do not bind, the outgroup is bound but not protected.
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u/c4virus Jan 23 '23
They come to DC to do an insurrection then say it's not fair that the jury was people from DC.
lol, hope this dude gets a long ass sentence. He's not even remotely apologetic for trying to destroy democracy for a loser idiot.
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u/myaberrantthoughts Jan 23 '23
His expression while his lawyer talking, definitely tells me that there is not a lot going on between his ears.
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u/Decabet Jan 23 '23
And his attorney Joe McBride responded for Barnett
Lol his lawyer looks (and sounds) like one of Christopher Moltisanti's friends from the Bada Bing
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u/boiledRender Jan 23 '23
I hope they don’t for their own safety, but I would love to hear what those 12 fine upstanding patriots really think of Bigo.
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u/joshcouch Jan 23 '23
Do we know what the sentencing guidelines are for these crimes yet?
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Jan 23 '23
He rejected a plea deal for 5 years.
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2022/apr/13/capitol-riot-defendant-from-gravette-rejects-plea/
I'm not sure about the guidelines.
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u/vicarofvhs Jan 23 '23
As an Arkansan I'd like to respond to that with this statement:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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u/ADarwinAward Jan 24 '23
Holy shit, his plea deal was 5 years? He's about to get fucked unless the judge is a Trump appointee.
Edit: His Judge is Christopher R. Cooper, an Obama Appointee
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u/PensiveObservor Too old for this shit Jan 23 '23
WaPo today: “The most serious charge he faced, obstructing an official government proceeding, carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison. But advisory sentencing guidelines used by the court are likely to recommend a much shorter term in his case…
“Besides obstructing an official proceeding, Barnett was convicted of two felonies related to carrying a dangerous weapon in the Capitol and a felony charge of civil disorder. The four misdemeanors he was convicted of included theft of government property, meaning the envelope.”
So, no comment on cumulative sentence. He’s def going away for some time.
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u/JONO202 Jan 23 '23
My favorite part what that his defense was "This isn't the actions of a criminal, I'm just a fucking idiot".
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u/FarceMultiplier Jan 23 '23
Maybe he thinks there are no stupid people in prison :P
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u/ghostalker4742 Jan 23 '23
Prison is full of people who knew they wouldn't get caught, and hospitals are full of people who knew they could do it.
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u/fuzzy_one Jan 23 '23
It is the “I’m just a dumb hick from Arkansas” defense.
As an Arkansan I am so glad it did not work.
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u/scumbag_college Jan 23 '23
I can't believe this idiot actually took it to trial. He's fucked. He's going to get so much time, I wouldn't be surprised if he dies in prison.
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u/GlobalTravelR Jan 23 '23
🎶 The was a terrorist who got convicted and Bigo was his nameo.... B... I... G...O 🎶
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u/PCP_Panda Jan 23 '23
I’m sure the Jury wasted no time and was thrilled to be able to get distance from this unbearable asshole
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Jan 23 '23
They should have held him until sentencing.
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u/chaoticnormal Jan 23 '23
I'm hoping, since he's not in prison until sentencing, that he'll get pinched on a weapons charge. That would be directly to jail and probably affect his sentencing in May considering he'd be telegraphing that he's a danger to society.
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u/Validus812 Jan 23 '23
62 and goin to jail. Ahaha I bet you this one was a jackass all his life but skated under the radar. A very good end to his story.
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u/heloguy1234 Jan 23 '23
What kind of time is he looking at?
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u/SecretAsianMan42069 Jan 23 '23
Rejected 5 year plea deal. Max is twenty so maybe 8-9
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u/Missing-Digits Jan 23 '23
Anything less than 20 years is a miscarriage of justice. But he is likely going to exactly the time you proposed.
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u/C0l0n3l_Panic Jan 23 '23
“His sentencing is scheduled for May 3. The prosecution asked the court to detain Barnett until that date, but the motion was denied by Judge Cooper.” Why on earth would you not detain him?
