One of the most played, historical, and hate filled rivalries is coming back after more than a decade away next season, and I haven’t heard anyone talk about it.

[u/Lantis28]

The Border War (Kansas-Missouri) is coming back next year in week 3 for the first time since 2011 and I haven’t heard it mentioned at all on this sub. When the Backyard Brawl and Texas-Texas A&M were coming back, people mentioned it constantly even outside those fan bases. It’s been played the same amount of times as Texas-Oklahoma and has the same background in a war as Ohio State-Michigan. I’m so excited to watch this thing.

[u/ryan_from_school]

As a neutral, shittalk between fans of these teams is hilarious

[u/Kmjada → u/ryan_from_school]

I want to be neutral on this. I was born in Missouri and have a degree from Mizzou. So I should be a Tiger fan. But, I live on the Kansas side, and Missouri was very, VERY much in the wrong on the slavery issue, so I should be a Beaker. But I do not want to be a beaker....

[u/IcemanGeorge → u/Kmjada]

Don’t give too close of a look at Ole Miss

[u/ornryactor → u/IcemanGeorge]

Oof, good point. We should probably teach Ole Miss a lesson by giving Mizzou the death penalty.

[u/WTAP1 → u/IcemanGeorge]

Just point and laugh.

[u/BlackshirtDefense → u/Kmjada]

Mizzou forfeited the first Nebraska game because we had the audacity to have a black guy on the roster. 

[u/LovesToTango → u/BlackshirtDefense]

Yeah, the early 1900s weren't great for racism for Mizzou. Iowa stopped playing Mizzou because Iowa had a black player, and the fans in Columbia were racist and crazy.

[u/Cowboysfan36_ → u/LovesToTango]

One of the more regrettable aspects of Techs history is that we’re 4-2 against Arizona State all time despite sharing a conference for 20ish years. Why? Arizona State was integrated. Shameful but maybe not surprising considering Lubbock himself was a confederate

[u/CLU_Three → u/Kmjada]

Well I have good news for you, MU takes its mascot name from an anti bushwhacking group and the overwhelming majority of veterans from Missouri fought for the Union.

The reality is more complex than a black and white “this cartoon mascot supports slavery and the other doesn’t!” charade some would like to portray.

[u/buttcabbge → u/CLU_Three]

The Civil War line on the rivalry has always been a bit silly since both schools named their mascots to honor pro-union militia groups. Then as now, Lawrence and Columbia were pretty similar politically.

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/buttcabbge]

I can assure you Lawrence and Columbia are not similar politically now. Lawrence is about as left as you can get in the Midwest.

[u/NeverSober1900 → u/CLU_Three]

Ya I think a lot of people forget that Missouri and Kentucky, while being courted heavily by the Confederacy, remained Union states for the war

[u/UnitsToNesquikGuy → u/CLU_Three]

Amen! Go Cats

[u/WildcatPlumber → u/UnitsToNesquikGuy]

But only Purple cats!

[u/Apart-Ad-767 → u/CLU_Three]

What is an anti bushwhacking group? Isn’t bushwhacking another name for guerilla warfare?

[u/milkman163 → u/Kmjada]

The Missouri Tigers were on the right side of the slavery issue. Quantrill, on the other hand, was a terrorist and some of for our (bad) fans celebrate him. The University is and was pro-Union.

[u/rothbard_anarchist → u/milkman163]

We don’t celebrate him. We celebrate a good idea he carried out, is all.

[u/bradenb941]

The easiest way to fix the last weekend for SEC teams with out of conference rivals is to have Oklahoma schedule a series against Oklahoma State out of conference (easier said than done), have LSU play Arkansas, and have Missouri and Kansas schedule a continuous series.

[u/okiewxchaser → u/bradenb941]

Oklahoma-Nebraska or Oklahoma-Colorado would be better options IMO. A Thanksgiving Day OU-Nebraska game would literally drain my bank account

[u/HankChinaski- → u/okiewxchaser]

Every few years just rotate those two games and all three fanbases are in heaven.

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/HankChinaski-]

Or, hear me out, we bring back the Big 8.

