I really wish people would kill this narrative. Most americans are BARELY keeping their heads above water. People are going to sacrifice anyone to gain a morsel of security. The 1% want us atomized and at each others throats and unable to unite against them.
It is worth remembering that Obama won two elections on the back of promising people something to hope for. Bernie nearly upended the order of the democratic party on the back of a radically progressive vision for america until the democratic establishment and Obama killed his campaigns in the crib. People want a way out. Trump offers one - get rid of society's undesirables and unleash big business to drown our economy in surplus. It is bullshit, but as I said before, most americans are so mired in their own struggles they cant take the time to pick apart anything he says.
We need real leadership - only then will we be inoculated against demagogues like Trump.
Sacrifice what? People “trying to keep their heads above water” elected the 1% elite they fear! They are doing what comes next to themselves.
They believed a known liar and conman who told them what they wanted to hear, which was hate and somebody else to blame (illegal immigrants and democrats).
They 100# deserve what happens next, whether that be losing their homes or their jobs when trump hits the economy.
Nothing there involved even a fraction of reason. Fuck em. People will die because of these selfish people.
DNC is manipulated by the same lobbyists and beholden to the same masters as the RNC. Remember Kamala bragging about how she has the approval of Goldman Sachs and Dick Cheney?
You're right. I do lack empathy. I lack empathy for those who are too stupid to acknowledge that they are wrong and are the enemy that they accused everyone else of being. It's called the paradox of tolerance. Anyone who supports this post proves that they are the problem. "Anyone but an old white man." Three separate forms of discrimination exposed all in one comment.
You're right. I do lack empathy. I lack empathy for those who are too stupid to acknowledge that they are wrong and are the enemy that they accused everyone else of being. It's called the paradox of tolerance.
I think I may have misunderstood the context of youe reply to the other user. If you look at my comments, I'm having the same paradpx of tolerance discussion with another Trumper.
Apologies for any confusion.
Oh no, you're just too dull to realize that being left leaning that you are the target of the paradox. There is a reason the democratic party is shrinking as fast as it is. There is a reason the democratic party is calling moderates extremists. There are plenty of dull Trump supporters, but a Democrat is far far worse. It's truly pathetic how far the party has fallen in a couple short decades.
I get your anger and frustration. My point of view is that Democrats need to get their messaging out online with internet supremacy. Republicans have dominated it for too long. They need to get in the face of people the way AOC does. She reaches out every day to her supporters on instagram and other sites. Answers people's questions and reads their ideas. She makes them feel like they're part of the job, like a board member to a corporation. I think every Democrat politician needs to do the same thing, no matter if they like it or not. If f you're not using a medium, someone else will.
Democrats cannot message their way out of this. They do not have a policies that could even begin to address the systemic problems facing most americans today. Defeating Trump should be a gimme. It should be EASY. Dems have lost to him twice and barely scraped out a meager victory on the back of a massive pandemic that killed a million americans and afflicted tens of millions more. No amount of "Progressive Joe Rogans" are going to fix this...especially since in 2016 the "Bernie bros" and the "brogressives" were mocked and summarily dismissed by the DNC. The dems are not the party of progressivism. They are controlled opposition by the 1% - just google what the CEO of Blackrock said about the outcome of this past election. They dont care because they own whoever wins.
😂😂Joe Rogan isn't a progressive. But that’s beside the point. Messaging is the key to selling an agenda. Back in the olden days, they use to hire kids to stand on street corners to sell newspapers. They yell "read all about it!" And a stack of newspapers would be gone quickly. That's how the news use to get out. Today, using that analogy, the Democrats are trying to sell those newspapers inside a cushy office on the 50th floor. No one can hear them shouting "read all about it!" But you know who occupies that street corner now? MAGA. If you think that didn't impact the election this year, you're not understanding my point. Too many old school politicians are running the show in the DNC. They think using the internet is beneath them. That's why some don't like AOC, because they think she's being an attention whore by trying to connect with her base through the internet. She understands the population better than Nancy Pelosi because Nancy is stuck in the past. There is this seniority culture in the Democrat party that's keeping younger politicians out of the spotlight because the older ones feel entitled to being party leaders. The solution to that is of course term limits.
Above what water? Yours is a first world country with a homelessness rate smaller than 1%, and the basic payments are well above many other countries in the world. I'm not saying you're a paradise, but your country is privileged.
The decision of Trump is nothing else but a whim on the desire for a more familiar evil that makes Americans feel powerful again, not for survival but for prides' sake.
You might want to look past the propaganda about what life is actually like in the US. Homelessness should not exist in a country with as much available land, housing, and surplus production. Childhood food insecurity is a serious problem. The cost of housing, food, medicine, child care, and elder care are all spiralling out of control. The averages that many countries could reliably use to describe their country's conditions are meaningless in a country as unequal as ours. Look at median incomes, median home prices, median costs of raising a child and look at them state by state and compare that to a decade ago and then 3 decades ago. Those at the top live better than any Pharaoh could ever dream while those at the bottom genuinely live paycheck to paycheck and often barely even then.
Fortunately, the majority are not putting their hopes in someone who promised to take from others to give to others. The majority of the people in this country take personal responsibility and want to keep what they earned. If you’re waiting for someone else to provide for you, you are in the wrong country. We’ve had enough!
Far and away the most subsidized group of people in this country are those at the top. We are always redistributing wealth. You just seem to prefer sending it to those who already have more than they could ever spend. Hows that boot taste?
I would say heads of corporations provide much more benefit to their employees than a homeless person does. Without the corporate leaders , the employees would not have jobs. Like a football team, you want to pay the quarterback the most money if they win games. Corporate executives are no different. You want the best person in the industry running your company. Most corporate heads work tirelessly seven days a week. many times at the expensive their friends and family. You on the other hand, will cheer for an athlete that makes hundreds of millions of dollars and only works three months out of the year and succeeds only one out of three times. Your side really thrives on class envy. You should consider Emulating people with strong work ethics rather than complain about your lot in life.
I am a data scientist and I make 6 figures a year. I am doing ok. I care about the worse off and I hate bullies. The 1% are demons of greed and they should be treated as such.
Why would anyone care about taking the time to pick apart anything Trump says when everything was grand under him the first time? Obviously he doesn't have the charismatic nature Obama had in his pinky, and people came around to the fact that they were lied to under Obama.
You're right, it would be great to have real leadership. As a society, we are too divided to accept real leadership, though. When one side can't stop fear mongering and spewing vulgar propaganda while calling literal moderates extremists, what more do you expect? How can someone hold a set of values and change party be labeled as extremist? Does that mean the original party is the real face of extremism?
It really is no wonder that Independents now make up the second largest political affiliation while support for that third party has been left to the radicals.
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u/akotlya1 1d ago
I really wish people would kill this narrative. Most americans are BARELY keeping their heads above water. People are going to sacrifice anyone to gain a morsel of security. The 1% want us atomized and at each others throats and unable to unite against them.
It is worth remembering that Obama won two elections on the back of promising people something to hope for. Bernie nearly upended the order of the democratic party on the back of a radically progressive vision for america until the democratic establishment and Obama killed his campaigns in the crib. People want a way out. Trump offers one - get rid of society's undesirables and unleash big business to drown our economy in surplus. It is bullshit, but as I said before, most americans are so mired in their own struggles they cant take the time to pick apart anything he says.
We need real leadership - only then will we be inoculated against demagogues like Trump.