Yeah sounds about right - the Democrats are such utter losers who are incapable of anything that they let the election get stolen from under their noses. That's about what you'd expect from the least effective opposition political party in the western world.
Edit: To anyone down voting, I'm probably further left than you are but I also recognize that Trump coming into power again and the damage he will do to American democracy is largely the fault of the Democrats for failing to learn anything since 2016 as they consistently abandoned the working class and chased corporate interests.
Why do you think the GOP cheated? Coming as someone who voted harris, the dems had an awful four years, tried to cover up bidens mental decline, forced an objectively unpopular canidate down peoples throats, abandoned the working class and the left to parade "moderate republicans" like the freaking cheneys as allies to their cause, ignored peoples desperate pleas to stop arming isreal, i could go on. they lost bad and deserved to lose because they truly gave the finger to most regular americans, and continue to blame everyone but themselves for their falures.
Mabye, the democrats will learn from their mistakes this cycle, but i think they would rather let the nation fall to facisim then represent americans over the status quo and their corporate donors.
I noticed that Biden and Harris made the mistake of seeing how effective Trump was at swinging the masses to his side and starting to copy his behavior. What is effective on the MAGA crowd and most of the conservative crowd in general might also work on a small niche of liberals that I have come to calling 'Blue MAGA', but it only pushes the majority of liberals away.
This 'Blue Maga' will respond to this with the question 'Why should Democrats be held to higher standards than the Republicans' and while I can understand their frustration the answer is very simple: Because certainly not all, but a large enough group of Liberals to swing the election have standards, and Conservatives do not.
I think all the elections have been fair, the controversy around 2016 and 2024 was just the disinformation campaigns and Russian propaganda that influenced people. The physical counting of the ballots is fine.
How about we just audit every election and treat them like they are important since, oh I don’t know, we are electing the President of the premier super power of the world
None of the elections were rigged, there was massive disinformation and propaganda campaigns that slanted the results, but the physical counting of the ballots has never been an issue
Is that like 4 people? 10? 100? Or is 70% of them all, like the amount of Republicans who still believe the 2020 election was stolen? Or that bought Trump's lie that Obama wasn't born in the US?
70% that answered an anonymous poll doesn’t do anything for me. In case you didn’t realize after the election results… the polls are trash anyway. If polls were accurate we wouldn’t have an orange idiot incoming.
I used 5% to show you that a small group of extremists, can be a large number. The vocal extremists of the left on Reddit are bloodthirsty… I’m not saying that’s millions of people, but it’s substantial enough to warrant concern.
We have multiple different data points confirming the number is around 70%. The polls showed the election was close, it was. The results were within the few percentage point margin of error. They were accurate.
It doesn't really matter if the real number is 69% as one poll puts it, 70% as the CNN poll has it, or any of the other similar numbers.
Survey your own Facebook contacts on each side and then tell me that the number is remotely similar.
You're intentionally trying to muddy the waters about these things being remotely similar -- when they are definitely not. The only question is -- why are you doing that.
I don’t have Facebook. I’m not muddying the water, if anything using points from the 2020 election is just deflecting… we’re in 2024 now… not sure what the benefit of obsessing over 2020 is.. unless whataboutism is your main strategy.
lol I don’t believe 2020 was rigged. I also don’t agree with Jan 6th. But to say the left doesn’t turn to violence when it disagrees with something is a a joke
So Minneapolis was burned down huh? Is it just gone now then? Seemed fine when I went there earlier this year.
Also should go without saying that perhaps not everybody participating in the chaos were doing so because of George Floyd.
And logically of course the George Floyd killing happened in Minneapolis, so of course a majority of the protests would have happened there anyways, so do you have other examples of cities that were "burned down"?
Interesting. Why? To learn something? Or to try to find some way to avoid accepting reality? You will move heaven and earth to avoid accepting reality. Just like you did with the election results. Do you see how you are proving my point?
We know not just how many voted. We know WHO they were. The list of voters is public information. The campaigns even use it during the election to try to get out the vote of people they think will be their voters.
If, as you imply, tens of millions of voters were fake, which voters were they? Surely, out of tens of millions, you can list who some of these fake voters were.