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u/ghostalker4742 Jan 23 '23
Hopefully to give him one more chance to fuck up his life. He doesn't think he got a fair trial, so maybe he won't show up to sentencing and the Marshalls will have to pick him up.
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u/BrewtalKittehh Jan 23 '23
Probably because he's met all the conditions of pre-trial release, and nobody believes he'd be bright enough to be a successful fugitive. That, and none of this time on release will count towards his pending sentence.
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Jan 23 '23
After the verdict, Barnett told reporters outside the court courthouse, “This is not a jury of my peers. I don’t agree with the decision, but I do appreciate the process and we are surely going to appeal.”
Maybe not a jury of your peers, fucko, but a jury of folks drawn from the area where the crime took place. Cry harder.
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u/StillBurningInside Jan 23 '23
This guy already got red flagged as a crazy maga head before Jan 6th. A local had posted in I believe it was r/parlorwatch . The typical gun lover showing pictures of his whole family holding guns, including his young daughter. And other pictures of him donating money to the local sheriff department. Like super boot licking crazy stuff. The OP said he was basically town asshole .
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u/Chaz_Hardplow Jan 23 '23
Self surrender is common in the Feds, under certain circumstances. I was able to self surrender for a low-level drug offense, so were many of the other low level guys that were there. Hell, even some of the SO's were able to do it. A lot of it has to do with housing availability, another part is giving someone enough rope to hang themselves. If he fucks up, it's a violation, if he doesn't show up, it's ascending and/or escape.
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Jan 23 '23
I knew it was a good idea for him to testify, he hanged himself.
Now he's whining that he didn't get a fair trial from a "jury of his peers".
He can find his Peers in federal prison. BUHBYE, Traitorous POS!
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Jan 23 '23
Some folks won't go to prison for insurrection, but then again some folk'll....it's Bigo the Slack Yawed Yokel.
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u/MuuaadDib Jan 23 '23
Wait, so you can't just take what isn't yours and put a quarter down to make it right? Who can imagine that being wrong....oh everyone.
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u/throw123454321purple Jan 23 '23
What worries me is that these sentences should be lifetime. I mean, a max sentence of twenty years is still enough time to build up anger and resentment, only to unleash it on the country again when you get out and are a felon with nothing to turn to except fellow released insurrectionists with axes to grind against society.
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u/waftedfart Jan 23 '23
At 82… if he makes it that long.
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u/Seeker80 Jan 23 '23
He'll be waving his cane and ranting against AOC & one of Obama's daughters in office.lol
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u/AreWeThereYet61 Jan 23 '23
Two hours to convict. Only thing going free that day was the jurors pizza lunch.
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u/vicarofvhs Jan 23 '23
As an Arkansan, I'd just like to say:
GOOD.
And the obligatory, woo-pig-sooieee.
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u/AustinBike Jan 24 '23
Jury reaches verdict in two hours.
“We’ll appeal!”
Good luck with that.
First you go to prison. Next you have to find a lawyer to take the case. Third you have to be able to pay them.
These guys are delusional, they think that they can just follow trump’s strategy of continually appealing everything. This will not end well for him when he learns how the world really works.
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u/3mta3jvq Jan 24 '23
“Bigo in the Big House” can be the title of his autobiography, he’s got lots of time to write it.
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u/jaguarthrone Jan 23 '23
The DOJ pitching another no hitter....if Biggo gets 10 years, it will be a perfect game!
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u/LeCheffre Jan 23 '23
Hopefully he gets a "bigo" sentence. Lots of time to sort out his thoughts, or join a white power gang to keep him from daily beatings in federal prison.
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u/buffyfan12 Light Bringer Jan 23 '23 edited Jan 23 '23
I am more happy with this verdict than with Rhodes and the Shaman.
BUT a reminder:
We have had a huge influx of Prison Rape "jokes" and sentiments supporting you know a violent act of sexual assault last week- and if you post it, even to be cute- your post will be pulled and you will be banned.
It is the second rule in the subreddit.