And the PAC10 (+ Utah), SWC, and Big East while we're at it.

[u/HankChinaski- → u/A_Rolling_Baneling]

As long as Colorado/Nebraska is on the schedule every few years with any plan....I am in.

[u/definitivescribbles → u/A_Rolling_Baneling]

sorry. best we can do is CalFord in the Atlantic Coast Conference 

[u/TheMattThe → u/A_Rolling_Baneling]

Breaking up the College Football Association was a mistake.

[u/SusannaG1 → u/okiewxchaser]

Oh, I would feel like a little girl again. (Literally the first game I remember is Oklahoma-Nebraska, Thanksgiving 1971.)

[u/Caca_Face420 → u/okiewxchaser]

You’re just scared of Bedlam but I don’t blame ya

[u/BlackshirtDefense → u/okiewxchaser]

Year 1 & 2 - NU/OU

Year 3 & 4 - NU/KU and OU/CU 

Year 5 & 6 - NU/CU and OU/OK. State

Rinse and repeat. 

[u/Darth_Ra → u/okiewxchaser]

Eff that. Bedlam first. I would love to be playing Nebraska, but not playing oSu is a travesty that is everything wrong with the sport today.

[u/Reading_Rainboner → u/bradenb941]

Pass. They can play Nebraska and jizz themselves while they pretend it’s 1971 still.

[u/GoGreeb → u/Reading_Rainboner]

We should become rivals, I have room for more hate in my heart

[u/sunburntredneck → u/bradenb941]

SEC could go to a 9 game schedule for teams with SEC rivals and an 8 game schedule for teams with OOC rivals, but the rivalry could still count for W/L in standings

[u/master_bloseph → u/sunburntredneck]

This is definitely an interesting idea, but I’m not sure I would like the idea of a non-conference game counting for the conference standings.

[u/sererson → u/master_bloseph]

LSU is suddenly rushing to rekindle their in-state rivalry with Tulane

[u/RepealMCAandDTA → u/sererson]

Alabama: "I fucking hate Troy."

[u/Wasteland_Rang3r → u/sunburntredneck]

There’s no need to. You’ve already got Kentucky, Georgia, Florida and South Carolina playing OOC for rivalry week.

[u/rbtgoodson → u/bradenb941]

Woah! If the conference is going to push for anything then it should push for the return of Nebraska v. Oklahoma. Leave the Pokes to die on their own.

[u/Lantis28 → u/rbtgoodson]

Can’t. Nebraska plays Iowa every year on Black Friday as a rivalry

[u/NoisyMicrobe3 → u/Lantis28]

Look, with no due respect to Iowa, give us the Sooners we got programs to rebuild

[u/IcemanGeorge → u/Lantis28]

Give me el assico on rivalry weekend

[u/EMAWStorm → u/IcemanGeorge]

Hold on now, you're encroaching on Farmageddon territory. We started having that as the season finale and it's been fantastic

[u/Lantis28 → u/EMAWStorm]

Except next year when we open the season with it in Ireland for some reason

[u/bosdawg1 → u/Lantis28]

Plus the damn Big12 didn't protect it in 2027. It sucks that it's either going to have a gap year or we have to have it as an OOC game

[u/Lantis28 → u/IcemanGeorge]

I can’t have that nightmare that late in the season when it could potentially be important. We only won this year because we went down the field in the last 45 seconds and kicked a 50+ field goal. Having that game be the reason you potentially make or miss the playoffs would lower my life expectancy by years

[u/IcemanGeorge → u/Lantis28]

I get it, aggy game is going to do a number on me in the future I’m sure. But el assico In the snow? Real sicko shit

[u/Lantis28 → u/IcemanGeorge]

I can only imagine the Iowa offense and our ST playing in two inches of snow with a potential playoff game on the line. 3-2 classic

[u/fleeingpepper → u/rbtgoodson]

What he say fuck me for?

[u/AcadianTraverse]

I loved that the Border War was a pivotal game in the craziness of the 2007 season. At least I believe it was if I'm remembering correctly.

