That's pretty much it. People cringed when trump said at one of his rallies "they're nominating a WOMAN? and a BLACK WOMAN at that?"
But he's not wrong. Our country is both racist and sexist, and there was no way harris was going to win because she was a black woman.
Even if she had actually won a democratic primary, and became the nominee in any sort of legitimate manner, it wouldn't have mattered because the people of this country would not see a woman, black or white, lead the country.
I wish it was different. But as you said, your values, and my values, do not reflect the values of the majority of the country.
I worked in large manufacturing facilities a long time. It very racially diverse. When Hillary ran against Trump I was fairly shocked to hear many of our black & spanish men make very sexist and vulgar remarks, telling me they would never tolerate a woman in that office. I learned that such attitudes are not just white men.
Shame on you for pointing out some thing that has been so obvious in the Black community for hundreds of years. You know, most of these people live in the made up fantasy land of their mind.
I disagree. We elected a black man, Obama, and women outnumber men registered voters since the 80s. Also countries far more sexist than we are have elected female leaders. The best example I can think of is India, who elected a female prime minister. It's also a country with frequent honor killings, acid attacks, and other horrific crimes against women.
Didn't pop up, already tried to Google it. I don't think he actually says half the stuff he's accused of say, is all. Like we glossed over the "y'all ain't really black" stuff from biden, and the accent changes depending on racial makeup of the room by Harris and instead we focus on making things up for Trump to say. 🤷🏽♂️ I don't get it.
Nothing to do with the fact she was a terrible candidate, didn't win a primary and when she ran on her own, she was fifth? In her home state (CALIFORNIA) in 2020 primary (she dropped out late 2019 as memory serves)..
Disregard all that, if America doesn't vote for arguably worst candidate in modern history it's because America is racist (pay no attention to Obama winning potus 🙄 for 2 teams).
simply wrong. if whitman or damn near any other woman politician, whether democratic or republican, besides like a select 5 counting harris, they would’ve won. you can’t throw out the most unqualified, shadiest candidate, still in the shadow of sleepy joe, who can’t even get what race she is let alone her talking points straight, and expect it to be a landslide. and then the DNC didn’t even campaign, just spent the whole season screaming “Trump Bad!!” like a child throwing a tantrum, but no let’s ignore the various reasons why she lost and just go “well clearly everyone’s just sexist and racist” like it wasn’t just the fact that she shouldn’t have even been a politician in the first place let alone a presidential candidate. the point is that no one blamed it on sex when hillary lost, why’s that? maybe because no one liked her either cuz she was shady asf and full of scandal, just like harris.
There are black women who could win, but Kamala Harris wasn’t it. Michelle Obama probably would have polled better, and I’d be surprised if she wouldn’t had blasted Kamala out of the water for the primary.
It didn't matter that Harris is black and a woman. It mattered that her campaign was trash and people are tired of the hypocrisy and fear mongering from her party.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
America survived racism
Recall ' Merica was the first to end slavery .
It took a brutal war , but three major global wars later and yer stuck with weak ass ideology.
America IS western ideology!
Don't like it ,? you're FREE to leave .
But your type never does bc you know damn well there's no place better .
This is why I want to bring back mandatory military service .
In fact it's so bad , millions from other places of socialist failure are flooding in , aided by socialist democrats .
Are you unable to make the connection ?
Get a gun grab a post or personally continue to be part of the problem .
If that was true MLK speech would not be taught in every school. So if you grew up in an area that sees black women as inferior, it’s not the view of the country, it’s the view of your local community. 🤔
By your statement, I can tell your side is very calm, understanding and accepting.
We laugh at how your imagery accusations towards the right are such a projection of the lefts actions.
I feel that neither the left or right are the source of the problem. They are just the tools in which big donors can get their private agendas realized. Both parties have their priorities, sure, but it is the broken system that needs to be attacked, not the majority of his/her or republicans/democrats that are the actual issue here. (Barring some extreme views) Both parties have failed us as a people in different ways, and I really hope in my lifetime I get to see a government that is actually for the people and not for the big donors.
