David Attenborough has just asked everyone to go plant based on Planet Earth III

[u/effortDee]

Attenborough "if we shift away from eating meat and dairy and move towards a plant based diet then the suns energy goes directly in to growing our food.

and because that is so much more efficient we could still produce enough to feed us, but do so using just a quarter of the land.

This could free up the area the size of the United States, China, EU and Australia combined.

space that could be given back to nature."

[u/effortDee]

Look in to Payment for Environmental Services in Costa Rica.

They had 27% of their land as native forest and natural habitats in the 1970s.

They paid farmers to stop farming animals (mostly) and instead, grow native forests and rewild the land.

By the year 2000, that number went up to 54% of their entire landmass was native forest.

And farmers right now are the biggest welfare group on the planet, in the UK we pay them on average £33k a year in subsidies (they lose approx £16k a year because animal-farming is a loss across the board).

We simply continue to pay the farmers subsidies to rewild, simples.

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That’s terrific, how about the other 300 countries?

[u/effortDee → u/[deleted]]

I'm in Wales, half the size of Costa Rica, we were once about one quarter temperate rainforest and the rest was mostly broadleaf woodland.

My lifes mission is to try and rewild at least half of this country and take it from the 2.5% native forest we are now, to at least 50%+

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Terrific goal, does it have favor in popular political parties or is it more quiet? I’m always envious of citizens of small nations, all I’m empowered to do for forests is maintain the land I own. My property is about half hay for animal ag and half forest. It takes all the time and energy I have available just to grow a modest garden plot. Instead of some more trees, we get milk. Capitalist mega-cheap global supply chain meats are the major problem, we don’t have to all go full vegan for the planet. There are a thousand paths to a better average diet and better overall land use.

[u/effortDee → u/[deleted]]

We do have to 100% go vegan for the planet.

"Without Changing Diets, Agriculture Alone Could Produce Enough Emissions to Surpass 1.5°C of Global Warming" https://www.wri.org/insights/without-changing-diets-agriculture-alone-could-produce-enough-emissions-surpass-15degc

Study finds that all dietary patterns cause more GHG emissions than the 1.5 degrees global warming limit allows. Only the vegan diet was in line with the 2 degrees threshold, while all other dietary patterns trespassed the threshold partly to entirely. https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/21/14449

The natural world is in complete freefall and we need to rewild every last inch because biodiversity is collapsing around us.

In terms of your other question, Plaid Cymru have their feet in animal-farming, deep in it, family members and such.

Farmers here are anti-rewilding even though we are one of the worlds worst countries for biodiversity.

It's going to be a long and massive slog, but hopefully the younger generation can see the older generation fucked up our environment and natural world and get angry about it.

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You more or less lied here about the results from the second link. From the abstract:

“The vegan, vegetarian, and diet with low animal-based food intake were predominantly below the 2 degrees threshold.”

We could agree all day on less meat per person, more local diet, better availability of high quality produce (etc.) but you just want to bang the vegan drum!

[u/effortDee → u/[deleted]]

No I didn't those quotes are taken directly out of the study in the conclusion and why they are in quotes.

So instead of accepting the facts, you slander me and the research I show which proves we need to go vegan.

Local is wrong:

https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

"There is rightly a growing awareness that our diet and food choices significantly impact our carbon “footprint”. What can you do to really reduce the carbon footprint of your breakfast, lunches, and dinner? “Eating local” is a recommendation you hear often – even from prominent sources, including the United Nations. While it might make sense intuitively – after all, transport does lead to emissions – it is one of the most misguided pieces of advice.
Eating locally would only have a significant impact if transport was responsible for a large share of food’s final carbon footprint. For most foods, this is not the case.
Greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from transportation make up a very small amount of the emissions from food, and what you eat is far more important than where your food traveled from."

PS, this is another "quote" that i haven't lied about, because its a copy and paste from the actual link.

Go vegan and stop making excuses and even worse, claiming others are lying.

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I don’t want to eat a local diet to reduce my ‘carbon footprint’, I want to live in a place and get my food from that place. We have different goals for food, both concerned about reducing the impact of human consumption but you’re stuck on vegan screaming into the void. It’s been real.

[u/HeKnee → u/effortDee]

Is wales a country now?

[u/bungleprongs → u/HeKnee]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wales

I've linked the simple wiki, just so you don't get overwhelmed by easily accessible information

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It doesn't HAVE to go back to actual wild nature. Just disincentivizing the meat industry would a massive step forward