Just more nonsense. They know it is nonsense, but feed it to gullible people. That's just the way to get poor people to vote for billionaire's interests, like you did.
You're trying to make an argument without being held accountable for said argument.
Spit it out. Stop hiding.
By the way, you are wrong. It is not "tens of millions". It's about 9 million fewer people voted. And there are obvious answers as to why that is, if you really cared. But, you don't. You're just parroting the talking points that were fed to you by your media masters. That's why you all say the same thing, without looking at the underlying reality.
67 voting locations in battleground states received bomb threats.
56 of them were in democratic counties that had previously elected Biden.
Wont even touch on the fact that they came from russian email domains. But when you hear actual election interference vs "it was rigged! M-m-mail in ballots!" And Trump attempting to rescind the Voters Rights Act during his term...
I do not see that kind of attempt to sway the election from democrats. I see that almost exclusively from the right. Im willing to hear out credible examples, though
PA attempting to count votes they were ordered not to count is one but I don’t think either 2020 or 2024 was rigged. The bomb threats didn’t seem to keep anyone away either as it’s the 2nd highest amount of votes in history. That doesn’t make them ok though and I hope they determine who did it and they face consequences if it’s not Russia
It isn't rigged and has never been rigged. But you don't have to rig an election to win, just spend hundreds of millions on propaganda and disinformation.
I think both sides have started to cheat over the last several decades. That's.. not impossible you know? There's a lot of ways to cheat in an election. Still, ethics are at stake either way. I dont support either side cheating in an election, to clarify.
That’s cute, you probably think those morons mounted an “iNsUrReCtiOn” when in reality, it was just a bunch of gullible buffoons who bought into Nancy Pelosi’s grand scheme.
Trump told them to do it, not Nancy Pelosi. Trump still maintains he won in 2020. His moronic followers still believe him too, because that's easier than admitting he is a liar and that he lost 😂
And there’s hard video evidence of Pelosi admitting that she orchestrated January 6th. Not saying those idiots didn’t play right into her hands, but she planned and executed the whole charade.
Actually false. This election had the largest Democratic Party turned Republican Party vote in history. Previously Blue states and counties turned purple and nearly all swing states became Red. Biggest SWITCH in history, as in Of All Time.
There's two likely possibilities:
Everyone just DIDN'T want Kamala, anything was better than her (in their eyes)
Republican Party practiced voter fraud and the election was miscounted
Everyone just DIDN'T want Kamala, anything was better than her (in their eyes)
Not everyone. But a huge chunk of all american voters will not vote for a woman, let alone a minority woman.
I don't know why anyone disagrees with this. You can make good arguments for the leftists and pro-gaza people not voting for her for cut-off-my-nose reasons. But all the assholes who voted for Biden but then said "I think the economy matters and Trump is better?"
Lies. They wouldn't vote for a woman.
Some people tried to convince me that her being elected VP means that isn't the case. Lol. There are 25 female senators. Only 1/3 of the house. If a president nominated a woman to be the 5th woman on the Supreme Court, there would be a fucking uproar.
The rust belt states TWICE refused to vote for a woman over trump.
Some guy who phone banked for Harris said over and over people mentioned how America just isn't ready for a woman. But no one in the media conversation is claiming that's the issue?
No one is gonna convince me that good 'ol American misogyny wasn't the real motivating factor behind most of the switched votes.
And ignoring that means we're just fucking ourselves for the future.
Edit: I have been informed that because there are women who voted for Trump, that misogyny did not cause kamala to lose. And with that, I'll ask anyone under the age of 12 to please not bother replying anymore, I don't have time to deal with that level of ignorance.
Its seriously insane that people like you don't get it. A male version of HRC would have all those votes PLUS the assholes who wouldn't vote for a woman (just like HRC).
Its possible that more people liked HRC. Both women would have won the EC without misogyny effects.
The liberals did vote. Its the rest of their voting base that weren't convinced. The liberal part of their voting base is getting smaller and smaller, thats why they tried to court the "moderate republicans" like the cheneys in a pathetic attempt to hold power without representing anybody with even slightly left wing views.
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u/Medium_Depth_2694 1d ago
Also the gop cheated.