[u/Set-Admirable → u/AcadianTraverse]

That unfortunately wasn't the biggest deciding rivalry game that year.

[u/potterpockets → u/Set-Admirable]

Right? Imagine thinking that matters compared to the hate filled rivalry of Rutgers vs USF.

[u/Il_Tenente → u/AcadianTraverse]

Yes. And then Kansas still ended up going to the Orange Bowl where they beat Virginia Tech and Mark Mangino became a legend and there's no way that just two years later Kansas would do something as dumb as fire him and then hire Turner Gill, who by all accounts was a good human being but not a very good FBS coach, who would then be fired and Kansas would then hire Charlie Weis, who by all accounts was a much less pleasant human being who was only there to try and jump start his son's coaching career, and also not a very good football coach, and then paid him a bunch of money not to coach anymore, and then Kansis hired David Beaty, who had no business being given a head coaching job, let alone a Power Conference Job, but KU was paying so much to Weis not to coach that they couldn't pay an actual qualified coach, and then eventually they raised enough money to fire him and then hire Les Miles, but it turned out there were a lot of skeletons in Miles' closet and maybe it wasn't such a good idea to have an AD hire his good friend and they both should be fired, and only then did Kansas finally make a good decision and hire Lance Leipold, who in just four seasons has already won more games than all the coaches in the previous eleven seasons since Mangino was fired combined.

[u/bosdawg1 → u/Il_Tenente]

Personally I've had a lot of fun the last 16 years for this hilarious dumpster fire

[u/DWill23_ → u/AcadianTraverse]

2007 was arguably the craziest season in college football history, and it came down to a simple rule:

If you're ranked NO. 2, you will be upset

This was one of those games

[u/CLU_Three → u/AcadianTraverse]

It was, and I think that (relatively) recent memory has clouded people’s perception of how big the Border War rivalry has consistently been.

[u/Lantis28 → u/CLU_Three]

It’s big to them and played a lot

[u/CLU_Three → u/Lantis28]

Oh yeah it’s big for both fanbases, absolutely. And it was huge that year nationally as well. I think regional rivalries should be played more, including that one.

I do think that since it’s been discontinued, the Border War is viewed online through romantic rose tinted glasses. As a proponent of regional games, I get that to an extent but people seem to talk about 07 as the norm for atmosphere and energy around the rivalry.

[u/im-on-my-ninth-life → u/AcadianTraverse]

Yes it determined the Big 12 north champion. Unfortunately Kansas benefited from losing it, because Missouri would advance only to lose to Oklahoma

[u/DrSnidely]

I hate that unchecked conference expansion has killed so many of these games. Rivalries like this are what college football was built on.

[u/TheAsianDegrader → u/DrSnidely]

Killed some, but then brought back Texas-A&M.

Also established Iowa-Nebraska. Also reunited CU with several old Big 8 brethren. Also made the Holy War (the UT one) annual again. Tried to make PSU-OSU a rivalry.

[u/DrSnidely → u/TheAsianDegrader]

True but on balance I think it's done more harm than good. I know I'm not keen on losing the Tennessee game so we can play Oklahoma.

[u/Doogitywoogity → u/DrSnidely]

Once we expand to the 1 division 263 team super league that’s totally going to happen I’m sure everything will be resolved and regionality will be restored. Right? Right?

[u/rothbard_anarchist → u/DrSnidely]

That one is really on Texas. They insisted on their Longhorn network, and managed to be such twits about it that they derailed any hope for a Big 12 network, eventually blowing up the conference. Everyone who had a lifeboat jumped ship.

[u/tony971]

has the same background in a war as Ohio State-Michigan

They fought over whether slavery was okay. We fought over who had to take Toledo. Our rivalry will always be more petty.

[u/Engunnear → u/tony971]

The UP is still the greatest consolation prize of all time. 