Edit: We all want the same thing at t he end of the day. To live the American dream that was 'passed' down to us by our forefathers.
Oh please, Trump couldn’t even get Mexico to pay for his little wall. He failed on the border in his first administration, and he’s gonna fail again, because he’s a toddler.
No shit. You people do realize up until about 100 days before the election you had an old white dementia patient as the frontrunner of your party right? Then decided to (AGAIN!) not run a primary because you know best & picked the candidate first on the chopping block back in 2020 to be your candidate. And then shocked you lost? Democracy in action kids....
Thank you. There are few voices of reason on this sub and it is refreshing when they post. We get downvoted but who cares, the truth hurts those that are afraid to face reality.
Amen brother. The downvotes don't bother me or my "karma" one bit haha. It's gonna happen. Reddit is literally the biggest leftist echo chamber left in America so naturally we're gonna get some backlash. But if I listened to Reddit I'd of been sure Kamala Harris was gonna win 80% of the votes, turn Texas blue & we'd be giggling right along with her dumbass. But Reddit is not reality 😄
Maybe it was because she was an awful VP that oversaw the worst border crisis in American History and supported the policies of inflation. That why libs are so unsuccessful, they always blame others for their shortcomings.
Good job for finally doing the bare minimum to reasonably participate in a conversation.
As usual, Republicans are doing the work for Democrats.
As usual, Reoublicans are free-riders who want yo insist upon their arguments without sources, because I should just "take your word for it". Delusional.
And I could care less if I’m taken serious by a buffoon.
Considering your own boarish, bombastic, buffoonish nature, nobody cares what you think either.
What? Are you fucking high? Who was upset because she was a black woman, most people didn’t even believe she was black.
She was a hustler who locked up many non violent drug offenders and parents, she would change her opinions on a dime, these opinions being election important and specific opinions. This is why she lost harder than any other democrat, not because she was black, otherwise Obama would have not won the popular vote.
So what is the difference between a talking point and a fact because what you said was a talking point originally, but I met it with facts, which you called a talking point.
We can discuss numbers and sources if you would like.
The comment said hateful country, not republicans are a hateful party, and there’s no need to divide on party lines. The most vocal extremists on either side are totally gross.
And the even sadder part is that they are all probably in denial or just plainly close minded....The right type of woman would most likely be the key to saving our country.
100% facts. This whole sub emphasizes the divide. They HATE ANYONE, KEY WORD HATE, that didn't vote the way they did. So here they come to be the very thing they love to hate. It's a sad state to be in, I almost feel sorry for them.
Only one side doesn't have extremists since the people labeled extremists in that side came from the other side and still hold almost all of the same values. That would make them moderates. There is no such thing as a moderate extremist, no matter how much the hateful party tries to make it so.
You're not that bright, are you? I never said there weren't extremists on both sides. The regime likes painting moderates as extremists, and you would comprehend that if you had the intellectual capacity higher than a first grader.
Jesus christ, the difference between a Trump voter and you is that a Trump voter is (at least) slightly dumber. We're all just scared people, most people are not "terrible" or "evil", they're just stupid.
Can't tell if they deleted or blocked me, but in response to a reply, bad results do not make a bad person, well meaning people do bad things but in this case they were stupid, well meaning people. If you're not an actual animal, intentions mean something, the average Republican is racist, do they hate people that look different than them or are they scared because they genuinely believe (for no reason, cause they're stupid) they're going do a damn great replacement and they've been told POC are lesser, and they believe it, they're stupid after all. More often than not it's the latter. Not to say Democrats are geniuses either though.
What people are scared about is what makes them good people, or terrible and evil.
Ted Cruz ran his way to a landslide victory against a Black man by running ads on transgendered women playing women's sports -- something that should be handled by an agency that ISN'T the federal or state government. Republicans fear people getting personal medical treatment to live their own personal lives in their own personal ways. That makes them bad.
Republicans do not fear abortion. They do not fear women needing an abortion because the pregnancy is ectopic. They do not fear women wanting an abortion because the father isn't in the picture and poverty will prevent the potential child from having a decent future. They do not fear anything about abortion. But they still voted to strip it, and still voted IN FAVOR or women dying because they cannot get MEDICALLY NECESSARY care.
