r/AskReddit Jul 13 '15

What socially unacceptable things are you OK with?

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u/ameis314 Jul 14 '15

Why if they were already public?

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

Ours (University) are in the newspaper once a year, every year, in a big table.

It's an interesting day. Top administration and sports are waaaay overpaid.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

Most "popular" sports (well...football & basketball) at big universities bring in boatloads of cash. It only becomes a problem if the university doesn't have the funds to support the academic departments and diverts cash hopelessly towards sports instead. If spending a couple million on coaches generates tens of millions more revenue for academic use, I'm cool with that. The more popular the team, the more money is made on licensing, and that's where the big money lies. Upfront sales from sporting events (tickets, food, parking, etc...) is only a small fraction of it.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

Nope!

Only 7 universities in the US have sports programs in the black, counting sports merchandise. the vast majority suck money, land and time. Some terrifyingly so.

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u/Nolano Jul 14 '15

Well I'll be damned. Our football coach is one of the highest paid public employees in the country, I always assumed it was a huge money sink, but apparently we have the most profitable college sports in the country. Til

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u/_Bones Jul 14 '15

maybe I'm reading that wrong, but doesn't that say the top ten, at least, are in the black? How does the subsidies column factor in?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 17 '15

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 15 '15

Because subsidies are, but should not, be counted as revenue.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 17 '15

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

My concern is with their financial relationship relative to the university budget as a whole, for which the subsidy column is the important one; excess revenue doesn't make it back into the general fund very often.

Accounting in different ways, analyses have come up with numbers such as "10" or "22" financially profitable NCAA teams; still the vast minority.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 15 '15 edited Jul 15 '15

The subsidy column is based on their financial relationship to the university; e.g. how much money they take from education.

Further, they should not be able to claim the subsidy as revenue when attempting to justify their subsistence.

The sports money, predominantly, only flows out of the general fund and not in; this means that, relative to the university, all but 7 are in the red.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

If you think that women's sports cost more than a drop in the bucket compared to a Coach+Assistant Coach salary, you did not read the breakdowns in detail.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15 edited Aug 10 '16

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

Yes! One of the most interesting things about universities, as opposed to some other entities, is how money moves between departments. The tuition needs to be distributed to appropriately pay the teachers.

While they are paying "list" price for the student's education, that often doesn't meet the costs, and another student could often fill the same seat for more revenue.

Though at the (many) schools where athletics takes a cut of every student's tuition, this means that they are paying themselves money in a weird roundabout way.

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u/BilllyMayes Jul 14 '15

Don't some schools have boosters that really prop up the program? Especially in the South (SEC especially)?

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

Boosters?

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u/Forty-Three Jul 14 '15

Boosters are people or organizations that donate money to a sports program, along with other things like organize fundraisers or other things to help out the local teams.

For example one of the bigger ones is Paul Bryant Jr, son of Bear Bryant of the University of Alabama. Paul Jr has given 10s of millions of dollars of his own money along with raising over $100M for the school's sports programs.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

The universities I decry dip into the general fund, or more directly tuition, to make ridiculous ends meet.

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u/BilllyMayes Jul 14 '15

Also Alumni groups.

I know at Arkansas the Waltons and Broyles have poured a lot of money into the athletics program.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

It only becomes a problem if the university doesn't have the funds to support the academic departments and diverts cash hopelessly towards sports instead.

University of Oklahoma student here and... sigh

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u/baumpop Jul 14 '15

RIP stoops.

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u/GrapeSuccess Jul 14 '15

Yeah. It was the same 16 years ago too. I'm sure tuition has gone up to cover his salary.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

Sports contribute to the product students are paying for. Campus landscaping doesn't make money for the school either but no one thinks that shouldn't be paid for.

There's a reason people go to a university instead of devry.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

Sports contribute to the product students are paying for

There's a reason people go to a university instead of devry.

You're right, MIT's football team is top notch!

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u/Forty-Three Jul 14 '15

I know that's a joke but MIT actually just went undefeated this season in DIII

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

If you don't like d1 Athletics feel free to go to a school without them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

Oh thanks for the clarification. I only want to watch sports and don't want an education, so I guess universities like Ohio State, Georgia Tech or Notre Dame provide low tier education and top tier sports for someone like me! After all, with enrollment of 60k+, no one would go to a university like Ohio State for the academics...football is life!

Enough sarcasm (since you didn't understand my previous comment). If you choose a university solely for watching sports, sorry, but you're a fucking moron. The whole point of college is an education. The experience is an aspect of it, but education should be your number one priority, otherwise you're wasting money. TV and the internet exists for watching your favorite teams.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15

The people who care about sports should fund sports by watching them. Don't steal from every students tuition (or taxes/muni bonds) to pad the wallets of a few rich men and sustain a insolvent business.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '15

Should every department of a university be required to maintain a profit? should the art department? The theater department? Should all these only subsist on the tuition of those who take the courses?

How about museums and libraries often maintained by universities? Should a Library show they have enough usage by all the students in order to stay open?

How about dorms-- often subsidized by the university at large; should residence fees be raised so they can cover the cost of the dorm completely?

Athletics provides an opportunity for students who might not have otherwise been able to to attend a university. It provides an intangible benefit to some of the students, just like a statue on campus would. If you disagree with how some of the money flows (to coaches and whatnot), that's fine. But to attack the concept of collegiate athletics just because you do not get a tangible benefit from it is selfish and absurd. I never took a theater class nor did I attend a play, but I don't complain that part of my tuition paid for the building of the theater.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 15 '15

Athletics is fundamentally different from Academics. It has no place here, historically, practically or rationally.

The argument from scholarship funds is inherently flawed because the money that now goes to athletics could easily subsidize students more likely to succeed, or simply lower tuition, and thus one of the major barriers to higher learning, for all.

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u/UniAdept Jul 14 '15

Sports is revenue generating at my institution. Administration i might give you, but equivalent executives (size wise) in companies make more.

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u/ClintonCanCount Jul 14 '15 edited Jul 14 '15

Mine too, barely, but we are in the overwhelming minority.

The best explanation I have heard is, the main job of a university president is to talk rich people into giving the university ludicrous amounts of money. If he can't talk a board of rich people into giving him ludicrous amounts of money, he is not as good.

Our prez here at purdue cheated by appointing the board before they chose him, but he is an awful human who hates us all, hates free speech, and wants to fire the faculty.

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u/cyrilspaceman Jul 14 '15

Because most people don't realize it's public and never bothered to look it up.

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u/chassity003 Jul 14 '15

Not OP, but I'm assuming the salaries are updated all at once. So when they were updated, everyone had a bad couple of weeks.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

Yes, and a pie is delicious but are you gonna make one?

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u/ThePletch Jul 14 '15

That's a horrible example. Of course I am. I made one yesterday.

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u/ameis314 Jul 14 '15

I have no idea what you're talking about

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '15

It's available to be gotten, not a click away. While people might be curious it does takes a bit of effort which means it's effectively not available, given people's propensity to be lazy.