[u/tony971 → u/Engunnear]

Just like the B1G East/West championship games, the real loser of Ohio-Michigan was Wisconsin

[u/Threedawg → u/tony971]

They were too drunk to notice

[u/WhenIntegralsAttack2 → u/Engunnear]

Funnily enough, the University of Michigan itself may be the greatest conciliation prize. Ann Arbor petitioned to be the state capital and lost, then petitioned to host the state prison, which it again lost. As a bronze medal prize, it was chosen as the site of the first state university.

I think Ann Arbor is much happier hosting UMich than a prison lol.

Source: a book on the history of umich sitting on my shelf whose name I forgot, opening chapter.

[u/Deep_Contribution552 → u/WhenIntegralsAttack2]

“We want the prisoners!” “Sorry, you’re going to have to take the college students instead.”

[u/DokterZ → u/Deep_Contribution552]

“But we don’t want Irish!”

[u/Josh_Lyman2024 → u/DokterZ]

If you ever want to know why Notre Dame isn't in the Big Ten you can just blame Michigan, racism, and anti-Catholic sentiment.

[u/WhenIntegralsAttack2 → u/Josh_Lyman2024]

And now half the student body is southeast Michigan Catholics

[u/WhenIntegralsAttack2 → u/Deep_Contribution552]

Ugh, much worse

[u/wordsonascreen → u/WhenIntegralsAttack2]

Similar thing happened in Arizona. Phoenix had first choice of territorial institutions, and gleefully selected the capitol and the state mental hospital. Tucson was granted the university as a consolation.

[u/Lantis28 → u/wordsonascreen]

What an odd choice of two things to want

[u/CLU_Three → u/WhenIntegralsAttack2]

This is how Lawrence got KU, actually.

Topeka went for the state Capitol, Leavenworth went for the penitentiary, Manhattan went for the state college. Lawrence wanted the Capitol AND state college.

Iirc Topeka and Leavenworth got awarded their prizes relatively early on. And Manhattan was the favorite for the state university since it was (more) centrally located and already had a (barely) operating college.

When Lawrence realized they were missing out on a state institution they did some last minute politicizing and struck a deal to split up higher education. Manhattan ended up with the Ag & Mech Science college, Emporia got the teachers college, and Lawrence (if it could raise the money) got the state university.

[u/EMAWStorm → u/CLU_Three]

And they needed a tiebreaker vote from the Liutenant Gov (who was from Lawrence) to get the nod over Emporia. Lawrence was very close to having nothing

[u/JohnPaulDavyJones → u/Engunnear]

Gorgeous country up there, but those people make the folks out in west Texas seem normal.

The yoopers are not well.

[u/Potchum → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

That's what living in 12 feet of snow 8 months out of the year will do to a person.

[u/MaizeAndBruin → u/Potchum]

It's like The Shining in real life.

[u/EmbarrassedAward9871 → u/Potchum]

One of these days I’m gonna ski with all the crazies at Mount Bohemia and it will be glorious

[u/Potchum → u/EmbarrassedAward9871]

Cat ski Voodoo Mountain and stay in a Yurt at the base of the mountain for the true experience.

[u/scottyarfburner → u/JohnPaulDavyJones]

I mean yeah, they could be Lions fans and they’re Packer fans instead. Crazy people

[u/Teaboo22222 → u/Engunnear]

Unless you're Wisconsin.

[u/Imawildedible → u/Teaboo22222]

Absolute bullshit.

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/Engunnear]

That film starts out amazing but really just falls apart as it goes on.

[u/Engunnear → u/CantaloupeCamper]

I’m so confused…

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/Engunnear]

^{UP, the movie...}

^{I'm going for a really weird misunderstanding kinda reference joke here. Might not work.}

[u/No_Place553 → u/tony971]

Love this comment so much.
Ohio - we want Toledo Michigan - we want Toledo, let's fight about it. There's a man with a heart attack who dies. US government to Michigan - Wanna be a state? Michigan - Yas! US Government - Okay, well, Ohio gets Toledo. Michigan - Yas! Ohio - Yas! Everyone else - WTF

[u/knownbuyer1 → u/No_Place553]

You also forgot about other casualty which was a cow that got shot

[u/AntawnSL → u/knownbuyer1]

Justice for Bessie!