Republicans in Ohio fear Haitian immigrants because they're racist. So they make up racist lies about what the immigrants are doing in their community. And when I confronted people with the actual police reports about the lies that unequivocally state IN THE SOURCE DOCUMENT that there is no evidence the Haitian immigrants are eating cats or dogs, I get new lies about how "well, that's the vibe around the town, and there must be a reason." The reason is that Republicans WANT to believe the lies, so they make up new ones to justify -- get this -- their pre-existing evil racism.
What they fear, and how they fear, are a reflection of whether they're terrible people. And guess what? Their fears reflect how terrible they are.
Democrats fear people falling into the poverty trap. They fear people needing to steal food in order to survive, and then going to prison because they couldn't eat. They fear people needing insulin being unable to receive insurance because they have a pre-existing condition. They fear women dying because they cannot get an abortion. They fear children dying in schools because we allow unfettered, near unrestricted access to machines that have only one purpose, which is to kill. They fear the overwhelming consensus of evidence that shows that human behavior is causing a global warming event that will threaten the entire agricultural yield (and lead to a famine of unimaginable magnitude) if not addressed.
Big differences in values here. What they genuinely believe is exactly why they are terrible people.
It isn't always fear, but it all boils down to a stupid belief. It's not hate, they aren't evil, they're just stupid. But fear encourages the stupid.
People don't fear trans people (mostly), they think we're weird, and have been told by their own people that the fact they're focusing on them is the other guys faults, and it's stopping them from getting actual help.
They don't fear abortion (mostly), but they want to advocate for SOMEONE, and fetuses are easy to advocate for. And again, they're dumb, it's easy to ascribe an evil to it, but the truth is they see innocence there and want to protect it, while "dirty single moms" are the evil ones.
They believe Haitians are eating cats and dogs. Like you can find any video of people going to springfield and asking citizens and you'll always have that one lady who's like "Yeah it's true, my mom saw it on facebook", that, is a Trump voter. They're stupid. The vast majority of people are not evil and that's even more dire than my dire view of the world that most people are bad at empathy and low on intteligence.
It's a simplified, naive, and incredibly dire view of the world to think nearly a third of the country is "just bad", when the truth isn't exactly optimistic either.
The truth is people are living their lives, they're hurting, and they are fed fucking slop at all hours of the day, being told why they're hurting by the people hurting them. And they just aren't very bright on top of that.
And Democratic politicians, as a group (there's good ones), are working for the exact same interests as the republicans, they're just performatively civil about it.
I think you have reasonable points and positions and are very clear about how you express them. I agree overall with how you have framed this. But I don't agree, and I don't think we will, and that's okay.
To me, it's like the "if ten people are sitting peacefully at a table and one of them is a Nazi, what do you have? Ten nazi's." kind of evil. If you're suffering, and your solution is to place suffering onto others, you're evil, even if you've fallen for a lie. At some point in the process, a person must either look around and realize they're causing others to suffer, or must come to terms with being evil.
And I think the evidence I have that points to evil is the discourse that I've engaged with online. The attack on fact checks. The casting aside of evidence. The lack of respect for sciences. If it were a problem with stupid, evidence would change their position. But I have never, ever, ever engaged in discourse with a Republican where evidence changed their minds. Not during COVID where the stakes were life and death. Not during the easily disproven cats and dogs fiasco. Not ever.
But overall, I feel your interpretation is more optimistic and I appreciate you sharing it with me. It's a very reasonable position, and I hope you're right.
Since you brought up Republican and Demecrat... It's a well-known fact and documented everywhere that the Democratic party is for division of race and religion. Has been that way since the civil war. A small amount of research is all it takes for the truth. Imo, people are more afraid of the truth than DJT. We have lost the ability to have civil conversations. One thing is for sure, if we as Americans don't come together, we will certainly fail.