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/knownbuyer1]

Texas fans cover your ears

[u/Gallahadion → u/knownbuyer1]

And the sheriff's deputy who got stabbed in the leg with a pen knife.

[u/sokuyari99 → u/tony971]

Are saying Toledo isn’t worse than hundreds of years of Chattel slavery?

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/sokuyari99]

I haven't been to Toledo ...

[u/ExpoLima → u/tony971]

I think Wisconsin should chime in as well. They had to give up rights to the Upper Peninsula after all.

[u/potterpockets → u/tony971]

What i came here to say. Lmao. And not only that, but i am fairly certain our "fight" was like a handful of dudes that fired off a few shots over the heads of each other. 0 deaths and 1 wounded total. Bit of a far cry from Bleeding Kansas

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/tony971]

And then both of you joined the Big Ten and Toledo joined the MAC, so was it really worth it?

[u/DWill23_ → u/_baby_fish_mouth_]

Yes

[u/Kmjada → u/tony971]

Loser took Toledo, right? (not being sarcastic)

And Michigan took the Yoopers as compensation?

[u/Ometrist → u/tony971]

This has “we are not the same” meme energy, it’s perfect

[u/CLU_Three → u/tony971]

Well that’s what the cartoon narrative (literally, with the mascots) has become but the reality is way more complicated than that.

[u/PrometheusTNO → u/tony971]

I'll never forgive Michigan for not taking Toledo.

[u/peterpeterllini]

Hell yeah. so excited for this to come back. I hope we eventually transition to playing every year, or at least every other (with Illinois on the off-years).

[u/ornryactor → u/peterpeterllini]

Since when was Illinois a thing that Mizzou fans cared about? Is there even much of a series there in the last 50 years? We spent all that time together in the XII and I can't remember ever once hearing a Mizzou fan talk about wanting to play Illinois, yet all of a sudden it's a frequent topic in the last 3 weeks. I don't get it.

[u/tlopez14 → u/peterpeterllini]

So are the Illinois games sandwiched between those? Wouldn’t think you guys would want to play both in the same year. I believe they’re supposed to be campus games this time instead of St Louis.

[u/peterpeterllini → u/tlopez14]

I forgot they announced that series lol. So it seems like we are gonna play both ku and Illinois, nice! In 2026 at least.

[u/Lantis28 → u/peterpeterllini]

As of now it’s home and home and then home and home again in 29 and 30

[u/FitReception3550]

If you need a history lesson (Musberger announcing) and want to watch an amazing game;

Mizzou (#4) vs Kansas (#2) in 2007

You’ll feel it through the tv.

[u/CLU_Three → u/FitReception3550]

Why would I need a “history lesson” for something that happened less than a decade ago… wait a minute

[u/FitReception3550 → u/CLU_Three]

KSU fan doesn’t even know how long a decade is…checks out

[u/awildyetti]

Obligatory fuck kU

[u/Dongsquad420BlazeIt → u/awildyetti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkkklm1i7fg

[u/ndbroski]

John Brown did nothing wrong

[u/Fifth_Down → u/ndbroski]

He really should be on par with Washington & Lincoln on the list of greatest Americans ever considering he fought against the ultimate evil despite the odds being stacked well against him to the point of death. But ya know, who wanted to glorify such a historical figure in a country that needed another 100 years after that to decide if black people were allowed to use the same water fountain as their white counterparts.

[u/AntawnSL → u/Fifth_Down]

An interesting historical comparison between justifying John Brown's terrorism and where we are now with Luigi or wherever our society is going.

[u/FearTheAmish → u/AntawnSL]

Sid Hatfield is another I hear popup

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/FearTheAmish]

They don't even teach about Matewan, Ludlow, Blair Mountain, Homestead, etc. in this country. Not just cops and sheriffs, but Pinkertons, scabs, and even the National Guard frequently fired on and massacred striking workers in the late 19th-early 20th century.

It was the last time we had a genuine labor movement in this country, a direct reaction to the robber baron practices of the 19th century. It ended child labor and got us weekends off. And while the movement was eventually curtailed by the oligarchs and their weapons, it at least defined the Overton window; public opinion of labor was much different than it is now.

Think about how readily unions are demonized nowadays. And think about a politician proposing FDR's Second Bill of Rights today; they'd be treated like the reincarnation of Lenin. Bernie was treated much worse than FDR and he was asking for much less. Eugene V Debs ran for POTUS as a Socialist 5 times in the early 20th century, often getting ~5% of the vote, one time from a prison cell. I didn't hear his name once in history class.

The powers that be are terrified that we learn from that era of history because the new era of robber barons are here. After a brief period of middle class prosperity in post-war America (provided you were an able-bodied WASP man), we're back to being poor and exploited. But we can turn it around. We need them to be scared.

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/Fifth_Down]

He got a song ...

[u/FearTheAmish → u/CantaloupeCamper]

A god damn banger of a song.

[u/rnilbog → u/CantaloupeCamper]

I think the song is pretty good. 

[u/UNC_Samurai → u/ndbroski]

Operationally/tactically, he did a number of things wrong.

[u/hankrhoads → u/ndbroski]

One thing I agree with Jayhawk fans about 

[u/MCV16 → u/hankrhoads]

🤝

[u/rnilbog → u/ndbroski]

John Brown’s body lies a-moulderin’ in the grave, and to hell with Georgia Tech!

[u/CollegeRulez]

I would like to remind everyone that Kansas went 11-1 in 2007 and won an Orange Bowl.

11 and 1! Can you believe it? They only lost one game that year. Just one silly, meaningless, little football game.

What a great year for them that was

[u/stilljustkeyrock → u/CollegeRulez]

Ho many BCS bowls has Mizzou won?

[u/BringMeDatBussy]

Alexa, play mr brightside

[u/CantaloupeCamper]

They should get their own stickied thread for shit talk.

[u/LOLteacher]

One great thing about THAT "War" is that it's even more ferocious in basketball.

[u/squidward_train]

I have been talking about it, fuck Kansas

[u/Lantis28 → u/squidward_train]

I would assume you guys never stopped talking about it

[u/squidward_train → u/Lantis28]

I think a big reason people talked about TAMU v Texas more might be because Texas has so many major metro areas tied in to that game. Houston, DFW, Austin/SA. If you go to StL and KC, this game is a big deal, just less people between the two to have an online presence.

[u/Lantis28 → u/squidward_train]

Backyard Brawl is Pitt-WV

[u/squidward_train → u/Lantis28]

Sorry I’m stupid, whatever TAMU vs Texas is called

[u/Lantis28 → u/squidward_train]

Yeah it’s technically called the Lonestar Showdown but it’s really just Texas-Texas A&M

[u/CLU_Three → u/squidward_train]

Hey what did we do

[u/chrissb1e → u/squidward_train]

Amen

[u/Regular-Surround-730]

The Game: Western edition

I'm fucking in

[u/Lantis28 → u/Regular-Surround-730]

Look up the 2007 game between #2 Kansas and #4 Missouri to go to the Big 12 title game. Apparently it was legendary

[u/Pristine_Dig_4374]

Had ku not hilariously shit the bed this year, it’d probably have a bunch of hype as a most likely top 25 early season matchup, but kansas gonna kansas

[u/sirisirisir1201 → u/Pristine_Dig_4374]

Good News!

We got rid of the OC that caused all that and promoted the guy who took play calling back for the last 6 games and the 3 top 25 wins!

We're also losing a ton of talent so I have no idea what to expect next year

[u/CollegeRulez → u/Pristine_Dig_4374]

Don’t underestimate Kansas. They had 3 more top 25 wins than we did.

(But, I absolutely laughed at their misfortune this year)

[u/n00bca1e99 → u/CollegeRulez]

Watching the KU season as a semi-neutral (my sister went there) was very amusing. Reminded me a lot of the 2021 Huskers season except for three of the last four games.