A small amount of research will tell you all of those democrats are dead, and now democrats are the party of performative civility as opposed to the party of out and proud bigotry (cause you're too stupid to be ashamed)
So how did you come up with ( Trump voters are actually slightly dumber ? ) Wouldn’t be correct if I said democrats are actually slightly dumber because they get a majority of black voters ? But guess what the black voters are getting smarter as they are tired of being lied to by the democrats & media . That’s why more voted for Trump because he actually understands their issues.
Ah yes, half of a percentage of the country more than the other person, who was mediocre. Trump promised stupid shit, he promised shit though, so props to him there. But cool distinction I guess? Half of a percentage less than him that voted for the other shitty candidate are american voters too.
I voted for Trump
I also saved many lives and helped MANY more peeps 🐥 than Bobo on the south side of Chicago.
x many more years ,
I'm a white man 👨
Pretty sure I don't fit your narrative .
Does neurosurgery count in yer book 📖?
Mevermind ,
I don't live for yer approval either
Go ahead live a pioused life in the city , bet you can't
It's certainly not the majority of Americans, because Trump didn't get over 50% of the registered voters. And if you're going to blame someone, you need to blame the Democrats for not being able to get her the almost 7M more votes that Biden got in 2020. She lost of the state of Wisconsin by <30k votes and Michigan by <90k votes.
I wonder what it's like living in such a depressing imaginary reality. Hope you get the help you need but no the majority of Americans are not terrible people.
You’re values can be different and they not be terrible people. Values are a spectrum, and every person has a give and take of what they are comfortable with. It could just be that they didn’t like Harris as a candidate. It doesn’t make them a terrible person. It just makes them a person.
Unfortunately, values shape who you are as a person. Either good or bad. One example would be people who loot stores. They put no value on other peoples possessions or hard work. Thus, they act like animals.
It’s not always black and white like that. Sure in the case of looting it is. But not everything is that simple. People can have different values or views on certain issues that may not always align. That doesn’t mean they are a bad person.
Peoples actions define them. Their actions are reflection of their values. Granted, good people can make mistakes. But if those mistakes become a part of their routine, it is their value. that is what defines them. Good or bad.
Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that Americans voted for competence over bullshit.
She was a weak candidate who tried to rely on being a female and of color to get elected. Neither of those reasons are qualifying conditions for presidency.
No one is stopping you from buying a passport and going to a country that better represents your values since they clearly don’t entail making money, or prosperity.
I think a third world slum in Africa would fit your values perfectly.
Can I ask where you live? Because the good people in America that actually care about each other, the neighborly people, the mindful people, the ones that come to help their neighbors no matter what, that come to help their family no matter what. Those are the ones that voted for Trump, so I don't know what kind of stereotype you have in your narrow-minded hallway of a mind, but maybe you should go explore a little bit and realize what true America is about, the majority of Americans.
the ones that come to help their neighbors no matter what, that come to help their family no matter what.
Unless those neighbors are LGBTQ. Or black and "scary." The real America is full of crazies shooting people who get lost and try to turn around in their driveway. The real America is full of people who call the cops because an 8 year old black girl is walking suspiciously in their neighborhood. The real America is full of parents who post all day on Facebook about their children living in sin. You're delusional. You're comfortable with the hatred because it's not directed at you. You have no empathy for people who you don't know and you have less for people who don't look like you.
Yeah we have all of the people you singled out. And we're still here for each other. We respect each other we help each other and we don't talk about politics. Because we have way better shit to do than judge one another. Take a lesson.
That's a REALLY sad way to view humans. That same person who you think is terrible because they voted for Trump.....could be the very person that DOESNT GIVE A FLYING FUCK about who you voted for and saves your life.
Don't be the very thing you're supposed to be against. You want peace? Be a part of the peace. You want war? Keep up your fucking hatred going and be THE SAME THING YOU LOVE TO HATE.
So you're delusional and don't understand Reddit shadow banned.
How typical of the conservative mindset to fundmanetally misunderstand the platform they are using, and then screech into the void about how they're being oppressed.
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u/sunshades2 1d ago
This is how I've coped. I just guess the majority of Americans are terrible people and my values do not represent this country's values.