[u/Lantis28 → u/Pristine_Dig_4374]

Y’all will probably get Gameday regardless of record but definitely if they both start 2-0

[u/tragicallyohio]

This is how I will always think of that rivalry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyp9VLq_Y4&ab_channel=KSportsArchives

[u/foreverseptember → u/tragicallyohio]

Thanks, I've got my background video for the rest of the workday! 

[u/Brelician]

Before it ended the border war was the second longest running continuous rivalry game like one game behind Wisconsin v Minnesota.

[u/MCV16]

I knew what you were talking about before I even finished the title

[u/kingoftheplastics]

Living in Missouri for the past 4-5 years I’ve adopted Mizzou as my third team. Fun fact: the Tigers name comes from the Missouri Tigers, a pro-Union militia that ran the Confederate collaborationist government out of Columbia and Jefferson City. Everyone knows about Bleeding Kansas but Missouri was just as bad if not worse for the amount of, for lack of a better term, guerrilla warfare that went on between communities in the state.

[u/Pitt_Is_It_2009]

Sweet! Rivalries are what college football is all about. I wished we played WVU and PSU every year.

[u/DrVenusAg → u/Pitt_Is_It_2009]

Same with us and A&M but they keep leaving us on read

[u/brak_obama → u/DrVenusAg]

We’re stuck together, friend. 

[u/GiganticOrange]

I don’t think people outside of these two states understand the vitriol still alive at the border. You have to understand that there are people whose grandparents heard firsthand witnesses of Bleeding Kansas tell their stories. That type of hatred doesn’t disappear overnight.

[u/stumblebreak_beta → u/GiganticOrange]

https://i.redd.it/1mqdli69drod1.jpeg

[u/rbtgoodson]

Honestly, I had no idea it was returning. Good for them.

[u/jah05r]

Excited for the return of any rivalry, especially one that originated in an actual war between the states.

[u/RemoteAbalone8687]

Fun fact this rivalry has been around before cars existed

[u/nayelirain]

Wasn't this always bigger in basketball?

[u/Pristine_Dig_4374 → u/nayelirain]

Yeah, but it has been played for ever. Was like 3rd longest running game until realignment.

[u/Lantis28 → u/Pristine_Dig_4374]

Second actually. I looked it up before posting this

[u/Lantis28 → u/nayelirain]

Maybe but it’s still been played 120 times

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/nayelirain]

outside of 2007, yes.

[u/shadowwingnut → u/nayelirain]

Yes and they've gotten back together in basketball already. Missouri actually upset Kansas this year.

[u/im-on-my-ninth-life → u/shadowwingnut]

Also Missouri basketball started sucking when they moved to the SEC

[u/buttcabbge → u/nayelirain]

From about 1980 to the present, absolutely--they obviously have the overall advantage, but Mizzou was throughout that period the Big 8/Big 12 team most likely to pull an upset over them. And Mizzou did win the #1 vs. #2 game in Lawrence in 1990.

[u/kmiz18]

Fuck kU

[u/NandorRobinson]

I thought it was UConn-UCF.

[u/Darth_Pookee]

Still remember the Border War where both teams were top 5 ranked. That was epic!!!

[u/dieselengine9]

I'm glad that our hate is clean and old fashioned. The old bleeding Kansas is hard to even read about.

[u/MCV16 → u/dieselengine9]

I was going to reply something thoughtful, clever, or maybe even snarky, but I just hate them and their absolutely awful place of a state. That’s all.

[u/ZoodleNoodle12]

One of these rivalries that make me afraid for the attendees.

Truly deep levels of hate between these states

[u/Lantis28 → u/ZoodleNoodle12]

Some commentators made a point a few years back that maybe the break was a good thing because the hate got to such unsustainable levels

[u/buttcabbge → u/Lantis28]

It's honestly a little unhealthy. A couple months ago I commented to my wife that I get much less worked up emotionally about my teams losing than I used to, and I think it's because some teams I root for have won some championships in recent years (Chiefs especially, but also Royals and Sporting KC). She agreed that I've chilled, but said that as near as she could tell the main reason is that Mizzou and Kansas stopped playing. She might have a point.

[u/Nezy37]

I feel like the war between kansas and Missouri was way more bloody and fueled way more hate than toledo did. Really cool history there obviously, glad to see it back.

[u/Maleficent_Guide_708]

One of my all time favorite rivalries to be a fly on the wall for back in the day. The longevity, trash talk, pure cinema.

[u/AtticusDutch]

Opinion: I think some rivalry games should be moved earlier into the season. Having so many rivalries in week 14 means I can't watch most of them especially if I am watching t.u vs Texas AMC in person.

[u/rothbard_anarchist]

I would like to point out that the Border War has been revived already in basketball, and that Mizzou beat up on #1 kansas this season. At one point we were up by 20+ points.

[u/Lantis28 → u/rothbard_anarchist]

Yeah but not in football, which I realize is really second fiddle in this rivalry, but still interesting

[u/kingoftheplastics → u/rothbard_anarchist]

That was glorious. My pastor who is a die hard KU fan Kansas born and raised called an early sermon that Sunday so everyone could get home and watch and the following Sunday there were as many MIZs in church as Amens

[u/MikeDatTiger]

I didn’t know this; that’s awesome!

[u/Express_Cattle1]

Only one state can own Kansas City, and this game will decide its fate.

[u/bradenb941 → u/Express_Cattle1]

What if Kansas beats Missouri but loses to Kansas State? Does Kansas State get Kansas City?

[u/okiewxchaser → u/Express_Cattle1]

Somehow that state is Nebraska

[u/fm22fnam]

I know it isn't as big of a rivalry as OSU/Michigan, but their whole war thing was definitely a lot more real than our war thing.

Glory to Kansas. The Union forever! (Mods better allow Civil War comments in the thread)

[u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

Is Kansas supposed to be good next year? I'm not a Beau believer but Mizzou will at least have offseason hype, maybe it's because the teams aren't projected to play a close game? Not saying that's how I think it'll turn out

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

We've had a pretty good transfer class, we're rated at #2 for that.

How good we are will heavily depend on QB play but regardless it's a game Mizzou should not lose.

Edit: Can't find the source for the #2 transfer class, I know I saw it on twitter. Regardless, 247 has us at #10

[u/BoogerSugarSovereign → u/penisthightrap_]

Yeah, if I'm wrong about Pribula Missouri will probably be a CFP contender they have all their toughest games at home this year so they're set up for a big year if Beau is actually a dude

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

Exactly. If Pribula is good we should be looking at the playoffs. If he's just decent we should be at 8 wins or so. Regardless, our programs in good shape and shouldn't drop a game to kansas. But shit happens, especially in rivalry games.

[u/BruvIsYouGood → u/penisthightrap_]

Stop say if, Beaulieve and your dreams will come true. He leaves it all out on the field and looked trace mcsorley esque against Wisconsin.

[u/kmiz18 → u/penisthightrap_]

On3 has us #2 behind only Texas Tech.

[u/penisthightrap_ → u/kmiz18]

Appreciate it

[u/CollegeRulez → u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

They’ll have their veteran QB (Jalon Daniels) back. And Mizzou will need to replace a ton of talent.

It’ll be a close game, regardless

[u/sirisirisir1201 → u/BoogerSugarSovereign]

we got rid of the OC who most people blame for the 1-5 start and promoted the guy that took a lot of play calling responsibilities in the back half of the season

We also lose a ton of talent but got a new DC and Lance has been good at getting tranfers, itll be interesting

[u/Teaboo22222]

Would you recommend watching Ang Lee's Ride With the Devil right before the game?

[u/ToastedRav]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/36yvC4F4xRM

[u/Unique_Feed_2939]

We need Nebraska vs Oklahoma Oklahoma vs OSU Nebraska vs Kansas Etc

[u/John-pirate_]

ive never even heard of it...

[u/logicalcommenter4]

I think the issue is this sounds like more of a local rivalry than a national game such as OSU vs Michigan.

[u/Archaic_1]

Added bonus, both teams should be pretty good and the game should be meaningful.

[u/iamadrumychusama]

Columbia is in the middle of Missouri. How tf is this a "border" war?